A good stereo mic for PDX10? AT825?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · February 13th, 2004, 09:15 PM

I did a review for the DMN on the 835ST a while back. It's a great mic. Don Davis, a well known voice over artist uses one for all his voice over work, he does a lot of work for McDonalds, Disney, Six Flags, Jimmy Dean, Sarah Lee, and other big name companies. Does them out of his home studio these days.

Frank Granovski · February 13th, 2004, 09:35 PM

Thanks. Is it directional at all, or does it pick up from the rear?

Bryan Beasleigh · February 13th, 2004, 10:04 PM

Frank here are some interesting links

ftp://ftp.jagunet.com/pub/users/tfor..._&_AT815ST.txt

ftp://ftp.jagunet.com/pub/users/tfor...tereo_Mics.txt

Have a peek at the AT spec sheet. the polar patterns in the bottom of the page will give you the rejection at the sides and rear. It actually looks preetty good. For more detailed graphs (but harder to read) click on the english spec link at the bottom of the page. that'll get you a PDF file of a more detailed desciption.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · February 13th, 2004, 10:15 PM

Frank, it's quite directional, and rejects well from the rear. In doing the review, I did it at a live shoot for the Broadway show "My Way." Therefore, I did a 'real world' review vs a scientific one. I bought the mic after having seen it being used on a film I was scoring part of for Steven Seagal. It was being used for live capture, and I thought it odd they were using a stereo mic. That's pretty rare. Anyway, it did a great job for me, even though I was using it as a backup in the test. I think there is still a stream of the "My Way" promo at http://www.encoreattractions.com. My web connection is slow in the hotel, so I didn't go there to look.

Bryan Beasleigh · February 13th, 2004, 10:22 PM

Looks pretty versitile and inexpensive for what it does.

Glenn Chan · February 14th, 2004, 12:41 AM

1- Another option is to get the Ambient Emesser, which can turn your favorite mic into a M/S (mid-side) setup like the Audio Technica stereo shotgun. The AT shotgun is much cheaper though.

http://coffeysound.com/store/ambient.html List price $650USD.

2- I was wondering about the on-board stereo mic because you might be able to use it to record just ambience without moving the camera. However, it's no good if you are handling the camera and it might pick up motor noise, so that's probably a bad idea.

Frank Granovski · February 14th, 2004, 02:00 AM

What's the web company info link to the 835ST?

So would I need an XLR adaptor with the 835ST?

Glenn Chan · February 14th, 2004, 01:45 PM

http://www.audio-technica.com/prodpr...s/AT835ST.html

"Includes a 24" (0.61 m) cable (5-pin XLRF to two standard 3-pin XLRM connectors) "

Bryan Beasleigh · February 14th, 2004, 04:20 PM

My mistake, I thought i posted the AT link.

At any rate, while it's inexpensive for what it does it's still $570 plus shipping from B&H.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=215893&is=REG

Frank Granovski · February 14th, 2004, 07:10 PM

Glenn, Bryan, thanks for the links.

Glenn, I read that, "Includes a 24" (0.61 m) cable (5-pin XLRF to two standard 3-pin XLRM connectors)," on those 2 links Bryan posted, but I was wondering if an XLR adaptor is required.

Glenn Chan · February 14th, 2004, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Glenn, I read that, "Includes a 24" (0.61 m) cable (5-pin XLRF to two standard 3-pin XLRM connectors)," on those 2 links Bryan posted, but I was wondering if an XLR adaptor is required.

Adapter to what? XLRM should be XLR Male, which should be the right connector nearly all the time.

If you need to adapt from XLR --> miniplug (mic input) or some other input, I think you need something like a Beachtek. On the AT site it looks like the mic needs phantom power. You'll also need to get levels right and to filter out "mic plug-in" power on most mic inputs. The Beachtek DXA4 (I think that's the model) provides both, and it also helps you get levels right since it volume control built in.

Bryan Beasleigh · February 14th, 2004, 09:33 PM

The 835St requires 11-52 volt phantom and at the very least would require a beach DXA6 (dual phantom) . The Rode NT4 is a stereo that runs off of a 9 volt onboard battery. It's bigger than the AT and costs about $375US. Dave Largent ( a DVINFO member) uses one.

Frank Granovski · February 14th, 2004, 09:40 PM

Thanks Bryan. That makes this mic's price about $400 bucks higher.

Frank Granovski · February 14th, 2004, 09:48 PM

Sorry, Glenn. My cams don't have XLRs, and I was looking for a cheap mic solution but with a strong leaning toward stereo or zoom-stereo. So the cost for me would also include an XLR adaptor, aand I see I'll need other extras for this "bare" mic. I guess I'll have to dig deep or go with Bryan's original suggestion with the Apex 191/shock mount. I think I'll be going for the stereo, though, and the new Glenbox or the Beachtek.

Marty Wein · February 14th, 2004, 10:13 PM

Frank
The AT822 is like the AT825. Works on battery and is supplied with a stereo mini cable.

February 13th, 2004, 09:15 PM	#16
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	I did a review for the DMN on the 835ST a while back. It's a great mic. Don Davis, a well known voice over artist uses one for all his voice over work, he does a lot of work for McDonalds, Disney, Six Flags, Jimmy Dean, Sarah Lee, and other big name companies. Does them out of his home studio these days. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

February 13th, 2004, 10:15 PM	#19
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Frank, it's quite directional, and rejects well from the rear. In doing the review, I did it at a live shoot for the Broadway show "My Way." Therefore, I did a 'real world' review vs a scientific one. I bought the mic after having seen it being used on a film I was scoring part of for Steven Seagal. It was being used for live capture, and I thought it odd they were using a stereo mic. That's pretty rare. Anyway, it did a great job for me, even though I was using it as a backup in the test. I think there is still a stream of the "My Way" promo at http://www.encoreattractions.com. My web connection is slow in the hotel, so I didn't go there to look. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

February 13th, 2004, 09:35 PM	#17
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Thanks. Is it directional at all, or does it pick up from the rear?

February 13th, 2004, 10:04 PM	#18
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Frank here are some interesting links ftp://ftp.jagunet.com/pub/users/tfor..._&_AT815ST.txt ftp://ftp.jagunet.com/pub/users/tfor...tereo_Mics.txt Have a peek at the AT spec sheet. the polar patterns in the bottom of the page will give you the rejection at the sides and rear. It actually looks preetty good. For more detailed graphs (but harder to read) click on the english spec link at the bottom of the page. that'll get you a PDF file of a more detailed desciption.

February 13th, 2004, 10:22 PM	#20
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Looks pretty versitile and inexpensive for what it does.

February 14th, 2004, 12:41 AM	#21
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	1- Another option is to get the Ambient Emesser, which can turn your favorite mic into a M/S (mid-side) setup like the Audio Technica stereo shotgun. The AT shotgun is much cheaper though. http://coffeysound.com/store/ambient.html List price $650USD. 2- I was wondering about the on-board stereo mic because you might be able to use it to record just ambience without moving the camera. However, it's no good if you are handling the camera and it might pick up motor noise, so that's probably a bad idea.

February 14th, 2004, 02:00 AM	#22
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	What's the web company info link to the 835ST? So would I need an XLR adaptor with the 835ST?

February 14th, 2004, 01:45 PM	#23
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	http://www.audio-technica.com/prodpr...s/AT835ST.html "Includes a 24" (0.61 m) cable (5-pin XLRF to two standard 3-pin XLRM connectors) "

February 14th, 2004, 04:20 PM	#24
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	My mistake, I thought i posted the AT link. At any rate, while it's inexpensive for what it does it's still $570 plus shipping from B&H. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=215893&is=REG

February 14th, 2004, 07:10 PM	#25
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Glenn, Bryan, thanks for the links. Glenn, I read that, "Includes a 24" (0.61 m) cable (5-pin XLRF to two standard 3-pin XLRM connectors)," on those 2 links Bryan posted, but I was wondering if an XLR adaptor is required.

February 14th, 2004, 09:33 PM	#27
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	The 835St requires 11-52 volt phantom and at the very least would require a beach DXA6 (dual phantom) . The Rode NT4 is a stereo that runs off of a 9 volt onboard battery. It's bigger than the AT and costs about $375US. Dave Largent ( a DVINFO member) uses one.

February 14th, 2004, 09:40 PM	#28
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Thanks Bryan. That makes this mic's price about $400 bucks higher.

February 14th, 2004, 09:48 PM	#29
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Sorry, Glenn. My cams don't have XLRs, and I was looking for a cheap mic solution but with a strong leaning toward stereo or zoom-stereo. So the cost for me would also include an XLR adaptor, aand I see I'll need other extras for this "bare" mic. I guess I'll have to dig deep or go with Bryan's original suggestion with the Apex 191/shock mount. I think I'll be going for the stereo, though, and the new Glenbox or the Beachtek.

February 14th, 2004, 10:13 PM	#30
Marty Wein Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 229	Frank The AT822 is like the AT825. Works on battery and is supplied with a stereo mini cable.