Lapel mic: How do the pros use 'em?

Dylan Couper · March 11th, 2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Micky Hulse

Oooooooh, I did not think of that!

I do have an additional G2 that I could use... Great idea Dylan! Thanks! :)

Just don't put the two lav's side by side on the talent where they might "clink" into each other... like I did the first time I double mic'd someone. :)

Guy Cochran · March 11th, 2009, 01:11 PM

Here's something in the meantime <http://www.realitycrew.com/watch.html>

I'm sure I can get something with a bit more production value uploaded.

Micky Hulse · March 14th, 2009, 06:21 PM

Hey!

For some reason I did not get a forum e-mail... I am glad I checked back!

Watching vids now! Thanks Guy!!!

Also, checking out your DVeStore now. :)

Keep up the amazing work!

Have a great day!
Cheers,
Micky

Mark Boyer · March 14th, 2009, 10:08 PM

You need to find out if it is cable noise or clothing noise. I use Trams (they provide every accessory for mounting options) or a Countryman lavaliere. There is a special technique for mounting your mic and avoiding clothing noise. Make sure you get enough lead time to run a test with the talent so you can adjust the mounting to their clothing. A excellent book is "Location Audio Simplified".

Chris Swanberg · March 14th, 2009, 11:35 PM

I second the recommendation. See more at Home. Very useful.

Micky Hulse · March 16th, 2009, 11:47 AM

Hi Mark and Chris~!

Thanks for the book tip!

$54.95 sounds very reasonable. Adding it to my purchase list. :)

Have an excellent day, and thanks for the replies.

Cheers,
Micky

Jeff Kellam · March 16th, 2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micky Hulse

Hello,

...When I watch TV shows (reality/American Idol... yadda), I see the mics are very tight and appear to transmit great audio.

Micky

Micky:

Although I believe the mike will make the biggest difference in sound quality, the reciever and transmitter will also make a big difference in sound quality.

I have a Lectrosonics and Sennheiser G2 system and the sound quality is very different between them.

I doubt any broadcast shows use G2 level equipment.

Micky Hulse · March 16th, 2009, 11:39 PM

Hi Jeff! Thanks for the reply. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kellam

I doubt any broadcast shows use G2 level equipment.

Good point. :)

Man, I would love to get some on-the-job experience working on a television show!

Anyway, thanks for the clarification and your input. I really appreciate it. :)

Have a great night,
Cheers,
Micky

John Willett · March 17th, 2009, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Kellam

I doubt any broadcast shows use G2 level equipment.

G2 is used a lot in broadcast - you see them all the time.

Just don't use the supplied tie mic. and change it for something better (eg: MKE 2-ew).

Jimmy Tuffrey · March 17th, 2009, 01:54 PM

I've seen the G2 on a lot of news reports, even with the supplied ME2 or ME4 mic.
They are fine for short reports but for longer presentations in productions that go through a dub they would not hold up so well. The other end of the spectrum is drama where they would sound bad and very different from a boom. Even with the upgrade to an MKE2.4 gold or similar there will still be no high frequencies or fidelity. The upgraded mic makes a good difference but the radio link is not a great sound.
Seen the Sony plastic diversity system on strictly ballroom a lot amongst other things too. Same thing really. OK for poor sounding shows of which there are many these days. Not much cop for drama.

Micky Hulse · March 17th, 2009, 02:17 PM

Hi John and Jimmy, thanks for the replies~!

Interesting observations... I am definitely planning on upgrading my lav mic.

Dang, I am anxious to film again... All these tips have been great!

As soon as I upgrade my equipment and/or test the new techniques that I have learned (thanks to all!), I will post back here with my findings and experience.

:)

Have a great day,
Cheers,
Micky

Ed Kukla · March 21st, 2009, 09:18 PM

The G2 shortfalls are distance and diversity.

The G2 does not have the long range that most Lectros have.
The G2 is not diversity like most Lectros, meaning it has one receiver antenna. Lectro has 2 receiving antennas that can switch instantly to the better signal.

Moat lectros are also 'tighter'. Meaning they use a much narrower band so they are less prone to interference.

Micky Hulse · March 22nd, 2009, 12:49 AM

Thanks for that info Ed!

Good to know those details... I wish I could afford something with diversity. :(

But, for future buys, I will keep this information in mind.

Have a great night!
Cheers,
Micky

Chris Leone · March 23rd, 2009, 09:21 PM

Last year I did sound on that new food network show Chopped and since they only had 350/day for me, including equipment, I used my G2's (with cos-11's). Worked flawlessly and sounded great.

Jeff Kellam · March 24th, 2009, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Leone

Last year I did sound on that new food network show Chopped and since they only had 350/day for me, including equipment, I used my G2's (with cos-11's). Worked flawlessly and sounded great.

Chris:

What was the audio captured to?

Did you use a mixer(s)?

Did you change batteries daily to be safe?

Did you have any problem with levels or clipping?

Just curious about the details.
Thanks,
Jeff

March 11th, 2009, 01:11 PM	#17
Guy Cochran DVCreators.Net Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 892	Here's something in the meantime <http://www.realitycrew.com/watch.html> I'm sure I can get something with a bit more production value uploaded. __________________ Guy Cochran DVinfo Sponsor, Cool Gear - DVeStore!

March 14th, 2009, 06:21 PM	#18
Micky Hulse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA Posts: 213	Hey! For some reason I did not get a forum e-mail... I am glad I checked back! Watching vids now! Thanks Guy!!! Also, checking out your DVeStore now. :) Keep up the amazing work! Have a great day! Cheers, Micky __________________ Home: See *"Work"* :) Work: Canon XH A1, CS3/CS4/CS5/Final Cut Studio/Final Cut Express/Premiere Elements

March 14th, 2009, 10:08 PM	#19
Mark Boyer Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bothell Washington Posts: 174	Is it clothing noise or cable noise? You need to find out if it is cable noise or clothing noise. I use Trams (they provide every accessory for mounting options) or a Countryman lavaliere. There is a special technique for mounting your mic and avoiding clothing noise. Make sure you get enough lead time to run a test with the talent so you can adjust the mounting to their clothing. A excellent book is "Location Audio Simplified".

March 16th, 2009, 11:47 AM	#21
Micky Hulse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA Posts: 213	Hi Mark and Chris~! Thanks for the book tip! $54.95 sounds very reasonable. Adding it to my purchase list. :) Have an excellent day, and thanks for the replies. Cheers, Micky __________________ Home: See *"Work"* :) Work: Canon XH A1, CS3/CS4/CS5/Final Cut Studio/Final Cut Express/Premiere Elements

March 17th, 2009, 02:17 PM	#26
Micky Hulse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA Posts: 213	Hi John and Jimmy, thanks for the replies~! Interesting observations... I am definitely planning on upgrading my lav mic. Dang, I am anxious to film again... All these tips have been great! As soon as I upgrade my equipment and/or test the new techniques that I have learned (thanks to all!), I will post back here with my findings and experience. :) Have a great day, Cheers, Micky __________________ Home: See *"Work"* :) Work: Canon XH A1, CS3/CS4/CS5/Final Cut Studio/Final Cut Express/Premiere Elements

March 14th, 2009, 11:35 PM	#20
Chris Swanberg Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 904	I second the recommendation. See more at Home. Very useful.

March 17th, 2009, 01:54 PM	#25
Jimmy Tuffrey Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bristol U.K. Posts: 244	I've seen the G2 on a lot of news reports, even with the supplied ME2 or ME4 mic. They are fine for short reports but for longer presentations in productions that go through a dub they would not hold up so well. The other end of the spectrum is drama where they would sound bad and very different from a boom. Even with the upgrade to an MKE2.4 gold or similar there will still be no high frequencies or fidelity. The upgraded mic makes a good difference but the radio link is not a great sound. Seen the Sony plastic diversity system on strictly ballroom a lot amongst other things too. Same thing really. OK for poor sounding shows of which there are many these days. Not much cop for drama.

March 21st, 2009, 09:18 PM	#27
Ed Kukla Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: All over, USA Posts: 512	The G2 shortfalls are distance and diversity. The G2 does not have the long range that most Lectros have. The G2 is not diversity like most Lectros, meaning it has one receiver antenna. Lectro has 2 receiving antennas that can switch instantly to the better signal. Moat lectros are also 'tighter'. Meaning they use a much narrower band so they are less prone to interference.

March 22nd, 2009, 12:49 AM	#28
Micky Hulse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA Posts: 213	Thanks for that info Ed! Good to know those details... I wish I could afford something with diversity. :( But, for future buys, I will keep this information in mind. Have a great night! Cheers, Micky __________________ Home: See *"Work"* :) Work: Canon XH A1, CS3/CS4/CS5/Final Cut Studio/Final Cut Express/Premiere Elements

March 23rd, 2009, 09:21 PM	#29
Chris Leone New Boot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12	G2's on Food Network show 'Chopped' Last year I did sound on that new food network show Chopped and since they only had 350/day for me, including equipment, I used my G2's (with cos-11's). Worked flawlessly and sounded great.