Sound Help on Concert Video at DVinfo.net

Chad Solo · May 7th, 2005, 05:33 PM

I just got a Sony FX1 camera and I have been shooting my nephews band allot and the first problem I had was the bass just killed the sound so last night I turn the gain down a bit and that helped out allot. It still has allot of bass where I would like to bring the bass down a bit. I have the footage converted to DV and I have adobe Audition but I'm new using that app also. If anyone has any sugestions I would appreciate it. Soon I will be buying and external mic but for now I have to leave with this one.

Thank's
Chad

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 7th, 2005, 07:26 PM

If the bass is too loud, then what you're hearing is a fairly accurate representation of what the band sounds like wherever the mic is sitting. A new mic won't fix this.
You can use the tools in Audition to semi-repair the loud bass, but beyond that, you won't be able to do much. The better option is to wear good headphones that isolate, and find a place in the room where you're not hearing so much bass.

Chad Solo · May 9th, 2005, 05:01 AM

Am I able to use the direct feed from the sound board with this camera and if so what would I need? Someone asked me the other night If I can do that a direct feed to my camera. Thank's for any info you all can give.

Chad

Alex T. Hurter · May 12th, 2005, 08:35 AM

I have rigged up a MD recorder to a sound board and then synced the sound with the the kickdrum when the band was warming up.

I'm going to try experimenting with a wireless mic transmitter and receiver next.

The only downside to going right into the soundboard is you miss a lot of the crowd sound, depending on the genre of music this might be important for you to have. I know it's the case with most punk rock and hardcore music fans, they want to feel like they were at the show. If you want to see what I have been able to get with a GL2 using the onboard mic with the attenuator on check this out
http://zed.cbc.ca/go?POS=4&CONTENT_I...LTER_KEY=76886

Jeff Mack · May 12th, 2005, 11:33 AM

Wow, the first time I can give an intelligent answer! I do the same thing that you do - record music. It is absolutely necessary to record off of the board if you want the video's audio to not be too hot. I've tried many different ways to solve this problem with mic placement but for $200 for a recording sound card, all of your problems go away! I started with a Delta 44. http://www.midiman.com/products/en_us/Delta44-main.html You can get it at any guitar center and it usually comes with SoundForge - an audio editing software. The problem is that Soundforge is only a 2 track editing system. The sound you take off the board thogh would only need two tracks - stereo from the main out. The good news is that Vegas 6 supports editing multitracks on the same timeline as your video. You can replace the video's audio with the audio out of the board mix. If you don't want to bring your computer to the gig, you can invest in a cd recorder and then your sound card might be able to accept a digital input. In any regard, you'll never get good sound consistently out of your camera mic. Hope this helps.
Jeff

Randy Chambers · May 18th, 2005, 04:59 PM

Yo group & Jeff,

Jeff and I worked on a project together aboard a cruise ship with 8 artists and 3 cameras this past January. BTW Jeff, did you run through the last DVD I sent you with the mixed board sound on it?

Using the audio recorded off the soundboard, 24 tracks mixed down by the engineer, it was pristine in sound and head and shoulders over any "Live" Mic arrangement I have heard.

Having said that, with no crowd Mic's, it was erie when a song was finished and there was nada, none, zero crowd noise.

Being there and editing with the sound tracks from the original footage I of course knew there was from gratuitous to wild applause after every number. I ended up having to bring in the crowd reaction from the original on camera Mic's to complete the effect.

In one performance the XL1 was clipping terrible and the GL2 was turned to manual and completely turned down, the other camera was AWOL for this performance. I had to add canned applause from various sound effects libraries I have and it worked out O.K.

Sounds like you are getting it on with your new Z1 Jeff, let me know if there are any upcoming projects you need another operator for.

Randy Chambers

May 7th, 2005, 05:33 PM	#1
Chad Solo Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: St.Petersburg,Fla Posts: 162	Sound Help on Concert Video I just got a Sony FX1 camera and I have been shooting my nephews band allot and the first problem I had was the bass just killed the sound so last night I turn the gain down a bit and that helped out allot. It still has allot of bass where I would like to bring the bass down a bit. I have the footage converted to DV and I have adobe Audition but I'm new using that app also. If anyone has any sugestions I would appreciate it. Soon I will be buying and external mic but for now I have to leave with this one. Thank's Chad

May 7th, 2005, 07:26 PM	#2
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	If the bass is too loud, then what you're hearing is a fairly accurate representation of what the band sounds like wherever the mic is sitting. A new mic won't fix this. You can use the tools in Audition to semi-repair the loud bass, but beyond that, you won't be able to do much. The better option is to wear good headphones that isolate, and find a place in the room where you're not hearing so much bass. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

May 12th, 2005, 11:33 AM	#5
Jeff Mack Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 195	Too much Bass Wow, the first time I can give an intelligent answer! I do the same thing that you do - record music. It is absolutely necessary to record off of the board if you want the video's audio to not be too hot. I've tried many different ways to solve this problem with mic placement but for $200 for a recording sound card, all of your problems go away! I started with a Delta 44. http://www.midiman.com/products/en_us/Delta44-main.html You can get it at any guitar center and it usually comes with SoundForge - an audio editing software. The problem is that Soundforge is only a 2 track editing system. The sound you take off the board thogh would only need two tracks - stereo from the main out. The good news is that Vegas 6 supports editing multitracks on the same timeline as your video. You can replace the video's audio with the audio out of the board mix. If you don't want to bring your computer to the gig, you can invest in a cd recorder and then your sound card might be able to accept a digital input. In any regard, you'll never get good sound consistently out of your camera mic. Hope this helps. Jeff

May 18th, 2005, 04:59 PM	#6
Randy Chambers Tourist Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Arlington TX Posts: 2	Yo group & Jeff, Jeff and I worked on a project together aboard a cruise ship with 8 artists and 3 cameras this past January. BTW Jeff, did you run through the last DVD I sent you with the mixed board sound on it? Using the audio recorded off the soundboard, 24 tracks mixed down by the engineer, it was pristine in sound and head and shoulders over any "Live" Mic arrangement I have heard. Having said that, with no crowd Mic's, it was erie when a song was finished and there was nada, none, zero crowd noise. Being there and editing with the sound tracks from the original footage I of course knew there was from gratuitous to wild applause after every number. I ended up having to bring in the crowd reaction from the original on camera Mic's to complete the effect. In one performance the XL1 was clipping terrible and the GL2 was turned to manual and completely turned down, the other camera was AWOL for this performance. I had to add canned applause from various sound effects libraries I have and it worked out O.K. Sounds like you are getting it on with your new Z1 Jeff, let me know if there are any upcoming projects you need another operator for. Randy Chambers Last edited by Randy Chambers; May 18th, 2005 at 07:15 PM.

May 9th, 2005, 05:01 AM	#3
Chad Solo Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: St.Petersburg,Fla Posts: 162	Am I able to use the direct feed from the sound board with this camera and if so what would I need? Someone asked me the other night If I can do that a direct feed to my camera. Thank's for any info you all can give. Chad

May 12th, 2005, 08:35 AM	#4
Alex T. Hurter Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 94	I have rigged up a MD recorder to a sound board and then synced the sound with the the kickdrum when the band was warming up. I'm going to try experimenting with a wireless mic transmitter and receiver next. The only downside to going right into the soundboard is you miss a lot of the crowd sound, depending on the genre of music this might be important for you to have. I know it's the case with most punk rock and hardcore music fans, they want to feel like they were at the show. If you want to see what I have been able to get with a GL2 using the onboard mic with the attenuator on check this out http://zed.cbc.ca/go?POS=4&CONTENT_I...LTER_KEY=76886