What recorder would send Time Code to Denecke TS-3 at DVinfo.net

Santos Ramos · October 23rd, 2008, 09:18 PM

Hello,

I have the Denecke TS-3 and I am looking to buy a potable recorder that will send time code to the slate.

I was looking at the HD-P2 but it seem that it can only read time code.

TASCAM

Thanks for the help.

Bill Davis · October 23rd, 2008, 11:26 PM

Generally speaking, a timecode slate is a VIDEO production tool, not really an audio production tool.

The video camera generates the timecode which it simultaneously records to the videotape AND feeds the slate. The slate displays the numbers so there's a visual record of the state of the timecode recorded at the head of each take on your the VIDEO tapes. If you're recording double system, you can FEED that same timecode to the audio tapes to make post sync easier.

I can't think of a circumstance where you'd want slate generated timecode fed to an audio recorder.

I guess you could jam sync a timecode generating audio recorders code to the slate and record that to a non-timecode video camera for visual reference, but you could get the same effect just by turning the camera toward the timecode display of the audio recorder prior to each shot - and then there would be no need for the very expensive TC slate.

Or maybe I'm mis-understanding you.

Steve Oakley · October 23rd, 2008, 11:41 PM

it works either way. A tc slate can drive the show. Pretty common with film shoots. As long as there is a single source of stable tc that feeds everything else it's ok. You could run with the slate as master feeding cams and audio recorder. There is a plugin for fcp that let's you read tc from the audio track for cams without tc I/o

Steve House · October 24th, 2008, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santos Ramos

Hello,

I have the Denecke TS-3 and I am looking to buy a potable recorder that will send time code to the slate.

I was looking at the HD-P2 but it seem that it can only read time code.

TASCAM

Thanks for the help.

You are correct - the Tascam only reads TC but doesn't output it. Take a look at the Sound Devices offerings - the 702t generates and outputs code.

Santos Ramos · October 24th, 2008, 06:59 AM

Tanks to all for the help!

OK, I have never used a TC slate and I got the TS-3 from a friend at a price that I could not say no! I am debating if I should keep the TS-3 and if I will have use for it. I was thinking on getting the audio gear and charge more for services when the client wants to use the slate!
Anyways, is seems that I was confused about the use of the TC slate....I thought it was used to view the time code of the audio recorder at post and be able to sync it( see it in FCP and just sync it to the video)....I am not sure why would you use the slate connected to the video camera?

I guess in film there is still use for it but not much for video?

Thanks for the help!

Steve House · October 24th, 2008, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santos Ramos

Tanks to all for the help!

OK, I have never used a TC slate and I got the TS-3 from a friend at a price that I could not say no! I am debating if I should keep the TS-3 and if I will have use for it. I was thinking on getting the audio gear and charge more for services when the client wants to use the slate!
Anyways, is seems that I was confused about the use of the TC slate....I thought it was used to view the time code of the audio recorder at post and be able to sync it( see it in FCP and just sync it to the video)....I am not sure why would you use the slate connected to the video camera?

I guess in film there is still use for it but not much for video?

Thanks for the help!

The slate can be handy with broadcast grade cameras but when the camera and the audio recorder can talk to each other, strictly speaking its not needed. But almost all prosumer cameras lack the broadcast camera's provisions for timecode I/O and external sync. There you're more akin to film camera behaviour and having the visual indication of the audio timecode showing on the photographed (videographed?) slate appear in the picture at the start of the shot can make aligning the two in post more convenient. However in neither case is it an absolute necessity. It's mainly for shot logging and housekeeping more than anything else.

Steve Oakley · October 25th, 2008, 12:14 AM

right fwiw its still super fast and simple to just aling the slate close visual to the spike in the audio waveform and be done with it. Too many folks worry about tc on simple 1/2/3 can shoots

Jon Goodman · October 25th, 2008, 07:57 AM

I use my Sound Devices 702T to jam a Deneke slate for any productions that require tc slate. Used mostly for film, but also for video productions that want to use time code. The 702T is a great recorder. I never had any problems with it.
Cheers
Jon

October 23rd, 2008, 09:18 PM	#1
Santos Ramos Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 54	What recorder would send Time Code to Denecke TS-3 Hello, I have the Denecke TS-3 and I am looking to buy a potable recorder that will send time code to the slate. I was looking at the HD-P2 but it seem that it can only read time code. TASCAM Thanks for the help.

October 24th, 2008, 06:59 AM	#5
Santos Ramos Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 54	Thank you! Tanks to all for the help! OK, I have never used a TC slate and I got the TS-3 from a friend at a price that I could not say no! I am debating if I should keep the TS-3 and if I will have use for it. I was thinking on getting the audio gear and charge more for services when the client wants to use the slate! Anyways, is seems that I was confused about the use of the TC slate....I thought it was used to view the time code of the audio recorder at post and be able to sync it( see it in FCP and just sync it to the video)....I am not sure why would you use the slate connected to the video camera? I guess in film there is still use for it but not much for video? Thanks for the help!

October 23rd, 2008, 11:26 PM	#2
Bill Davis Trustee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Posts: 1,538	Generally speaking, a timecode slate is a VIDEO production tool, not really an audio production tool. The video camera generates the timecode which it simultaneously records to the videotape AND feeds the slate. The slate displays the numbers so there's a visual record of the state of the timecode recorded at the head of each take on your the VIDEO tapes. If you're recording double system, you can FEED that same timecode to the audio tapes to make post sync easier. I can't think of a circumstance where you'd want slate generated timecode fed to an audio recorder. I guess you could jam sync a timecode generating audio recorders code to the slate and record that to a non-timecode video camera for visual reference, but you could get the same effect just by turning the camera toward the timecode display of the audio recorder prior to each shot - and then there would be no need for the very expensive TC slate. Or maybe I'm mis-understanding you.

October 23rd, 2008, 11:41 PM	#3
Steve Oakley Trustee Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1,158	it works either way. A tc slate can drive the show. Pretty common with film shoots. As long as there is a single source of stable tc that feeds everything else it's ok. You could run with the slate as master feeding cams and audio recorder. There is a plugin for fcp that let's you read tc from the audio track for cams without tc I/o

October 25th, 2008, 12:14 AM	#7
Steve Oakley Trustee Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1,158	right fwiw its still super fast and simple to just aling the slate close visual to the spike in the audio waveform and be done with it. Too many folks worry about tc on simple 1/2/3 can shoots

October 25th, 2008, 07:57 AM	#8
Jon Goodman Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 74	I use my Sound Devices 702T to jam a Deneke slate for any productions that require tc slate. Used mostly for film, but also for video productions that want to use time code. The 702T is a great recorder. I never had any problems with it. Cheers Jon