Need to increase the speech volume of video at DVinfo.net

Ken Olson · August 6th, 2009, 12:01 AM

I have a video of my grandmothers life story years ago. Of course this was many years ago, before I had learned that I should have used a separate microphone. In a few places in the video others in the room make comments that come in loud.

So I need to filter out the background hiss, increase her volume and then lower the louder voices.

Sample clip here
http://www.genesisresource.com/ken/S...lumeSample.wmv

Perhaps one of the following programs that I have could be used?
Sony Vegas v9 (I'm familiar with volume envelopes)
Sony Sound Forge v8
CyberLink PowerDirector v7
Audacity
Ulead MediaStudio Pro v8 Audio Editor

Thank you.

Ken

Jon Fairhurst · August 6th, 2009, 12:47 AM

Regarding the hiss, Sound Forge 9.0 was the first of that line to include noise reduction.

You might check out Gold Wave. It has noise reduction. You can download a trial, which will probably do your whole project. The purchase price is only $50.

Make sure to edit a copy of the original, as Sound Forge and Gold Wave do destructive editing. (A save overwrites the file.)

For massaging the volume, I love using envelopes in Vegas. A quick way to normalize volume is with compression. A good trick for voiceovers is to double the track, compress one VERY hard, and leave the second track uncompressed or lightly compressed.

The heavily compressed track will be very even and full, but will sound dull and lifeless. Adding the original or lightly compressed track has sparkle, but can be thin and uneven. By combining the two, you get the best of both worlds.

Of course, this is a special project, so you'll probably be happy to adjust the volume word by word with the envelope. This will give the best results without pumping and other compression artifacts.

After you've hand tweaked the volume, the result might still sound thin. EQ can help. The 300 Hz area is the fundamental. That adjusts the body of the voice. The 1 kHz area is where the consonants live. Boost that for intelligibility. The 2.5 kHz area gives character. If the voice is nasal, push this down. If its dull and flat boost it up. From 5-15 kHz we get air and sparkle (and hiss.)

Next, you can add fullness by mixing in a small amount of a heavily compressed track. It adds fullness to vowels without adding boominess. Try 20:1 and -25 dB as the settings on the crushed track.

In case the original recording had clipping or distortion, Sound Forge has some tools for dealing with that. You would want to apply that up front, right after the noise reduction.

BTW, don't be too aggressive with the noise reduction. NR can produce an underwater, warbly sound, depending on the noise.

Best of luck!!!

Ken Olson · August 7th, 2009, 12:15 AM

Wow, thank you Jon for such a detailed reply and so quickly!

You've given me a lot to play with. There's over 100mins of video so I have a lot of work to do manipulating the volume.

I stumbled across this on YouTube, any comments?
YouTube - remove unwanted noise from audio / video Audacity Sony Vegas

I'll post a progress report here when I have something worth while.

Thank you again!

Ken

Don Bloom · August 7th, 2009, 05:21 AM

you actually might be able to fix this without going outside of Vegas. Maybe.

Go to the track header, go to Track EQ, run the audio and try each of the numbers (1 thru 4) and make running adjustments. Nothing is destructiveand you can go to 'default' to get it all back to where you started.
For example when I use either of my cameras there is a preamp hum (PD150/170).Either shotgun or hypercaroid, no matter.
I have a preset I did on the Track EQ that eliminates the hum but doesn't change the tenor of the audio itself.

I used to use a NR program and while it did a good job this is so much easier.
Try it, you might like it.

Jon Fairhurst · August 7th, 2009, 11:02 AM

Ken,

The audacity example is similar to what you would do in Sound Forge 9 or Gold Wave. In SF9, you highlight the noise area, click "capture noiseprint" and play it. You get to see the frequency of the noise, and can make a small number of adjustments. You can see the results here: 5. Canon 5D Mark II Audio Exposed - Noise on Vimeo

In Gold Wave (use it something like 50 times for free; purchase for $50), you highlight the noise, press Ctrl-C (copy), then choose "from clipboard" to set the noise print.

I haven't used Audacity, but the quality of GoldWave rivals that of SF9.

Ken Olson · August 28th, 2009, 10:40 PM

Jon, I'm finally getting around to trying this. I have Gold Wave Pro (SuperEZ Wave Editor Pro) trial installed. I've highlighted a small region, pressed the Ctrl+C, then opened the Noise Reduction Effect window. My problem is that I don't see the Preset "from clipboard" anywhere.

Jon Fairhurst · August 29th, 2009, 12:33 PM

On my version, you highlight the noise, copy (Ctrl-C) the noise sample, select the entire range that you want to affect, then open the menu Effect | Filter | Noise Reduction. In the "Reduction Envelope" area, there's a selection for...

( ) Use Shape
( ) Use Current Spectrum
( ) Use Average
(*) Use Clipboard

Best of luck!

Ken Olson · August 29th, 2009, 01:01 PM

Looks like I must have a different version. Any idea what settings to use?

August 6th, 2009, 12:01 AM	#1
Ken Olson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 92	Need to increase the speech volume of video I have a video of my grandmothers life story years ago. Of course this was many years ago, before I had learned that I should have used a separate microphone. In a few places in the video others in the room make comments that come in loud. So I need to filter out the background hiss, increase her volume and then lower the louder voices. Sample clip here http://www.genesisresource.com/ken/S...lumeSample.wmv Perhaps one of the following programs that I have could be used? Sony Vegas v9 (I'm familiar with volume envelopes) Sony Sound Forge v8 CyberLink PowerDirector v7 Audacity Ulead MediaStudio Pro v8 Audio Editor Thank you. Ken

August 6th, 2009, 12:47 AM	#2
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Regarding the hiss, Sound Forge 9.0 was the first of that line to include noise reduction. You might check out Gold Wave. It has noise reduction. You can download a trial, which will probably do your whole project. The purchase price is only $50. Make sure to edit a copy of the original, as Sound Forge and Gold Wave do destructive editing. (A save overwrites the file.) For massaging the volume, I love using envelopes in Vegas. A quick way to normalize volume is with compression. A good trick for voiceovers is to double the track, compress one VERY hard, and leave the second track uncompressed or lightly compressed. The heavily compressed track will be very even and full, but will sound dull and lifeless. Adding the original or lightly compressed track has sparkle, but can be thin and uneven. By combining the two, you get the best of both worlds. Of course, this is a special project, so you'll probably be happy to adjust the volume word by word with the envelope. This will give the best results without pumping and other compression artifacts. After you've hand tweaked the volume, the result might still sound thin. EQ can help. The 300 Hz area is the fundamental. That adjusts the body of the voice. The 1 kHz area is where the consonants live. Boost that for intelligibility. The 2.5 kHz area gives character. If the voice is nasal, push this down. If its dull and flat boost it up. From 5-15 kHz we get air and sparkle (and hiss.) Next, you can add fullness by mixing in a small amount of a heavily compressed track. It adds fullness to vowels without adding boominess. Try 20:1 and -25 dB as the settings on the crushed track. In case the original recording had clipping or distortion, Sound Forge has some tools for dealing with that. You would want to apply that up front, right after the noise reduction. BTW, don't be too aggressive with the noise reduction. NR can produce an underwater, warbly sound, depending on the noise. Best of luck!!! __________________ Jon Fairhurst

August 7th, 2009, 05:21 AM	#4
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	you actually might be able to fix this without going outside of Vegas. Maybe. Go to the track header, go to Track EQ, run the audio and try each of the numbers (1 thru 4) and make running adjustments. Nothing is destructiveand you can go to 'default' to get it all back to where you started. For example when I use either of my cameras there is a preamp hum (PD150/170).Either shotgun or hypercaroid, no matter. I have a preset I did on the Track EQ that eliminates the hum but doesn't change the tenor of the audio itself. I used to use a NR program and while it did a good job this is so much easier. Try it, you might like it. __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

August 7th, 2009, 11:02 AM	#5
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Ken, The audacity example is similar to what you would do in Sound Forge 9 or Gold Wave. In SF9, you highlight the noise area, click "capture noiseprint" and play it. You get to see the frequency of the noise, and can make a small number of adjustments. You can see the results here: 5. Canon 5D Mark II Audio Exposed - Noise on Vimeo In Gold Wave (use it something like 50 times for free; purchase for $50), you highlight the noise, press Ctrl-C (copy), then choose "from clipboard" to set the noise print. I haven't used Audacity, but the quality of GoldWave rivals that of SF9. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

August 28th, 2009, 10:40 PM	#6
Ken Olson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 92	Jon, I'm finally getting around to trying this. I have Gold Wave Pro (SuperEZ Wave Editor Pro) trial installed. I've highlighted a small region, pressed the Ctrl+C, then opened the Noise Reduction Effect window. My problem is that I don't see the Preset "from clipboard" anywhere. __________________ www.YouTube.com/keningilbert www.CaptainKen.us

August 7th, 2009, 12:15 AM	#3
Ken Olson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 92	Wow, thank you Jon for such a detailed reply and so quickly! You've given me a lot to play with. There's over 100mins of video so I have a lot of work to do manipulating the volume. I stumbled across this on YouTube, any comments? YouTube - remove unwanted noise from audio / video Audacity Sony Vegas I'll post a progress report here when I have something worth while. Thank you again! Ken

August 29th, 2009, 12:33 PM	#7
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	On my version, you highlight the noise, copy (Ctrl-C) the noise sample, select the entire range that you want to affect, then open the menu Effect \| Filter \| Noise Reduction. In the "Reduction Envelope" area, there's a selection for... ( ) Use Shape ( ) Use Current Spectrum ( ) Use Average (*) Use Clipboard Best of luck! __________________ Jon Fairhurst

August 29th, 2009, 01:01 PM	#8
Ken Olson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 92	Looks like I must have a different version. Any idea what settings to use? Attached Thumbnails __________________ www.YouTube.com/keningilbert www.CaptainKen.us