Improving sound quality for video using camcorder mic at DVinfo.net

Nick Birkett · May 7th, 2008, 04:33 AM

My son recorded a video of a school play on a Sony camcorder. The actors wore lavs but he had no access to the mixing board. Hence, the sound was recorded using the built-in mic (16 bit) from his location at the back of the auditorium. Needless-to-say, the soudn quality isn't good and the speech is rather distant and 'empty'. I'm trying to find ways to improve the quality. I know I will never be able to get great sound. I can edit out the worst of the artifacts and use a noise reduction filter. Are there some other suggestions for things I could do to improve the sound quality? MY son is working on a iMac with FCE. On a PC, I am using Sony Sound Forge 9 and Cubase LE for audio editing.

Thanks.

Renton Maclachlan · May 7th, 2008, 04:37 AM

Was a recording taken by anyone from the sound board? If so can you get a copy?

Nick Birkett · May 7th, 2008, 04:48 AM

Unfortunately, no. The sound board was used to provide the live auditorium feed but no-one took a recording from it:(

Rick L. Allen · May 7th, 2008, 05:03 AM

Sorry Nick, there isn't much you can do. The possible solutions you offer up are all you've got. Audio is unforgiving and the most overlooked part of video. Chalk this one up to experience and take a feed from the board and/or use a real shotgun mic next time.

Steve House · May 7th, 2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick L. Allen

Sorry Nick, there isn't much you can do. The possible solutions you offer up are all you've got. Audio is unforgiving and the most overlooked part of video. Chalk this one up to experience and take a feed from the board and/or use a real shotgun mic next time.

Good advice except for the part to get a real shotgun. Even the best shotgun on the market is still going to sound pretty lousy if used from a camera position at the back of the theatre. Contrary to myth, shotguns are NOT like a telephoto lens capturing distant sounds and magnifying them and even they need to be within a few feet of the source to do a very good job. From the back of the room nothing is going to work very well.

Rick L. Allen · May 7th, 2008, 07:25 AM

Steve, agreed. But it was pretty obvious from the post that actually getting sound correctly wasn't in the cards and a shotgun mic(s) placed near the stage would have been infinitely better than the camera mic at the back of the room. A board feed would have been even better than that.

Steve House · May 7th, 2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick L. Allen

Steve, agreed. But it was pretty obvious from the post that actually getting sound correctly wasn't in the cards and a shotgun mic(s) placed near the stage would have been infinitely better than the camera mic at the back of the room. A board feed would have been even better than that.

I agree - just your initial wording implied that replacing the stock in-camera mic with a shotgun without changing the position would have made it better. A shotgun near the stage, yes. A shotgun at the back of the room on or alongside the camera, no.

Nick Birkett · May 7th, 2008, 12:25 PM

Thanks for the suggestions. I understand that they make the most sense to get good quality sound. But, sometimes you've got to go with what you've got, not what you want. We'll try for a better set-up in the future.

Steve House · May 7th, 2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Birkett

Thanks for the suggestions. I understand that they make the most sense to get good quality sound. But, sometimes you've got to go with what you've got, not what you want. We'll try for a better set-up in the future.

As Rick said, at this stage there's not much you can do to make it any better than what it already is except resolve to do it differently next time. While there exist tools to clean up audio that has some sorts of noise in it, adjust tonal balance, add reverb, etc, there just aren't any tools that can take a bad recording and remove the 'badness.'

Jimmy Tuffrey · May 7th, 2008, 03:33 PM

PZM mic would be best if you just want something to pick up everything on stage.
Try and cushion it from footsteps and vibrations.

Crown pcc160 is a good one to go for.

Theatre shows sometimes stick them out to add ambiance to close mic'ed/lav'ed actors.

Two across the front of the stage will even give you stereo! Should work well for you in this situation.

May 7th, 2008, 04:33 AM	#1
Nick Birkett New Boot Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 14	Improving sound quality for video using camcorder mic My son recorded a video of a school play on a Sony camcorder. The actors wore lavs but he had no access to the mixing board. Hence, the sound was recorded using the built-in mic (16 bit) from his location at the back of the auditorium. Needless-to-say, the soudn quality isn't good and the speech is rather distant and 'empty'. I'm trying to find ways to improve the quality. I know I will never be able to get great sound. I can edit out the worst of the artifacts and use a noise reduction filter. Are there some other suggestions for things I could do to improve the sound quality? MY son is working on a iMac with FCE. On a PC, I am using Sony Sound Forge 9 and Cubase LE for audio editing. Thanks.

May 7th, 2008, 05:03 AM	#4
Rick L. Allen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 536	Sorry Nick, there isn't much you can do. The possible solutions you offer up are all you've got. Audio is unforgiving and the most overlooked part of video. Chalk this one up to experience and take a feed from the board and/or use a real shotgun mic next time. __________________ "The good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not." Neil deGrasse Tyson https://www.nautilusproductions.com/

May 7th, 2008, 07:25 AM	#6
Rick L. Allen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 536	Steve, agreed. But it was pretty obvious from the post that actually getting sound correctly wasn't in the cards and a shotgun mic(s) placed near the stage would have been infinitely better than the camera mic at the back of the room. A board feed would have been even better than that. __________________ "The good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not." Neil deGrasse Tyson https://www.nautilusproductions.com/

May 7th, 2008, 04:37 AM	#2
Renton Maclachlan Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,180	Was a recording taken by anyone from the sound board? If so can you get a copy?

May 7th, 2008, 04:48 AM	#3
Nick Birkett New Boot Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 14	Unfortunately, no. The sound board was used to provide the live auditorium feed but no-one took a recording from it:(

May 7th, 2008, 12:25 PM	#8
Nick Birkett New Boot Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 14	Thanks for the suggestions. I understand that they make the most sense to get good quality sound. But, sometimes you've got to go with what you've got, not what you want. We'll try for a better set-up in the future.

May 7th, 2008, 03:33 PM	#10
Jimmy Tuffrey Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bristol U.K. Posts: 244	PZM mic would be best if you just want something to pick up everything on stage. Try and cushion it from footsteps and vibrations. Crown pcc160 is a good one to go for. Theatre shows sometimes stick them out to add ambiance to close mic'ed/lav'ed actors. Two across the front of the stage will even give you stereo! Should work well for you in this situation.