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Kent Fraser · September 16th, 2009, 03:08 PM

Hey there-

We've got a unique recording situation we're considering and wanted to bounce it off you folks. We produce radio programs featuring interviews with ordinary people from a certain ethnic group. Most of these folks tend to be pretty quiet when speaking and will often look down or away when speaking. So, years ago we decided to use a cardoid condensor headset mic (Shure WH30). The mic is always in the same position relative to the mouth and within a couple of minutes everyone forgets they have it on. It's worked great.

Now, we would like to capture some of these interviews on video. However, we don't want to do two separate interviews (one for audio, the other for vid). It's been our experience that it's really not possible to capture the same emotions and responses in the second interview. So we need to do them both at once.

Our problem is with this particular headset mic - a great solution for radio, but not video. It's pretty obvious because of it's size. But we can't compromise on the sound quality because radio is the main thing.

We are considering a more discreet headset mic and shooting from the opposite angle of the mic. But we want to hear from you.

1. Are any of you doing something like this... or know of someone who does?
2. How would you approach this?
3. Do you have any mics you would recommend for this situation?

Thanks!

Steve House · September 16th, 2009, 05:16 PM

Countryman E6 earset mic?

Greg Bellotte · September 16th, 2009, 09:24 PM

MM Audio - The Next Generation of Pro Audio Equipment

VERY comparable to the Countryman E6/E6i. A LOT less money. very pretty on camera too.

Les Nagy · September 16th, 2009, 09:37 PM

I ordered and received three of these:
MM Audio - The Next Generation of Pro Audio Equipment

The ones I received were noisy, so noisy that I couldn't reliably tests their tone compared to the ME2s that came with my Sennheiser G2 units, nor with my MT830mw mics from Audio Technica. So I have sent them back and the company has promised me a refund. I don't know if the ones they sent me were from a bad batch but they were unusable for me.

Andrew Smith · September 16th, 2009, 10:09 PM

Kent,

I've also got a radio background and my overriding question is whether there is any benefit of going to video for this sort of content?

There really needs to be something more than "talking head" for it to be worthwhile. So many times I have wished there was a "just listen to the audio" option on YouTube as this would incidentally save on my internet bandwidth.

In the end, it's the content that counts.

Andrew

Kent Fraser · September 19th, 2009, 07:38 AM

I understand the liability of trying to do video on a radio project. Our interest isn't in producing an entire video project off of one of these interviews, but rather to have a camera rolling for that "once in a while" priceless moment that can be used in other productions... supporting other forms of content that we're producing. We're pretty settled on this. So we're trying to get some advice on how best to do it.

Technically, we're trying to keep the ambient noise minimal... so a directional headset mic is preferred. I know that's really thinning out the options. That's why I'm asking. :o)

Seth Bloombaum · September 19th, 2009, 11:16 AM

Back to Steve's suggestion, the Countryman E6i sets the standard for small headset mics, in my experience.

A mic of this type isn't directional, so much as it depends on proximity to the source to reduce ambient sound pickup. In this, it's nothing like an omni lav, even though if you took each apart you'd be looking at much the same electronics.

Proximity in this case means an inch or an inch and a half. Followers of the math of the inverse-square law will recognize that this means tremendous gain.

In my experience, this is the only mic other than a handheld dynamic cardoid or supercardoid that can be easily used in front of speakers for PA work.

Street price about $300, well worth it. One of my clients has 4 of them, they really do sound great.

Note that the mic cable system is detachable - about $50 will get you from XLR output to TA3, TA4, Hirose, 3.5mm, these mics are used with many wireless systems as well as wired.

Kent Fraser · September 19th, 2009, 11:31 AM

Just to clarify, are your saying that the with the E6i I wouldn't have to worry about excess ambient noise like I would an Omni lav?

Thanks all for the input.

Kent

Paul R Johnson · September 19th, 2009, 12:10 PM

Short booms would easily do what you need, and shot from the other side would be invisible - the best solution would be a single sided over the ear mount - you don't need to spend huge amounts of money, either. This is a UK supplier, but I'm sure you can find similar ones.

PULSE|MIC-1000J|MICROPHONE, EARHOOK 3.5MM JACK | CPC

you also need a power supply - these kind of mics normally get powered by a radio pack, but this gadget does the same job - and can be used to power most small condenser mics.
CANFORD ELECTRET MICROPHONE ADAPTER 3.5mm jack

Jordan Block · September 19th, 2009, 01:39 PM

Countryman's E6i is a good directional headset.

Don Xaliman · September 19th, 2009, 03:36 PM

Theatrically speaking, it could be very interesting to pick up some antique headset mics, revitalize the mic and use them as functional props.
No sense hiding a good joke.

:)

Seth Bloombaum · September 19th, 2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kent Fraser

Just to clarify, are your saying that the with the E6i I wouldn't have to worry about excess ambient noise like I would an Omni lav?

Yes. The proximity of the mic to the mouth gives the E6i *much* better performance than an omni lav in terms of pickup of ambient noise.

John Saunders · September 20th, 2009, 08:44 AM

If you have the money I prefer the DPA 4066 omni and the 4088 cardiod headsets over the e6 mics. They are dual ear design which means that they don't move around as much. I always have issues getting the e6 mics to stay in place when the same mics get used on different talent. And after a while the ear piece gets kinked and misshapen. I also have had the connection at the ear peice of an e6 come loose during a live television show, after that I try not to use them if I can help it. I own both of the DPA mics and they sound and look great. The omni sounds better if you can go with it but in loud enviroments the cardiod does well.

The down side of the mics is that they are expensive. Like $500-600.

DPA Microphones :: Products

September 16th, 2009, 03:08 PM	#1
Kent Fraser Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 75	Headset Microphone Hey there- We've got a unique recording situation we're considering and wanted to bounce it off you folks. We produce radio programs featuring interviews with ordinary people from a certain ethnic group. Most of these folks tend to be pretty quiet when speaking and will often look down or away when speaking. So, years ago we decided to use a cardoid condensor headset mic (Shure WH30). The mic is always in the same position relative to the mouth and within a couple of minutes everyone forgets they have it on. It's worked great. Now, we would like to capture some of these interviews on video. However, we don't want to do two separate interviews (one for audio, the other for vid). It's been our experience that it's really not possible to capture the same emotions and responses in the second interview. So we need to do them both at once. Our problem is with this particular headset mic - a great solution for radio, but not video. It's pretty obvious because of it's size. But we can't compromise on the sound quality because radio is the main thing. We are considering a more discreet headset mic and shooting from the opposite angle of the mic. But we want to hear from you. 1. Are any of you doing something like this... or know of someone who does? 2. How would you approach this? 3. Do you have any mics you would recommend for this situation? Thanks!

September 16th, 2009, 05:16 PM	#2
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	Countryman E6 earset mic? __________________ Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!

September 19th, 2009, 11:16 AM	#7
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Back to Steve's suggestion, the Countryman E6i sets the standard for small headset mics, in my experience. A mic of this type isn't directional, so much as it depends on proximity to the source to reduce ambient sound pickup. In this, it's nothing like an omni lav, even though if you took each apart you'd be looking at much the same electronics. Proximity in this case means an inch or an inch and a half. Followers of the math of the inverse-square law will recognize that this means tremendous gain. In my experience, this is the only mic other than a handheld dynamic cardoid or supercardoid that can be easily used in front of speakers for PA work. Street price about $300, well worth it. One of my clients has 4 of them, they really do sound great. Note that the mic cable system is detachable - about $50 will get you from XLR output to TA3, TA4, Hirose, 3.5mm, these mics are used with many wireless systems as well as wired. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

September 16th, 2009, 09:24 PM	#3
Greg Bellotte Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 291	MM Audio - The Next Generation of Pro Audio Equipment VERY comparable to the Countryman E6/E6i. A LOT less money. very pretty on camera too.

September 16th, 2009, 09:37 PM	#4
Les Nagy Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: A Canadian in Canada, and sometimes Chile Posts: 265	I ordered and received three of these: MM Audio - The Next Generation of Pro Audio Equipment The ones I received were noisy, so noisy that I couldn't reliably tests their tone compared to the ME2s that came with my Sennheiser G2 units, nor with my MT830mw mics from Audio Technica. So I have sent them back and the company has promised me a refund. I don't know if the ones they sent me were from a bad batch but they were unusable for me.

September 16th, 2009, 10:09 PM	#5
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,068	Kent, I've also got a radio background and my overriding question is whether there is any benefit of going to video for this sort of content? There really needs to be something more than "talking head" for it to be worthwhile. So many times I have wished there was a "just listen to the audio" option on YouTube as this would incidentally save on my internet bandwidth. In the end, it's the content that counts. Andrew

September 19th, 2009, 07:38 AM	#6
Kent Fraser Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 75	I understand the liability of trying to do video on a radio project. Our interest isn't in producing an entire video project off of one of these interviews, but rather to have a camera rolling for that "once in a while" priceless moment that can be used in other productions... supporting other forms of content that we're producing. We're pretty settled on this. So we're trying to get some advice on how best to do it. Technically, we're trying to keep the ambient noise minimal... so a directional headset mic is preferred. I know that's really thinning out the options. That's why I'm asking. :o)

September 19th, 2009, 11:31 AM	#8
Kent Fraser Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 75	Just to clarify, are your saying that the with the E6i I wouldn't have to worry about excess ambient noise like I would an Omni lav? Thanks all for the input. Kent

September 19th, 2009, 12:10 PM	#9
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,046	Short booms would easily do what you need, and shot from the other side would be invisible - the best solution would be a single sided over the ear mount - you don't need to spend huge amounts of money, either. This is a UK supplier, but I'm sure you can find similar ones. PULSE\|MIC-1000J\|MICROPHONE, EARHOOK 3.5MM JACK \| CPC you also need a power supply - these kind of mics normally get powered by a radio pack, but this gadget does the same job - and can be used to power most small condenser mics. CANFORD ELECTRET MICROPHONE ADAPTER 3.5mm jack

September 19th, 2009, 01:39 PM	#10
Jordan Block Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 67	Countryman's E6i is a good directional headset.

September 19th, 2009, 03:36 PM	#11
Don Xaliman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 96	Theatrically speaking, it could be very interesting to pick up some antique headset mics, revitalize the mic and use them as functional props. No sense hiding a good joke. :)

September 20th, 2009, 08:44 AM	#13
John Saunders Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Frederick MD Posts: 69	If you have the money I prefer the DPA 4066 omni and the 4088 cardiod headsets over the e6 mics. They are dual ear design which means that they don't move around as much. I always have issues getting the e6 mics to stay in place when the same mics get used on different talent. And after a while the ear piece gets kinked and misshapen. I also have had the connection at the ear peice of an e6 come loose during a live television show, after that I try not to use them if I can help it. I own both of the DPA mics and they sound and look great. The omni sounds better if you can go with it but in loud enviroments the cardiod does well. The down side of the mics is that they are expensive. Like $500-600. DPA Microphones :: Products