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Renton Maclachlan · June 8th, 2009, 02:16 AM

I want to be able to connect two Rode mics I have to the one video camera so as to give sterio sound. How do I go about this in the simplest, cheapest way?

Mario Vermunt · June 8th, 2009, 03:23 AM

That all depends on the connections on your camera. Most consumer cameras have a 3,5 mm stereo jackplug. (Semi)professional cameras have XLR connectors. The latter would be easy: just use two microphone cables. That you would have found out for yourself I guess, so I suppose you have the 3,5 mm jackplug in your camera.

In that case you have to check if your microphone needs phantom power or can be battery operated. If it is battery operated you can just buy a simple Y-cable that splits the stereo connection into two mono (left and right) connections. If not, you will need a phantom power unit or a mixing device with phantom power.

Let me know the type of camera and microphone for a more specific advice.

Renton Maclachlan · June 8th, 2009, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario Vermunt

That all depends on the connections on your camera. Most consumer cameras have a 3,5 mm stereo jackplug. (Semi)professional cameras have XLR connectors. The latter would be easy: just use two microphone cables. That you would have found out for yourself I guess, so I suppose you have the 3,5 mm jackplug in your camera.

In that case you have to check if your microphone needs phantom power or can be battery operated. If it is battery operated you can just buy a simple Y-cable that splits the stereo connection into two mono (left and right) connections. If not, you will need a phantom power unit or a mixing device with phantom power.

Let me know the type of camera and microphone for a more specific advice.

Thanks Mario.

The camera is a GS 500. It has a 3.5mm jack.
The Mics are a
- Rode VideoMic - Manual says power (Supplu voltage) is 9v battery, Current 5 mA
and a
- Rode NTG-2 - Manual says power is 1.5v (alkaline) or P48 Phantom

Trevor Meeks · June 8th, 2009, 05:33 AM

nope! not gonna happen unless you get a mixer or something that outputs to a 3.5mm jack or whatever input the camera has.

Mario Vermunt · June 8th, 2009, 06:12 AM

I do not agree. It is possible to connect both these mics to your camera using a Y-cable. You will have to have one custom made because one of the leads will have to be connected to the left channel of the 3,5 mm jack plug that goes into the camera and the other lead will have to got to the right channel.

But, and this is a big BUT, I would not advise two different mics to get a stereo sound. You should use two mics of the same type (e.g. two NTG-2 mics).

Graham Bernard · June 8th, 2009, 07:12 AM

or . . get one of these. Marvellous!

Rode Stereo Videomic - Proactive

Grazie

Mark Boyer · June 8th, 2009, 10:53 AM

You need to get on of the units from Beachtek:
Welcome to the new BeachTek website!

Curt Talbot · June 8th, 2009, 12:25 PM

Renton, if you want instructions for making your own pigtail, check out this thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/all-thing...-separate.html

I have made several and they work great with my VX2000.

Renton Maclachlan · June 8th, 2009, 11:45 PM

Thanks everybody for your thoughts. I'll have a go at that wiring Curt.

I don't really want to buy another mic and so I'll just have to mix them...

Taky Cheung · June 9th, 2009, 01:48 AM

This might work

Hosa YMM-261 1/8"TRS-2 1/8"TS Y Cable. Hosa YMM 261 1/8"TRS-2 1/8"TS Y Cable. Hosa YMM261 1/8"TRS-2 1/8"TS Y Cable.

Paul R Johnson · June 9th, 2009, 03:02 AM

I hate the word 'stereo' - if you have a stereo microphone, you have two matched mics, in one housing, and as an alternative you could have two identical mics mounted externally.

What most people end up with is two channel sound, and there's nothing wrong with that, apart from it not being stereo. Stereo sound is supposed to allow the listener to perceive locational information - like with a classical orchestra. You listen to the CD and can locate the violins, the violas, cellos and basses - and then pick out the instruments in the desks behind. Or - identify the position of the players in a big band, or make a drum kit seem 20 feet wide! Early stereo Beatles recordings were two channel, not stereo, despite the labels, with very hard panning of the sources because of equipment limitations of the day.

Real stereo for video is difficult. Use the orchestral example above. On the wide shot it works, but focus on the flute, full frame - where should it's sound go? or should it stay in the same place?

If you have different types of microphones, stereo is wierd. With different mics in a spaced pair configuration, or an X/Y setup (usually what one-piece mics do) their different frequency response introduces image shifts - however, as on board mic placment for stereo recording is usually compromised by camera noise anyway, and the nasty sickening/dizziness effect when the camera is panned - you'll probably not even notice the slightly odd sound.

With two mics on the camera, aligning them at an angle to each other with a stereo bar is difficult, and using them remotely introduces yet another set of problems.

In most cases, having two essentially mono tracks you can blend in post is more useful - if you are doing a music event and need real stereo recordings, do them separately and add them later on proper audio kit.

Renton Maclachlan · June 9th, 2009, 04:17 AM

Thanks Paul.

I wasn't aware of the difference between 'stereo' and 'two channel' sound. I thought two channels, each from separate mics was stereo.

It is two channel I was thinking of but used for a single speaker. One mic each side, about an arms length away (arms 30 degrees either side out the front, aimed towards the mouth and just above head height.

I have just done a shoot using two cameras for such a setup, with one mic going to each camera. My intention was to use both sound tracks. As it turned out, I only used the video and audio from one camera, after discovering for this particular sort of shoot, I only want one camera.

Then I thought -"Why not shove both mics into that one camera?"

Thus my question...

Steve House · June 9th, 2009, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton Maclachlan

Thanks Paul.

I wasn't aware of the difference between 'stereo' and 'two channel' sound. I thought two channels, each from separate mics was stereo.

It is two channel I was thinking of but used for a single speaker. One mic each side, about an arms length away (arms 30 degrees either side out the front, aimed towards the mouth and just above head height.

I have just done a shoot using two cameras for such a setup, with one mic going to each camera. My intention was to use both sound tracks. As it turned out, I only used the video and audio from one camera, after discovering for this particular sort of shoot, I only want one camera.

Then I thought -"Why not shove both mics into that one camera?"

Thus my question...

Using two mics is not a bad idea at all but I'd suggest using them in a different way. Two channels does not per se make stereo, as has been pointed out, but for a speaker stereo is kind of pointless anyway. Even when the final film has a stereo track for music and effects, dialog is mono and placed in the center, fed equally to both left and right channels. What makes more sense is to use your two mics side by side to record dual mono, with one channel level set 6 or 8 dB below the other. In post you decide which one has the better sound and use it, discarding the other. Recording with different levels gives you a safety net in case an unexpected extra-loud peak causes distortion or clipping in the higher channel, it'll probably be okay in the one recorded with the lower level.

Renton Maclachlan · June 9th, 2009, 01:43 PM

Thanks Steve, that makes sense...

Mark Boyer · June 9th, 2009, 03:09 PM

Many years ago I tried the hard wire solution and ran into trouble.

The Beachtek under camera mixer is designed for this type of hookup.

Mixing a Rode MT-2 with a XLR plug and a Rode Video Mic with a 3.5mm mini-jack output into a 1/8 inch plug (3.5mm jack) camera input requires a conversion that the Beachtek was designed for.

June 8th, 2009, 02:16 AM	#1
Renton Maclachlan Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,180	two mics to one camera I want to be able to connect two Rode mics I have to the one video camera so as to give sterio sound. How do I go about this in the simplest, cheapest way?

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June 8th, 2009, 03:23 AM	#2
Mario Vermunt Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rotterdam, the Netherlands Posts: 77	That all depends on the connections on your camera. Most consumer cameras have a 3,5 mm stereo jackplug. (Semi)professional cameras have XLR connectors. The latter would be easy: just use two microphone cables. That you would have found out for yourself I guess, so I suppose you have the 3,5 mm jackplug in your camera. In that case you have to check if your microphone needs phantom power or can be battery operated. If it is battery operated you can just buy a simple Y-cable that splits the stereo connection into two mono (left and right) connections. If not, you will need a phantom power unit or a mixing device with phantom power. Let me know the type of camera and microphone for a more specific advice.

June 8th, 2009, 05:33 AM	#4
Trevor Meeks Major Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sonoma, CA Posts: 336	nope! not gonna happen unless you get a mixer or something that outputs to a 3.5mm jack or whatever input the camera has.

June 8th, 2009, 06:12 AM	#5
Mario Vermunt Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rotterdam, the Netherlands Posts: 77	I do not agree. It is possible to connect both these mics to your camera using a Y-cable. You will have to have one custom made because one of the leads will have to be connected to the left channel of the 3,5 mm jack plug that goes into the camera and the other lead will have to got to the right channel. But, and this is a big BUT, I would not advise two different mics to get a stereo sound. You should use two mics of the same type (e.g. two NTG-2 mics).

June 8th, 2009, 07:12 AM	#6
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	or . . get one of these. Marvellous! Rode Stereo Videomic - Proactive Grazie

June 8th, 2009, 10:53 AM	#7
Mark Boyer Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bothell Washington Posts: 174	You need to get on of the units from Beachtek: Welcome to the new BeachTek website!

June 8th, 2009, 12:25 PM	#8
Curt Talbot Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Regina, SK Canada Posts: 104 Images: 1	Renton, if you want instructions for making your own pigtail, check out this thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/all-thing...-separate.html I have made several and they work great with my VX2000.

June 8th, 2009, 11:45 PM	#9
Renton Maclachlan Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,180	Thanks everybody for your thoughts. I'll have a go at that wiring Curt. I don't really want to buy another mic and so I'll just have to mix them...

June 9th, 2009, 03:02 AM	#11
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,045	I hate the word 'stereo' - if you have a stereo microphone, you have two matched mics, in one housing, and as an alternative you could have two identical mics mounted externally. What most people end up with is two channel sound, and there's nothing wrong with that, apart from it not being stereo. Stereo sound is supposed to allow the listener to perceive locational information - like with a classical orchestra. You listen to the CD and can locate the violins, the violas, cellos and basses - and then pick out the instruments in the desks behind. Or - identify the position of the players in a big band, or make a drum kit seem 20 feet wide! Early stereo Beatles recordings were two channel, not stereo, despite the labels, with very hard panning of the sources because of equipment limitations of the day. Real stereo for video is difficult. Use the orchestral example above. On the wide shot it works, but focus on the flute, full frame - where should it's sound go? or should it stay in the same place? If you have different types of microphones, stereo is wierd. With different mics in a spaced pair configuration, or an X/Y setup (usually what one-piece mics do) their different frequency response introduces image shifts - however, as on board mic placment for stereo recording is usually compromised by camera noise anyway, and the nasty sickening/dizziness effect when the camera is panned - you'll probably not even notice the slightly odd sound. With two mics on the camera, aligning them at an angle to each other with a stereo bar is difficult, and using them remotely introduces yet another set of problems. In most cases, having two essentially mono tracks you can blend in post is more useful - if you are doing a music event and need real stereo recordings, do them separately and add them later on proper audio kit.

June 9th, 2009, 04:17 AM	#12
Renton Maclachlan Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,180	Thanks Paul. I wasn't aware of the difference between 'stereo' and 'two channel' sound. I thought two channels, each from separate mics was stereo. It is two channel I was thinking of but used for a single speaker. One mic each side, about an arms length away (arms 30 degrees either side out the front, aimed towards the mouth and just above head height. I have just done a shoot using two cameras for such a setup, with one mic going to each camera. My intention was to use both sound tracks. As it turned out, I only used the video and audio from one camera, after discovering for this particular sort of shoot, I only want one camera. Then I thought -"Why not shove both mics into that one camera?" Thus my question...

June 9th, 2009, 01:43 PM	#14
Renton Maclachlan Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,180	Thanks Steve, that makes sense...

June 9th, 2009, 03:09 PM	#15
Mark Boyer Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bothell Washington Posts: 174	Many years ago I tried the hard wire solution and ran into trouble. The Beachtek under camera mixer is designed for this type of hookup. Mixing a Rode MT-2 with a XLR plug and a Rode Video Mic with a 3.5mm mini-jack output into a 1/8 inch plug (3.5mm jack) camera input requires a conversion that the Beachtek was designed for.