What do you do with one good mic? at DVinfo.net

Bryan Beasleigh · March 14th, 2004, 11:26 PM

A man walks into his doctors office with a frog on his head.
The Dr says "How did this happen"
To which the frog replies "It all started with a wart on my _ss"

2 1/2 years ago I bought a TRV20.

Last week I bought a Schoeps MK41 to use with my 302 mixer and VX2000. The Mic sounds great through the 302 into my marantz recorder but sounded like hell through the camera.

This week, my VX2000 has been modified do the audio in is input directly into the cameras analog to digital converter, through the VTR RCA input terminals. It's on it's way back to me as of monday.

Now i have a really fine audio chain and one really good mic, I could use the Oktavas with it but never the ME66. (shudder)

For the time being, that's the way it will work but i'll need either a short shotgun or another Schoeps to round out the system.

Any thoughts from the group, I'm all ears. I'm mainly into dialog between 2 to 4 people in a documentary setting. I also get involved with social events and military reneactment and cerimony.

I make full use of my PMD670 recorder as well, so that's usually got the oktavas tied up.

Jan Roovers · March 15th, 2004, 05:25 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Bryan Beasleigh :
Last week I bought a Schoeps MK41. The Mic sounded like hell through the camera.-->>

I have not yet been in hell. What was the problem??

Frank Granovski · March 15th, 2004, 05:50 AM

Good joke, Bryan. I think I heard that one before in another lifetime. Frog jokes are always good.

How much did you pay for the Schoeps MK41?

Now for the stupid question: which mic is better, the Schoeps MK41 or the Apex 191?

Here's another question: what's the difference between a hyper-cardioid and a super-cardioid?

Bryan Beasleigh · March 15th, 2004, 10:07 AM

The MK41 has a tighter pattern than a hypercardoid. The Schoeps is 1180US with a 15% increase due apr 1.

John Britt · March 15th, 2004, 10:33 AM

What to do with one good mic?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting

Sorry, had to do it. You'd think this was dv.com or something...

Frank Granovski · March 15th, 2004, 04:57 PM

I have another question:

which do you switch on first, the mic or the cam?

I'm still waiting for answers for my other 2 questions:[list=1][*]which mic is better, the Schoeps MK41 or the Apex 191?[*]what's the difference between a hyper-cardioid and a super-cardioid?[/list=1]Bryan? :-))

Bryan Beasleigh · March 15th, 2004, 05:54 PM

I answered question 2 already.
So far as question 1 it would depend on what your needs are. The MK41 requires phantom , the Apex can operate on an AA battery <; )

Actually I turn my mixer on first , then the camera. The schoeps doesn't have a switch, either do the oktavas

Bryan Beasleigh · March 15th, 2004, 06:13 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Bryan Beasleigh :
Last week I bought a Schoeps MK41. The Mic sounded like hell through the camera.-->>

Jan Roovers asks
I have not yet been in hell. What was the problem??

The Schoeps, oktava or any other decent mic I own sounds great through my mixer or flash recorder. Run it through the VX2000 and it's enough to make a grown man cry.

Lousy freq response, dynamic range and far too much noise. The limitations of the Sony preamp aren't that noticeable with the ME66 or a dynamic.
http://www.gregjwinter.com/modification2.htm

George Ellis · March 15th, 2004, 06:28 PM

Hi Bryan,

A little bird told me that using a Beachtek DXA-8 would probably help improve your situation ;) Mine is on the way from the West Coast.

Aaron Koolen · March 15th, 2004, 06:47 PM

Looking at Greg's site, it looks like the mod makes your VX2000 have equal and in some cases better stats than your PMD670. That's impressive...I wonder if he can do XM2 mods.. ;)

Aaron

Bryan Beasleigh · March 15th, 2004, 08:03 PM

I've become obsessed with audio.

The Beach is a good option to supply phantom, limiters and allow the best throughput but it won't make a bad preamp better.

None of the higher end equipment is that much of a gamble. I paid about $1150 for my Schoeps. In April the price is up 15%. In 5 years it'll still be worth what i paid, provided i don't slam the car door on it or drop it off of the CN Tower.

Good audio has incredible impact.

Frank Granovski · March 15th, 2004, 08:46 PM

So is that mic an investment?

I wanted to drop a penny from "the cage" once, but decided against it. Nothing like being up on the CN Tower! It's so windy up there, your mic would need one of those muffy covers.

Bryan Beasleigh · March 15th, 2004, 10:29 PM

It is an investment in quality audio. The plus is that it won't depreciate that much. It's good German technology Frank ; 0

Frank Granovski · March 16th, 2004, 12:18 AM

Nothing like have a bit of Chutzpah, Herr Meister Fotograf. Guten Abend! :-))

Barry Rivadue · March 16th, 2004, 11:12 AM

This talk of the Shoeps MK41 is really intriguing. Where's the best place to get one before the price increase? Is the Shoeps as good at recording music as it is dialogue? I have a DVX100 by the way--how would a Shoeps fare with it?

March 14th, 2004, 11:26 PM	#1
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	What do you do with one good mic? A man walks into his doctors office with a frog on his head. The Dr says "How did this happen" To which the frog replies "It all started with a wart on my _ss" 2 1/2 years ago I bought a TRV20. Last week I bought a Schoeps MK41 to use with my 302 mixer and VX2000. The Mic sounds great through the 302 into my marantz recorder but sounded like hell through the camera. This week, my VX2000 has been modified do the audio in is input directly into the cameras analog to digital converter, through the VTR RCA input terminals. It's on it's way back to me as of monday. Now i have a really fine audio chain and one really good mic, I could use the Oktavas with it but never the ME66. (shudder) For the time being, that's the way it will work but i'll need either a short shotgun or another Schoeps to round out the system. Any thoughts from the group, I'm all ears. I'm mainly into dialog between 2 to 4 people in a documentary setting. I also get involved with social events and military reneactment and cerimony. I make full use of my PMD670 recorder as well, so that's usually got the oktavas tied up.

March 15th, 2004, 05:25 AM	#2
Jan Roovers Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Amsterdam NL -Turnhout BE Posts: 158	Re: What do you do with one good mic? <<<-- Originally posted by Bryan Beasleigh : Last week I bought a Schoeps MK41. The Mic sounded like hell through the camera.-->> I have not yet been in hell. What was the problem?? __________________ ___________ Jan Roovers www.jtv.be

March 15th, 2004, 10:33 AM	#5
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	Have to go with the obvious joke... What to do with one good mic? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting Sorry, had to do it. You'd think this was dv.com or something...

March 15th, 2004, 04:57 PM	#6
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I have another question: which do you switch on first, the mic or the cam? I'm still waiting for answers for my other 2 questions:[list=1][]which mic is better, the Schoeps MK41 or the Apex 191?[]what's the difference between a hyper-cardioid and a super-cardioid?[/list=1]Bryan? :-))

March 15th, 2004, 06:47 PM	#10
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Looking at Greg's site, it looks like the mod makes your VX2000 have equal and in some cases better stats than your PMD670. That's impressive...I wonder if he can do XM2 mods.. ;) Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

March 15th, 2004, 05:50 AM	#3
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Good joke, Bryan. I think I heard that one before in another lifetime. Frog jokes are always good. How much did you pay for the Schoeps MK41? Now for the stupid question: which mic is better, the Schoeps MK41 or the Apex 191? Here's another question: what's the difference between a hyper-cardioid and a super-cardioid?

March 15th, 2004, 10:07 AM	#4
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	The MK41 has a tighter pattern than a hypercardoid. The Schoeps is 1180US with a 15% increase due apr 1.

March 15th, 2004, 05:54 PM	#7
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	I answered question 2 already. So far as question 1 it would depend on what your needs are. The MK41 requires phantom , the Apex can operate on an AA battery <; ) Actually I turn my mixer on first , then the camera. The schoeps doesn't have a switch, either do the oktavas

March 15th, 2004, 06:13 PM	#8
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	<<<-- Originally posted by Bryan Beasleigh : Last week I bought a Schoeps MK41. The Mic sounded like hell through the camera.-->> Jan Roovers asks I have not yet been in hell. What was the problem?? The Schoeps, oktava or any other decent mic I own sounds great through my mixer or flash recorder. Run it through the VX2000 and it's enough to make a grown man cry. Lousy freq response, dynamic range and far too much noise. The limitations of the Sony preamp aren't that noticeable with the ME66 or a dynamic. http://www.gregjwinter.com/modification2.htm

March 15th, 2004, 06:28 PM	#9
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	Hi Bryan, A little bird told me that using a Beachtek DXA-8 would probably help improve your situation ;) Mine is on the way from the West Coast.

March 15th, 2004, 08:03 PM	#11
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	I've become obsessed with audio. The Beach is a good option to supply phantom, limiters and allow the best throughput but it won't make a bad preamp better. None of the higher end equipment is that much of a gamble. I paid about $1150 for my Schoeps. In April the price is up 15%. In 5 years it'll still be worth what i paid, provided i don't slam the car door on it or drop it off of the CN Tower. Good audio has incredible impact.

March 15th, 2004, 08:46 PM	#12
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	So is that mic an investment? I wanted to drop a penny from "the cage" once, but decided against it. Nothing like being up on the CN Tower! It's so windy up there, your mic would need one of those muffy covers.

March 15th, 2004, 10:29 PM	#13
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	It is an investment in quality audio. The plus is that it won't depreciate that much. It's good German technology Frank ; 0

March 16th, 2004, 12:18 AM	#14
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Nothing like have a bit of Chutzpah, Herr Meister Fotograf. Guten Abend! :-))

March 16th, 2004, 11:12 AM	#15
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	This talk of the Shoeps MK41 is really intriguing. Where's the best place to get one before the price increase? Is the Shoeps as good at recording music as it is dialogue? I have a DVX100 by the way--how would a Shoeps fare with it?