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Mike Grohowski · April 1st, 2005, 06:45 PM

I have a GL 1. I have the Beachtek DX 6. I have the Behringer MBX 1002 mixer and a Sennheiser ME64 with K6 mic. The way I have it setup now is:
Mic XL2 to Mixer. A y cable 1/4 phone to XLR Plug (left and right channel phone plug into a single XLR Cable) from the output from the mixer to the XLR input of the Beachtek. Then the beachtek mini plug into the GL1.

Is that the best way to do it?

Any suggestions on the Best Behringer MBX 1002 settings?

Jay Massengill · April 4th, 2005, 07:36 AM

You shouldn't be using a Y cable from the mixer to the BeachTek.
You should use two standard 1/4-inch TRS to XLR male cables, connected between the mixer's main outs and the BeachTek inputs.
Read the manuals for the mixer and the BeachTek to determine proper operation for your situations.

Mike Grohowski · April 4th, 2005, 08:08 AM

That's the problem - neither the mixer or the beachtek have good manuals. What is TRS?

Jay Massengill · April 4th, 2005, 08:18 AM

That stands for Tip, Ring, Sleeve. It's the standard connector for a balanced 1/4-inch plug that has three conductors. These three conductors carry a single balanced audio signal to the XLR male connector's three pins. You would use two of these cables to carry the mixer's left and right main output to the BeachTek's left and right inputs. Set the BeachTek to "Stereo".
Set the Pan control on the input of the Behringer where your mic is plugged in to determine which channel or channels of the camera it goes to.
Definitely read the section in the Behringer manual about setting the input trim control.

Mike Grohowski · April 4th, 2005, 08:28 AM

The 1/4 Phone Cables I have do have Ring and Sleeve written on the cable. One of the Y Cables says Ring and the other says Sleeve (I think in that order - don't have it in front of me). What is strange is the left output isnt putting out a signal - just the right... When you say input trim control - are you talking the gain?

Jay Massengill · April 4th, 2005, 08:48 AM

The Y cable isn't for this application at all. That's what's causing your problems. You need two separate cables that are wired for carrying standard balanced mono audio.
Yes, gain is what I was calling trim. Behringer refers to that control as gain.

Mike Grohowski · April 7th, 2005, 08:54 AM

I figured the stereo signal would be taken from the Y Cable into the 1/4 phone plug cable in stereo - obviously not.

What is the purpose of a Y Cable?

Also - this is along the lines of what you are talking about... I have a stereo system. I have a Sony Headset. I stick the Headset 1/4 plug directly into the Stereo and I get Stereo. If I stick the 1/4 plug of the headset into a 1/4 patch cable that then goes into the stereo - I got sound in only one side of the headset.
Question - as you sound like you know what you are talking about:
1. How come this happens - I would think stereo going in, same plug - stereo coming out.
2. How can I use a patch cable (I need the length) so I get stereo...

Jay Massengill · April 7th, 2005, 01:03 PM

There are three different types of audio here that use the same kind of connector.
A stereo connection uses 3 conductors to carry two different signals (Left and Right) and a shared ground connection.
A balanced mono connection also uses 3 conductors, but they are carrying a positive copy of a mono signal, a negative copy of the same mono signal and a ground connection.
A "Y" cable is for an additional type of hookup where the 3 conductors are used for carrying an output on one conductor, an input on the other and a shared ground on the third.
The three systems don't work directly together even though they are included in the same device, like an audio mixer for example, and use the same style connector. Each has its own separate function.

Mike Grohowski · April 7th, 2005, 01:07 PM

Ok - you are speaking a little over my head on this...
So, is a 1/4 Phono plug a mono or a stereo cable?
Basically it's a 25 ft cable that goes between the stereo receiver and my headphones - but the volume now coming to my headphones is mono. When I take the cable out and plug the headset right into the stereo its stereo.. Question are all 14/ phone plugs mono or can you get a stereo? I bought it from B&H and it didnt state which one...

Jay Massengill · April 7th, 2005, 01:34 PM

If the 1/4-inch phone connector only has two conductors, it's got to be mono. If it has three conductors, then it has to be one of the 3 examples I wrote in my last reply, which can be either mono or stereo or input/output. So it depends on how the cable is wired and what you're connecting it to on each end.

Mike Grohowski · April 7th, 2005, 01:42 PM

Any way to tell which one it is?

Problem with buying from B&H - on some of the cables - they dont tell you.

Jeremy Davidson · April 7th, 2005, 01:46 PM

It sounds like the Y cable you have is designed for a stereo to dual-mono conversion. Since your mixer probably already has separate left and right outputs, you don't need this. Also, this Y cable is not balanced. Hide it somewhere so you won't be tempted to use it.

I couldn't find the MBX1002 on Behringer's website to confirm its setup, but I think this is the wiring design that you're looking for:

1. Plug the ME64/K6 mic into the mixer via an XLR cable.
2. Find two separate cables with a single 1/4" TRS connector on one end and a single XLR connector on the other.
3. Plug one of these into the 1/4" Left Out on the mixer and the XLR Left In on the Beachtek.
4. Plug the other into the 1/4" Right Out on the mixer and the XLR Right In on the Beachtek.

I'm curious, though. Why not just plug the K6 mic right into the Beachtek directly?

Telling mono from stereo: If it has two silver/gold areas on the end (including the tip), it's definitely unbalanced mono.

I can see how this could be confusing -- hang in there and you'll eventually get it.

Mike Grohowski · April 7th, 2005, 01:52 PM

The website for my mixer is:
http://www.behringer.com/MXB1002/index.cfm?lang=ENG

The reason why I dont plug the mic right into the beachtek is because the mixer can increase the volume and I have more control over the sound. It sounds better than just putting the mic right into the beachtek.

Jeremy Davidson · April 7th, 2005, 01:56 PM

Thanks for the mixer link. I think this is the cable that Jay was originally referring to:

XLR Male to 1/4" TRS Male Cable
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=296874&is=REG

Notice in the picture how the 1/4" end has three silver areas and two white stripes (insulators). You would use two of these cables to go from the mixer's outputs to the Beachtek.

The key here is that it's a mono 1/4" **TRS** cable, which implies that it's balanced.

Jay Massengill · April 7th, 2005, 03:41 PM

Look on page 6 of your Behringer manual, it gives detailed descriptions and pictures of the connectors we're talking about and how the different signals are carried.

April 1st, 2005, 06:45 PM	#1
Mike Grohowski New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17	GL 1 and soundsetup I have a GL 1. I have the Beachtek DX 6. I have the Behringer MBX 1002 mixer and a Sennheiser ME64 with K6 mic. The way I have it setup now is: Mic XL2 to Mixer. A y cable 1/4 phone to XLR Plug (left and right channel phone plug into a single XLR Cable) from the output from the mixer to the XLR input of the Beachtek. Then the beachtek mini plug into the GL1. Is that the best way to do it? Any suggestions on the Best Behringer MBX 1002 settings?

April 4th, 2005, 08:08 AM	#3
Mike Grohowski New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17	Thanks for Info That's the problem - neither the mixer or the beachtek have good manuals. What is TRS?

April 7th, 2005, 08:54 AM	#7
Mike Grohowski New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17	Quick Question I figured the stereo signal would be taken from the Y Cable into the 1/4 phone plug cable in stereo - obviously not. What is the purpose of a Y Cable? Also - this is along the lines of what you are talking about... I have a stereo system. I have a Sony Headset. I stick the Headset 1/4 plug directly into the Stereo and I get Stereo. If I stick the 1/4 plug of the headset into a 1/4 patch cable that then goes into the stereo - I got sound in only one side of the headset. Question - as you sound like you know what you are talking about: 1. How come this happens - I would think stereo going in, same plug - stereo coming out. 2. How can I use a patch cable (I need the length) so I get stereo...

April 7th, 2005, 01:07 PM	#9
Mike Grohowski New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17	A bit hazy Ok - you are speaking a little over my head on this... So, is a 1/4 Phono plug a mono or a stereo cable? Basically it's a 25 ft cable that goes between the stereo receiver and my headphones - but the volume now coming to my headphones is mono. When I take the cable out and plug the headset right into the stereo its stereo.. Question are all 14/ phone plugs mono or can you get a stereo? I bought it from B&H and it didnt state which one...

April 7th, 2005, 01:42 PM	#11
Mike Grohowski New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17	Hwo to tell? Any way to tell which one it is? Problem with buying from B&H - on some of the cables - they dont tell you.

April 4th, 2005, 07:36 AM	#2
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	You shouldn't be using a Y cable from the mixer to the BeachTek. You should use two standard 1/4-inch TRS to XLR male cables, connected between the mixer's main outs and the BeachTek inputs. Read the manuals for the mixer and the BeachTek to determine proper operation for your situations.

April 4th, 2005, 08:18 AM	#4
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	That stands for Tip, Ring, Sleeve. It's the standard connector for a balanced 1/4-inch plug that has three conductors. These three conductors carry a single balanced audio signal to the XLR male connector's three pins. You would use two of these cables to carry the mixer's left and right main output to the BeachTek's left and right inputs. Set the BeachTek to "Stereo". Set the Pan control on the input of the Behringer where your mic is plugged in to determine which channel or channels of the camera it goes to. Definitely read the section in the Behringer manual about setting the input trim control.

April 4th, 2005, 08:28 AM	#5
Mike Grohowski New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17	The 1/4 Phone Cables I have do have Ring and Sleeve written on the cable. One of the Y Cables says Ring and the other says Sleeve (I think in that order - don't have it in front of me). What is strange is the left output isnt putting out a signal - just the right... When you say input trim control - are you talking the gain?

April 4th, 2005, 08:48 AM	#6
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	The Y cable isn't for this application at all. That's what's causing your problems. You need two separate cables that are wired for carrying standard balanced mono audio. Yes, gain is what I was calling trim. Behringer refers to that control as gain.

April 7th, 2005, 01:03 PM	#8
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	There are three different types of audio here that use the same kind of connector. A stereo connection uses 3 conductors to carry two different signals (Left and Right) and a shared ground connection. A balanced mono connection also uses 3 conductors, but they are carrying a positive copy of a mono signal, a negative copy of the same mono signal and a ground connection. A "Y" cable is for an additional type of hookup where the 3 conductors are used for carrying an output on one conductor, an input on the other and a shared ground on the third. The three systems don't work directly together even though they are included in the same device, like an audio mixer for example, and use the same style connector. Each has its own separate function.

April 7th, 2005, 01:34 PM	#10
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	If the 1/4-inch phone connector only has two conductors, it's got to be mono. If it has three conductors, then it has to be one of the 3 examples I wrote in my last reply, which can be either mono or stereo or input/output. So it depends on how the cable is wired and what you're connecting it to on each end.

April 7th, 2005, 01:46 PM	#12
Jeremy Davidson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 167	It sounds like the Y cable you have is designed for a stereo to dual-mono conversion. Since your mixer probably already has separate left and right outputs, you don't need this. Also, this Y cable is not balanced. Hide it somewhere so you won't be tempted to use it. I couldn't find the MBX1002 on Behringer's website to confirm its setup, but I think this is the wiring design that you're looking for: 1. Plug the ME64/K6 mic into the mixer via an XLR cable. 2. Find two separate cables with a single 1/4" TRS connector on one end and a single XLR connector on the other. 3. Plug one of these into the 1/4" Left Out on the mixer and the XLR Left In on the Beachtek. 4. Plug the other into the 1/4" Right Out on the mixer and the XLR Right In on the Beachtek. I'm curious, though. Why not just plug the K6 mic right into the Beachtek directly? Telling mono from stereo: If it has two silver/gold areas on the end (including the tip), it's definitely unbalanced mono. I can see how this could be confusing -- hang in there and you'll eventually get it. __________________ There's no way for you to know if what I'm saying is true unless you know what the truth is, and there's no way for you to know what the truth is unless there is a truth that you can know. -- Frank Peretti

April 7th, 2005, 01:52 PM	#13
Mike Grohowski New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17	Here is the site The website for my mixer is: http://www.behringer.com/MXB1002/index.cfm?lang=ENG The reason why I dont plug the mic right into the beachtek is because the mixer can increase the volume and I have more control over the sound. It sounds better than just putting the mic right into the beachtek.

April 7th, 2005, 01:56 PM	#14
Jeremy Davidson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 167	Thanks for the mixer link. I think this is the cable that Jay was originally referring to: XLR Male to 1/4" TRS Male Cable http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=296874&is=REG Notice in the picture how the 1/4" end has three silver areas and two white stripes (insulators). You would use two of these cables to go from the mixer's outputs to the Beachtek. The key here is that it's a mono 1/4" TRS cable, which implies that it's balanced. __________________ There's no way for you to know if what I'm saying is true unless you know what the truth is, and there's no way for you to know what the truth is unless there is a truth that you can know. -- Frank Peretti

April 7th, 2005, 03:41 PM	#15
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	Look on page 6 of your Behringer manual, it gives detailed descriptions and pictures of the connectors we're talking about and how the different signals are carried.