Zoom H4N Line Input

[Pete Cofrancesco]

Originally Posted by Seth Bloombaum

One thing you should know - live sound operators vary greatly in the gain structure they use. More often than not, this will mean that they do not use the board's meters at all.

What this means to you is... although the mixer is nominally a +4 device, you may be seeing -20db peaks, or less.

Unless the operator came from a recording background...

Just be aware this varies widely, and include some time in your plan for you to adapt as needed to the op's practices. Use your headphones on the H4n during setup, best to be there for sound check to set your levels.

Yeah it didn't work,it was too hot and distorted and unusable, just like I thought. I have a pad/attenuator but like I explained its an inline xlr which the h4n will only do mic not line.

[David W. Jones]

The correct formula would be...
Mixer +4 line out / 15 dB pad / XLR to 1/4" TRS / -10 line in to H4N.

All the Best!

[Pete Cofrancesco]

I'm thinking about getting an ART AVDirect
Anyone use one of these or a similar converter? I like the flexibility as long as it can convert a hot line signal to a mic level.

I'm also looking at Whirlwind IMP2 it has a 1/4 out.

[Martin Doppelbauer]

I had a H4n for a couple of weeks and also did some testing of the input levels.
See here for details: Field recorder harmonics
Hope this helps.
Martin

[Pete Cofrancesco]

Originally Posted by Martin Doppelbauer

I had a H4n for a couple of weeks and also did some testing of the input levels.
See here for details: Field recorder harmonics
Hope this helps.
Martin

Thanks, you confirmed what I suspected mainly the H4N can only handle consumer line level not professional. The cheapest way to address the problem is buying a converter that will reduce it down to mic level. But its rather annoying that a $300 recorder has 1/4" input that can't handle pro line level and that they don't document it, leaving the user to discover it on their own.

[David W. Jones]

Originally Posted by Pete Cofrancesco

Thanks, you confirmed what I suspected mainly the H4N can only handle consumer line level not professional. The cheapest way to address the problem is buying a converter that will reduce it down to mic level. But its rather annoying that a $300 recorder has 1/4" input that can't handle pro line level and that they don't document it, leaving the user to discover it on their own.

Pete, in all fairness the specs on the H4N have been well documented.
They have been discussed on-line, and a simple google search will pull up many threads on the subject,
as well as on page 147 of your user manual.

By going into the H4N via Mic level, you are adding the H4N Mic Pre's back into the equation.
The solution which will give you the cleanest signal path would be to remain at line level from your source to your H4N, and use a simple pad to match the impedance levels.
The cheapest way to do this... soldering iron/resisters.

A more elegant solution is to buy a couple of In-Line Pads with Selectable Attenuation.
I use a pair with 15, 20, 25 db selectable pad.
Now just add a couple of XLR to TRS adapters, and you have a professional quality level matching solution that you can use in many situations for years to come.

All the Best!

[Pete Cofrancesco]

thx david.

You're right its in the back of the manual but they don't go out of their way to explain it in layman's terms. I get the feeling they intended the 1/4 inputs for musical instruments such as a guitar or keyboard and not for plugging into electronic devices and sound boards. They also don't make it clear the xlr inputs are only for mic level.

Your other point, I already ordered the converter box but I just put in an order for xlr to 1/4 cables so I'll be able to connect my inline pad/attenuator like you suggested.