Mic Mixer ? at DVinfo.net

Dan Brown · December 3rd, 2003, 12:39 PM

My first post...

I'm looking for a compact battery powered field mixer that could input 3-4 XLR mics, and output them to 1-2 XLR for input to a Panny DVC80. I'd like the mixer to have VU, level control for each input, and 1-2 headphone outputs with volume adjustment. Oh, and I'd like to get it for under $100.

j/k about the price, snicker, snicker.

Thanks...

Bryan Beasleigh · December 3rd, 2003, 01:10 PM

Have a look at the Sound devices line . I own the 302 and it has almost anything you could look for. if 3 inputs aren't enough you can go to the 442. The equipment isn't cheap but you get a very good bang for your buck. The stuff is built like a brick sh!t house.

http://www.sounddevices.com/

Mike Rehmus · December 3rd, 2003, 06:20 PM

There is a reasonable match to what you want if you are willing to buy used.

The Shure 267 mixer has 4 XLR inputs, phantom, line and mic XLR output, VU meter, Tone, low freq roll-off, microphone output with level control Runs off 3 X 9 volt batteries or can plug into the wall.

They can be stacked for more inputs via a RCA connection.

Cost used - $100 to $150 depending on condition.

Not super quiet but superb on-location. It is about 3 inches thick, 8 inches deep and about 12 inches wide.

I use them (I have 2) about as frequently as I do my Shure FP32.

Dan Brown · December 5th, 2003, 11:06 PM

Wondering if images can be linked, like on some other BB's I hang out at?

http://www.shure.com/photos/bigones/fp33big.jpg

Mike Rehmus · December 6th, 2003, 12:29 PM

As soon as you get into the FP33 class of product, most of the pro sound guys would argue that there are better products available.

Dan Brown · December 6th, 2003, 09:22 PM

Thanks Mike, I won't be spending that kind of money on a mixer just yet. Heck, I'm not even sure I need one. If I do, it'll be something like a $99 Behringer of Rolls from Guitar Center. Right now, since I just finished the first draft of my first screenplay, I'm more concered about getting a camera and how I'm going to get good sound.

As long as I'm rambling...

I've got a Shure SM58 from my guitar kit I can use for narration and voice overs. I was looking at an AT 835b on a boom for speaking parts (indoords and out), but it's a simple film and I could put a lav on each actor (never more than 2 in any scene) and obviate the need for a boom operator. I have a few shots of a Jeep driving into the scene with the radio blaring. I'd like to get the sounds of the tires rolling, the engine/brakes, and the radio (getting louder as it approaches the camera), I don't know how to pull that off yet, still searching the archives. Maybe with a shotgun on the camera and ride the gain, I dunno?

Then there's the whole area of camera support. Of course, I'd like to pan/track/crane to keep things interesting. A Steadicam sequence would be nice, but probably not worth the equipment expense at this point.

Geez, video is lots more complicated then still work :~)

Mike Rehmus · December 7th, 2003, 01:00 AM

Capturing all of those sounds of the car is difficult and probably would have to be foleyed anyway.

Actually, one of the lavs will capture the car approach with a reasonable degree of success. Add the manipulation you will have to apply in post and it won't sound half-bad.

The 835B will work well but remember that to the cost of the microphone, you will have to add the cost of the boom and then you will have to protect the microphone from wind noise. That's at least $150 for one of the shorty wind muffs from Light Wave or someone else. Plus a shock mount.

I'd experiment with a Lav with a wind sock on it. You get 2 lav socks for $50 from Trew Audio and others.

Furthermore, if your two characters are close together, you can get by with just a single lav. I've been using a radio lav to capture the sound of two actors for some time. Weddings too. It works fine.

The 58 will work OK for narration but you may find that you want a 'real' studio microphone for that. Rent a studio and engineer and equipment for that. You will be happy you did and the pressure will be a whole lot less.

Carlos E. Martinez · December 8th, 2003, 05:18 AM

<<<-- Geez, video is lots more complicated then still work :~) -->>>

It is. Go here have a look at this audio tutorial:

http://www.preciseaudio.com/Technical_1.htm

Carlos

Dan Brown · December 8th, 2003, 08:31 AM

Thanks Carlos, that's a very informative link!

Mike Rehmus · December 8th, 2003, 10:31 AM

Don't miss the Shure tutorials on their web site.

Marty Wein · December 8th, 2003, 06:52 PM

If you occasionally need to capture special effects like car approaching etc and you are having difficulties you may want to consider getting the Sonomic Card as it will give you access to a huge sound effect collection.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=254682&is=REG

www.sonomic.com

December 3rd, 2003, 12:39 PM	#1
Dan Brown Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 235	Mic Mixer ? My first post... I'm looking for a compact battery powered field mixer that could input 3-4 XLR mics, and output them to 1-2 XLR for input to a Panny DVC80. I'd like the mixer to have VU, level control for each input, and 1-2 headphone outputs with volume adjustment. Oh, and I'd like to get it for under $100. j/k about the price, snicker, snicker. Thanks... __________________ dB

December 3rd, 2003, 06:20 PM	#3
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	There is a reasonable match to what you want if you are willing to buy used. The Shure 267 mixer has 4 XLR inputs, phantom, line and mic XLR output, VU meter, Tone, low freq roll-off, microphone output with level control Runs off 3 X 9 volt batteries or can plug into the wall. They can be stacked for more inputs via a RCA connection. Cost used - $100 to $150 depending on condition. Not super quiet but superb on-location. It is about 3 inches thick, 8 inches deep and about 12 inches wide. I use them (I have 2) about as frequently as I do my Shure FP32. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

December 5th, 2003, 11:06 PM	#4
Dan Brown Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 235	Wondering if images can be linked, like on some other BB's I hang out at? http://www.shure.com/photos/bigones/fp33big.jpg __________________ dB

December 6th, 2003, 12:29 PM	#5
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	As soon as you get into the FP33 class of product, most of the pro sound guys would argue that there are better products available. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

December 6th, 2003, 09:22 PM	#6
Dan Brown Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 235	Thanks Mike, I won't be spending that kind of money on a mixer just yet. Heck, I'm not even sure I need one. If I do, it'll be something like a $99 Behringer of Rolls from Guitar Center. Right now, since I just finished the first draft of my first screenplay, I'm more concered about getting a camera and how I'm going to get good sound. As long as I'm rambling... I've got a Shure SM58 from my guitar kit I can use for narration and voice overs. I was looking at an AT 835b on a boom for speaking parts (indoords and out), but it's a simple film and I could put a lav on each actor (never more than 2 in any scene) and obviate the need for a boom operator. I have a few shots of a Jeep driving into the scene with the radio blaring. I'd like to get the sounds of the tires rolling, the engine/brakes, and the radio (getting louder as it approaches the camera), I don't know how to pull that off yet, still searching the archives. Maybe with a shotgun on the camera and ride the gain, I dunno? Then there's the whole area of camera support. Of course, I'd like to pan/track/crane to keep things interesting. A Steadicam sequence would be nice, but probably not worth the equipment expense at this point. Geez, video is lots more complicated then still work :~) __________________ dB

December 3rd, 2003, 01:10 PM	#2
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Have a look at the Sound devices line . I own the 302 and it has almost anything you could look for. if 3 inputs aren't enough you can go to the 442. The equipment isn't cheap but you get a very good bang for your buck. The stuff is built like a brick sh!t house. http://www.sounddevices.com/

December 7th, 2003, 01:00 AM	#7
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Capturing all of those sounds of the car is difficult and probably would have to be foleyed anyway. Actually, one of the lavs will capture the car approach with a reasonable degree of success. Add the manipulation you will have to apply in post and it won't sound half-bad. The 835B will work well but remember that to the cost of the microphone, you will have to add the cost of the boom and then you will have to protect the microphone from wind noise. That's at least $150 for one of the shorty wind muffs from Light Wave or someone else. Plus a shock mount. I'd experiment with a Lav with a wind sock on it. You get 2 lav socks for $50 from Trew Audio and others. Furthermore, if your two characters are close together, you can get by with just a single lav. I've been using a radio lav to capture the sound of two actors for some time. Weddings too. It works fine. The 58 will work OK for narration but you may find that you want a 'real' studio microphone for that. Rent a studio and engineer and equipment for that. You will be happy you did and the pressure will be a whole lot less. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

December 8th, 2003, 05:18 AM	#8
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	<<<-- Geez, video is lots more complicated then still work :~) -->>> It is. Go here have a look at this audio tutorial: http://www.preciseaudio.com/Technical_1.htm Carlos

December 8th, 2003, 08:31 AM	#9
Dan Brown Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 235	Thanks Carlos, that's a very informative link! __________________ dB

December 8th, 2003, 10:31 AM	#10
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Don't miss the Shure tutorials on their web site. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

December 8th, 2003, 06:52 PM	#11
Marty Wein Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 229	If you occasionally need to capture special effects like car approaching etc and you are having difficulties you may want to consider getting the Sonomic Card as it will give you access to a huge sound effect collection. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=254682&is=REG www.sonomic.com