Okay, now I'm REALLY confused! :)

Linda Schodowsky · July 14th, 2004, 09:04 PM

Nope...

I've been well taken care of! Thanks much though.

Just gotta get a sock and mount. Found something on the 'net about using air conditioning filter for a sock... some other stuff too... for now.

As for a mount... I'll probably looking at velcro or rubberbands... in the meantime.

Too much money spent... hubby is pissed (or will be when he sees my creditcard bill... $100 over what I told him I would spend).

Sigh...

Bryan Beasleigh · July 14th, 2004, 09:22 PM

The K-tek KSSM with the soft rubber is the best shock mount for a short, light mic and about the most cost effective.

KSSM

the KSM and KSSM come in an economy configuration without the second angle adjustment. I've attached the link to K-Teks price list. You'll do better at Trew or B&H.

K-Tek price list

The standard mount is $135 and the economy (without the second adjustable knuckle) is $85 and available with a dual angle 3/8 thread (K-DA-SSM) or a hot shoe mount(K-CAM-SSM)

Linda for your current need, I'd say the economy with the shoe mount would be the most effective. Don't forget to ask for the soft rubber mount. There is a big difference, the soft mount is perfect and was developed for the CS-1.

Linda Schodowsky · July 15th, 2004, 08:48 AM

Thanks Bryan!

For now, I will have to improvise. Got some ideas in the meantime... velcro, rubberbands. Velcro I can get at Jo-Ann Fabrics, or other places like that. Later on down the road I will take your suggestions and put them to use.

David Ruether has good suggestions regarding homemade windsocks, etc. On the web. can't think of the site. Funny, he mentions dvinfo.net. I don't see him as a member though.

Thanks again!

Linda Schodowsky · July 16th, 2004, 05:33 PM

Okay Oktava Guys...

I am using velcro strips in place of a shock mount til I get enough cash going again. Actually... it works well. I got a strip- about 1 " wide and 4" long on the Oktava. I put the matching strip right on top of the vx2000 mic. I then added 3 thick rubberbands for extra security. That'll work for now.

Windsock... I don't know if I can luck out as much finding a good substitute so I am probably going to have to get one before I get the shock mount. The wind is DEFINITELY an issue with this mic. It is VERY sensitive**

Matt... I read your writeup on the Rycote and Windtech. Good information. I probably would lean more towards the Windtech due to the fact that I have 4 cats and anything with fur or resembling fur gets quickly demolished or licked to death! I've been doing research and haven't reached any decision yet. Let me know what you guys think.

**The mic is great! It is so sensitive, it picked up the sound of my cat scratching himself, about 5 feet away from the mic.

Thanks again...

Bryan Beasleigh · July 16th, 2004, 09:06 PM

Try sandwiching a piece of hard foam between the on camera mic and the Oktava.

Jay Massengill · July 16th, 2004, 10:10 PM

A hotshoe to mic-thread adapter is also pretty cheap, $10 to $14 for a ready made one, less if you put together some parts from a camera store and a music store.
That wouldn't be a true shockmount, but it would allow you to use the clip that comes with the mic. And you could instantly remove it from the camera.
I'm going to have to order some wind protection soon, but for temporary use on interiors I'm using a screen from a mini-shotgun that came standard on an older camera. Any screen that goes on a mic that's 19mm in diameter will work. This includes lots of non-handheld Audio Technica's and other skinny mics. Even if it's from a long-shotgun, you can razor off a section from the front of 2 to 3 inches. This won't get you beyond a light breeze, but it's better than having the mic totally bare.

Linda Schodowsky · July 16th, 2004, 10:22 PM

Thanks Bryan and Jay -

I will invest in a good shockmount soon. I thought it would be easier to substitute a windscreen... wrong! I didn't realize how sensitive this mic is. I've been messing a bit with foam from old sony walkman earphones. Kind of hard to work with. In the meantime...

What kind of windscreens are you looking at? I would probably not want to go over $50 at the MOST.

Glenn Chan · July 17th, 2004, 01:14 AM

Strange idea:
On the BBC Online training site they recommend you use a condom on your mic when it's raining. I was thinking... would this work ok for wind too? (other than the looking really stupid part).

Strange idea 2:
Windscreens can be made with light meshy fabric (kinda like pantyhose). Would putting a similar material over the mic work ok?

Jay Massengill · July 17th, 2004, 09:05 AM

Do a search of the board here for Oktava and you'll get a lot of info on a wide variety of regular foam, two-piece foam and Baby Ball Gag mini spherical zeppelins and their relative effectiveness and costs.
There's a pretty thick screen available fairly cheap:
http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=SG%2D200&off=50
The SG-200 is of course still too long but you could easily cut it down to a 2 1/2 inch length.
This foam still wouldn't be as effective as the more costly units under high wind and it would probably cut the mic's high frequency response a lot under indoor conditions. I guess you could call it a cheap solution that would split the difference for all situations.

Linda Schodowsky · July 17th, 2004, 10:49 AM

Thanks Glenn and Jay..

Glenn... hmm... verry interesting. Don't know about the condom though. ;) I am working on something today... taking the foam off of my crappy Sony mic. It maybe a bit snug though. Also will do some sewing from old sock material. Like I said... I don't want to improvise too long.

Jay... I originally did a search so I more thoroughly reviewed all the posts and have come up with some other possiblities from Windtech Thanks for the website... I'll be checking that out also.

Bruce S. Yarock · July 18th, 2004, 07:56 AM

Matt- You mention the K-tek shockmount .Could you give me the model number for on camera mounting the Oktava? ( I looked on B+H and they have several models).
Thanks
Bruce Yarock

Matt Gettemeier · July 18th, 2004, 10:17 AM

Here's the K-Tek mount that Beas and I both like:

Click HERE for the mount.

Then you need a hot-shoe adapter to mount it to your cam:

Click HERE for the adapter.

I used a short piece of 3/8" stud to join them... or run a half inch long 3/8" bolt through the top. You may want to tell the guys at Trew that you want to use that mount for on-cam. They're so helpful that I'll bet they can set it up for you to be totally ready to go out of the box. Sometimes it's amazing at the service you get for litterally just a few extra dollars.

Jay Massengill · July 19th, 2004, 06:39 AM

I got a better look at the actual specs of a series of larger foam windscreens that I mentioned in a previous post.
The SG-1 screen would be the correct internal diameter for the Oktava. You'd still have to chop it down to the correct length, but the fit would be correct and it's a cheap, thick foam for those on a budget. They are also less expensive at B&H than Markertek.

July 14th, 2004, 09:22 PM	#32
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	The K-tek KSSM with the soft rubber is the best shock mount for a short, light mic and about the most cost effective. KSSM the KSM and KSSM come in an economy configuration without the second angle adjustment. I've attached the link to K-Teks price list. You'll do better at Trew or B&H. K-Tek price list The standard mount is $135 and the economy (without the second adjustable knuckle) is $85 and available with a dual angle 3/8 thread (K-DA-SSM) or a hot shoe mount(K-CAM-SSM) Linda for your current need, I'd say the economy with the shoe mount would be the most effective. Don't forget to ask for the soft rubber mount. There is a big difference, the soft mount is perfect and was developed for the CS-1. __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ".......holy smokin rubber lips...what a ride!"

July 16th, 2004, 05:33 PM	#34
Linda Schodowsky Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berea, Ohio Posts: 139	Okay Oktava Guys... Okay Oktava Guys... I am using velcro strips in place of a shock mount til I get enough cash going again. Actually... it works well. I got a strip- about 1 " wide and 4" long on the Oktava. I put the matching strip right on top of the vx2000 mic. I then added 3 thick rubberbands for extra security. That'll work for now. Windsock... I don't know if I can luck out as much finding a good substitute so I am probably going to have to get one before I get the shock mount. The wind is DEFINITELY an issue with this mic. It is VERY sensitive Matt... I read your writeup on the Rycote and Windtech. Good information. I probably would lean more towards the Windtech due to the fact that I have 4 cats and anything with fur or resembling fur gets quickly demolished or licked to death! I've been doing research and haven't reached any decision yet. Let me know what you guys think. The mic is great! It is so sensitive, it picked up the sound of my cat scratching himself, about 5 feet away from the mic. Thanks again...

July 16th, 2004, 09:06 PM	#35
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Try sandwiching a piece of hard foam between the on camera mic and the Oktava. __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ".......holy smokin rubber lips...what a ride!"

July 14th, 2004, 09:04 PM	#31
Linda Schodowsky Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berea, Ohio Posts: 139	Nope... I've been well taken care of! Thanks much though. Just gotta get a sock and mount. Found something on the 'net about using air conditioning filter for a sock... some other stuff too... for now. As for a mount... I'll probably looking at velcro or rubberbands... in the meantime. Too much money spent... hubby is pissed (or will be when he sees my creditcard bill... $100 over what I told him I would spend). Sigh...

July 15th, 2004, 08:48 AM	#33
Linda Schodowsky Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berea, Ohio Posts: 139	Thanks Bryan! For now, I will have to improvise. Got some ideas in the meantime... velcro, rubberbands. Velcro I can get at Jo-Ann Fabrics, or other places like that. Later on down the road I will take your suggestions and put them to use. David Ruether has good suggestions regarding homemade windsocks, etc. On the web. can't think of the site. Funny, he mentions dvinfo.net. I don't see him as a member though. Thanks again!

July 16th, 2004, 10:10 PM	#36
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	A hotshoe to mic-thread adapter is also pretty cheap, $10 to $14 for a ready made one, less if you put together some parts from a camera store and a music store. That wouldn't be a true shockmount, but it would allow you to use the clip that comes with the mic. And you could instantly remove it from the camera. I'm going to have to order some wind protection soon, but for temporary use on interiors I'm using a screen from a mini-shotgun that came standard on an older camera. Any screen that goes on a mic that's 19mm in diameter will work. This includes lots of non-handheld Audio Technica's and other skinny mics. Even if it's from a long-shotgun, you can razor off a section from the front of 2 to 3 inches. This won't get you beyond a light breeze, but it's better than having the mic totally bare.

July 16th, 2004, 10:22 PM	#37
Linda Schodowsky Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berea, Ohio Posts: 139	Thanks Bryan and Jay - I will invest in a good shockmount soon. I thought it would be easier to substitute a windscreen... wrong! I didn't realize how sensitive this mic is. I've been messing a bit with foam from old sony walkman earphones. Kind of hard to work with. In the meantime... What kind of windscreens are you looking at? I would probably not want to go over $50 at the MOST.

July 17th, 2004, 01:14 AM	#38
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Strange idea: On the BBC Online training site they recommend you use a condom on your mic when it's raining. I was thinking... would this work ok for wind too? (other than the looking really stupid part). Strange idea 2: Windscreens can be made with light meshy fabric (kinda like pantyhose). Would putting a similar material over the mic work ok?

July 17th, 2004, 09:05 AM	#39
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	Do a search of the board here for Oktava and you'll get a lot of info on a wide variety of regular foam, two-piece foam and Baby Ball Gag mini spherical zeppelins and their relative effectiveness and costs. There's a pretty thick screen available fairly cheap: http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=SG%2D200&off=50 The SG-200 is of course still too long but you could easily cut it down to a 2 1/2 inch length. This foam still wouldn't be as effective as the more costly units under high wind and it would probably cut the mic's high frequency response a lot under indoor conditions. I guess you could call it a cheap solution that would split the difference for all situations.

July 17th, 2004, 10:49 AM	#40
Linda Schodowsky Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berea, Ohio Posts: 139	Thanks Glenn and Jay.. Glenn... hmm... verry interesting. Don't know about the condom though. ;) I am working on something today... taking the foam off of my crappy Sony mic. It maybe a bit snug though. Also will do some sewing from old sock material. Like I said... I don't want to improvise too long. Jay... I originally did a search so I more thoroughly reviewed all the posts and have come up with some other possiblities from Windtech Thanks for the website... I'll be checking that out also.

July 18th, 2004, 07:56 AM	#41
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Matt- You mention the K-tek shockmount .Could you give me the model number for on camera mounting the Oktava? ( I looked on B+H and they have several models). Thanks Bruce Yarock

July 18th, 2004, 10:17 AM	#42
Matt Gettemeier Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 936	Here's the K-Tek mount that Beas and I both like: Click HERE for the mount. Then you need a hot-shoe adapter to mount it to your cam: Click HERE for the adapter. I used a short piece of 3/8" stud to join them... or run a half inch long 3/8" bolt through the top. You may want to tell the guys at Trew that you want to use that mount for on-cam. They're so helpful that I'll bet they can set it up for you to be totally ready to go out of the box. Sometimes it's amazing at the service you get for litterally just a few extra dollars.

July 19th, 2004, 06:39 AM	#43
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	I got a better look at the actual specs of a series of larger foam windscreens that I mentioned in a previous post. The SG-1 screen would be the correct internal diameter for the Oktava. You'd still have to chop it down to the correct length, but the fit would be correct and it's a cheap, thick foam for those on a budget. They are also less expensive at B&H than Markertek.