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Law Tyler · February 26th, 2004, 01:15 PM

Usually I use the shotgun mic on my DSR-250, but it seems to be less powerful than the Azden, which may be an overkill.

I wonder how good a regular handheld mic might be, up close. In this way I can use the mic for both music during the ceremony and interviews before and after, no need for a 3rd mic if the live music source is far away from my camera.

It will be on a stand, of course.

Mike Rehmus · February 26th, 2004, 05:13 PM

Law, you need to define what you mean by 'regular handheld microphone,' before you will be able to get a meaningful answer.

If you mean something like a Beta58, then so-so because it is a dynamic microphone designed for close-up work (unless it is a heavy metal band in which case it may be ideal). A condenser microphone would make more sense for a orchestra sound source (another item you need to define). A shotgun is probably not a good idea because it is too directional and they tend to have problems when driven very hard.

Jan Roovers · February 26th, 2004, 05:35 PM

What do you think of this 2 mics?
http://www.beyerdynamic.de/de/product/sheets/d826.php3
(This one is very cheap but seems to sound great for voice and music.)
and
http://www.beyerdynamic.de/de/product/sheets/d825.php3

You can hear them here: http://www1.keyboards.de/magazine/m0103/301074wp.html

Law Tyler · February 26th, 2004, 07:54 PM

Well Mike,

I got a Beyerdynamic TG-X58, excellent for handheld. Samson wireless plugin-transmitter package came with a cheapie Samson mic that when handheld, give a "metal-rubbing" sound, regardless of how still I hold it. This TG-X58 has some kind of rubber coating, that eliminated that sound, and also provide excellent speech up to one foot away.

The wedding pianist is typically very loud, I figure even at 3 feet away, it will still give no-hiss nice-response sound with this mic, maybe I am wrong, have not tried it.

The possibly tricky thing is for interview in noisy environment, we want a mic for close-up, and not pick up too much noisy background. I don't know if a condenser mic may not work.

Let me ask a naive question. I notice that condenser mic needs battery, is a condenser mic like a shotgun mic, except it is not directional?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · February 26th, 2004, 08:09 PM

Any mic that uses external power is a condenser. Condensers can use power from Phantom power, which is a means of delivering power either via the mic cable from a device that sends power, or from a battery that might be inside the mic. Condensers can be omni or unidirectional, or stereo. They are generally more sensitive than dynamic mics, but not always. They can easily be noisy, and it's a good idea to have a preamp with them for the gain-stepping.

February 26th, 2004, 01:15 PM	#1
Law Tyler Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 204	Record live wedding music with... Usually I use the shotgun mic on my DSR-250, but it seems to be less powerful than the Azden, which may be an overkill. I wonder how good a regular handheld mic might be, up close. In this way I can use the mic for both music during the ceremony and interviews before and after, no need for a 3rd mic if the live music source is far away from my camera. It will be on a stand, of course.

February 26th, 2004, 05:13 PM	#2
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Law, you need to define what you mean by 'regular handheld microphone,' before you will be able to get a meaningful answer. If you mean something like a Beta58, then so-so because it is a dynamic microphone designed for close-up work (unless it is a heavy metal band in which case it may be ideal). A condenser microphone would make more sense for a orchestra sound source (another item you need to define). A shotgun is probably not a good idea because it is too directional and they tend to have problems when driven very hard. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

February 26th, 2004, 05:35 PM	#3
Jan Roovers Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Amsterdam NL -Turnhout BE Posts: 158	What do you think of this 2 mics? http://www.beyerdynamic.de/de/product/sheets/d826.php3 (This one is very cheap but seems to sound great for voice and music.) and http://www.beyerdynamic.de/de/product/sheets/d825.php3 You can hear them here: http://www1.keyboards.de/magazine/m0103/301074wp.html __________________ ___________ Jan Roovers www.jtv.be

February 26th, 2004, 08:09 PM	#5
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Any mic that uses external power is a condenser. Condensers can use power from Phantom power, which is a means of delivering power either via the mic cable from a device that sends power, or from a battery that might be inside the mic. Condensers can be omni or unidirectional, or stereo. They are generally more sensitive than dynamic mics, but not always. They can easily be noisy, and it's a good idea to have a preamp with them for the gain-stepping. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

February 26th, 2004, 07:54 PM	#4
Law Tyler Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 204	Well Mike, I got a Beyerdynamic TG-X58, excellent for handheld. Samson wireless plugin-transmitter package came with a cheapie Samson mic that when handheld, give a "metal-rubbing" sound, regardless of how still I hold it. This TG-X58 has some kind of rubber coating, that eliminated that sound, and also provide excellent speech up to one foot away. The wedding pianist is typically very loud, I figure even at 3 feet away, it will still give no-hiss nice-response sound with this mic, maybe I am wrong, have not tried it. The possibly tricky thing is for interview in noisy environment, we want a mic for close-up, and not pick up too much noisy background. I don't know if a condenser mic may not work. Let me ask a naive question. I notice that condenser mic needs battery, is a condenser mic like a shotgun mic, except it is not directional?