Narration on a laptop: Mic and Sound Card Suggestions? at DVinfo.net

Scott Thibodeau · March 24th, 2008, 12:16 PM

Hey all,

Last year I shot a little travel doc on the U.S. cruising the west coast and southern U.S. in my 1973 VW bus. There are quite a few people in the VW community interested in it so I'm starting to edit everything together.

My home computer is an HP Notebook bought last year. I don't have the specs handy but it's fairly new. I was wondering if someone could suggest a decent mic and perhaps a sound card that would plug into my USB ports. I want to use it for narration and realize the on board mic is not really built for anything of quality.

On a side note, should I record the voice overs right into Premiere or use another piece of software and import it? Just curious as I'm fairly new to this. Thanks in advance.

Scott

Jimmy Tuffrey · March 24th, 2008, 08:16 PM

Try a Nuemann TLM103 with an SE Reflection Filter and pop shield.

And I'll let someone else suggest the sound card...

Although I would suggest an Mbox2 with the Bomb Factory compressor and digidesign noise gate plugins in Pro Tools.

Problem is that setting up the gate, compressor and limiter is the really hard bit.

And that implies that the recording and mic placement are at least satisfactory. It is worth trying to do it right though. If you project is a serious one then I hope this serious answer is helpful.

Hsien Yong · March 24th, 2008, 08:43 PM

For a sound card. Maybe you could consider a M-audio Fastrackusb?
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_u...kUSB-main.html

Bill Davis · March 25th, 2008, 02:08 AM

If you've got a few days to wait, I got a "shipped today" notice from Markertek a little gizmo I ordered that purports to be a phantom powered mic preamp and level control built into what looks like an XLR barrel connector.

They claim zero latency and excellent audio quality.

I'll be trying it with my TLM-103 on a series of voiceovers next week.

Mic plugged into the barrel gizmo then USB out of that direct into my laptop.

As soon as I try it out I'll let you know how it works, but I'm hoping it can make field VO work a WHOLE lot easier since I won't have to take a separate Pre-amp and/or mixer along.

It even has a headphone out built right into the barrel.

We'll see.

Scott Thibodeau · March 25th, 2008, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Davis

If you've got a few days to wait, I got a "shipped today" notice from Markertek a little gizmo I ordered that purports to be a phantom powered mic preamp and level control built into what looks like an XLR barrel connector.

They claim zero latency and excellent audio quality.

I'll be trying it with my TLM-103 on a series of voiceovers next week.

Mic plugged into the barrel gizmo then USB out of that direct into my laptop.

As soon as I try it out I'll let you know how it works, but I'm hoping it can make field VO work a WHOLE lot easier since I won't have to take a separate Pre-amp and/or mixer along.

It even has a headphone out built right into the barrel.

We'll see.

I'm not in a hurry so I'll wait to hear from you. Thanks a lot. I really appreciate the info.

Scott Thibodeau · March 25th, 2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hsien Yong

For a sound card. Maybe you could consider a M-audio Fastrackusb?
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_u...kUSB-main.html

Looks interesting and the price is right as well. Cheers.

Scott Thibodeau · March 25th, 2008, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Tuffrey

Try a Nuemann TLM103 with an SE Reflection Filter and pop shield.

And I'll let someone else suggest the sound card...

Although I would suggest an Mbox2 with the Bomb Factory compressor and digidesign noise gate plugins in Pro Tools.

Problem is that setting up the gate, compressor and limiter is the really hard bit.

And that implies that the recording and mic placement are at least satisfactory. It is worth trying to do it right though. If you project is a serious one then I hope this serious answer is helpful.

Bit pricey for me although it looks groovy. Something for me to look into if I actually make a few bones off of these DVD's. Thanks for the info though!

Scott

Toenis Liivamaegi · March 25th, 2008, 12:17 PM

I`ve always wondered how one can have laptop or any computer humming alongside narration. You need some isolation from the fan noise but if you leave the laptop to another room and monitor via headphones you might get quite noiseless sound...
I have Editol FA 66 that has quiet pre amps and 48V phantom but I must run cables to another room to get rid of the fan noises my PC creates.

T

Bill Mecca · March 25th, 2008, 02:18 PM

anyone of the inexpensive USB mics might do it for you. and a small collapsible box lined with acoustic foam in which to place the mic while recording will elimnate much of the room sounds(pc fan).

i.e. Blue's Snowball, the Samson, or AT's 2020 is now USB.

Scott Thibodeau · March 25th, 2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toenis Liivamaegi

I`ve always wondered how one can have laptop or any computer humming alongside narration. You need some isolation from the fan noise but if you leave the laptop to another room and monitor via headphones you might get quite noiseless sound...
I have Editol FA 66 that has quiet pre amps and 48V phantom but I must run cables to another room to get rid of the fan noises my PC creates.

T

Thanks for the advice. That's a very good point and something that I'll look into as well.

Bill Davis · March 31st, 2008, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Thibodeau

I'm not in a hurry so I'll wait to hear from you. Thanks a lot. I really appreciate the info.

It took a while to arrive but the Centrance MicPort Pro came via UPS on Friday.

Initial impression is that it's pretty well built.

I've been on delivery deadline on a video so I haven't had the chance to do more than unpack and look it over yet, but hopefully I'll steal time on Monday.

I have high hopes for this. Up to this point, I haven't found anything that does a single channel of mic to laptop recording in a simple and convenient form factor.

Perhaps this is it.

Stay tuned.

Scott Thibodeau · March 31st, 2008, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Davis

It took a while to arrive but the Centrance MicPort Pro came via UPS on Friday.

Initial impression is that it's pretty well built.

I've been on delivery deadline on a video so I haven't had the chance to do more than unpack and look it over yet, but hopefully I'll steal time on Monday.

I have high hopes for this. Up to this point, I haven't found anything that does a single channel of mic to laptop recording in a simple and convenient form factor.

Perhaps this is it.

Stay tuned.

Looking forward to hearing all about it. Thanks for taking the time to post a reply.

Scott Thibodeau · March 31st, 2008, 09:11 AM

I got some info from a local video/audio specialty store. The guy in the audio department seemed fairly knowledgeable. I did tell him that I was on a limited budget and that this wasn't some BBC documentary or anything so he pointed me in the direction of:

a) M-Audio USB preamp. Something like this:

http://www.m-audio.com/images/en/cal...B_callouts.jpg

For a mic he recommended an AKG Perception 100 or 200.

http://www.akg.com/site/products/pow...nguage,EN.html

Bill Davis · April 2nd, 2008, 02:27 AM

OK, I said I'd do a quick review of The Centrance MicPort Pro when it arrived.

This isn't formal testing, just initial impressions.

The unit is about 4 inches long and about an inch in diameter –like a typical XLR barrel pad or connector. The unit’s got a nice matte black finish and feels weighty and substantial in the hand.

At one end is a standard XLR-female connector, ready to plug directly into the base of a balanced microphone. No cables, no adaptors, no power supply, no hassles.

At the base of the XLR connector is a clear plastic collar. When the unit has a proper connection to a standard computer USB port – this collar glows telling you the unit is receiving USB power. That power is then adapted by the unit to provide 48V phantom power to condenser mics should they require it.

On the body of the mic there are two pots – one for mic level control and the other for headphone gain.

The base of the unit is a bit crowded with a mini-USB connection, a tiny 48v phantom power pushbutton switch with a tiny LED to show when it’s on, and a standard mini-headphone jack.

It makes for a VERY compact package that can replace a small mixer and a slew of cables for basic VO or other single channel recording.

It’s a very clever design.

But how does it work?

Very well, actually.

It has some design quibbles I’ll mention later, but after plugging it into my main VO mic – a Neumann TLM-103 - and hooking the provided USB cable to my MacBook – I was able to launch Audacity and was tracking voiceovers less than two minutes after I opened the package.

The headphone gain is ample – driving a pair of Sony 7506s to robust volume with the knob set well under the halfway point.

The unit’s web and paper descriptions also trumpet zero latency monitoring and it delivers just that. What goes in the mic is in your cans instantly, clearly, very cleanly, and without delay.

The mic gain is similarly robust.

I used not only my Neumann, but a Sony ECM-672, and a variety of lower output dynamic mics including a Shure SM-57 and Sennheiser MD-421U and the MicPort had no problems with each.

I was going to post some samples, but I've been having some issues with some hiss on the USB input port of my MacBook - I don't lay these on the MicPort Pro because I was hearing this recently with another USB input device, so I'm betting I've got a laptop input issue.

I'll try the new MacBook Air I bought for my wife when I have time, and I'm betting this particular issue goes away.

So in terms of its basic function and design, the MicPort Pro appears to be a winner.

This thing is ideal for VO work on the fly and I expect it will also find use in other field recording situations.

I mentioned that I did have some quibbles and I’ll admit the unit’s current design might not be perfect.

The base is crowded. If you forget to hit the Phantom power button before you plug in your headphones, you have to unplug them to get at the button. A minor distraction.

Also, while the mini-USB plug fits firmly enough, I found myself inadvertently knocking it out a at least twice while I was using the mic. So if you use this a lot, you might consider looking for a way to provide some strain relief for the hanging USB and phones cables, perhaps judiciously wrapped rubber band or something similar to take the cable stress off.

But the unit is clearly designed for quick field recording and none of these factors diminish the fact that this is a new tool and, for me, a very welcome one.

If anyone else goes this route, I'd enjoy hearing your experiences.

Scott Thibodeau · April 2nd, 2008, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Davis

OK, I said I'd do a quick review of The Centrance MicPort Pro when it arrived.

<SNIP>

If anyone else goes this route, I'd enjoy hearing your experiences.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the detailed and comprehensive review. I'm hoping to hit the road again within the year and with the limited amount of space on my little VW campers table something like this would really come in handy. Nice to know that there isn't a huge loss in quality due to its size. I'll be asking the local AV people about this one. Thanks again for the detailed review. Much appreciated.

March 24th, 2008, 12:16 PM	#1
Scott Thibodeau Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Winnipeg Manitoba Posts: 96	Narration on a laptop: Mic and Sound Card Suggestions? Hey all, Last year I shot a little travel doc on the U.S. cruising the west coast and southern U.S. in my 1973 VW bus. There are quite a few people in the VW community interested in it so I'm starting to edit everything together. My home computer is an HP Notebook bought last year. I don't have the specs handy but it's fairly new. I was wondering if someone could suggest a decent mic and perhaps a sound card that would plug into my USB ports. I want to use it for narration and realize the on board mic is not really built for anything of quality. On a side note, should I record the voice overs right into Premiere or use another piece of software and import it? Just curious as I'm fairly new to this. Thanks in advance. Scott

March 25th, 2008, 02:18 PM	#9
Bill Mecca Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 475	anyone of the inexpensive USB mics might do it for you. and a small collapsible box lined with acoustic foam in which to place the mic while recording will elimnate much of the room sounds(pc fan). i.e. Blue's Snowball, the Samson, or AT's 2020 is now USB. __________________ Award-winning Pine Barrens Documentary! Video, Audio, Music & More

March 24th, 2008, 08:16 PM	#2
Jimmy Tuffrey Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bristol U.K. Posts: 244	Try a Nuemann TLM103 with an SE Reflection Filter and pop shield. And I'll let someone else suggest the sound card... Although I would suggest an Mbox2 with the Bomb Factory compressor and digidesign noise gate plugins in Pro Tools. Problem is that setting up the gate, compressor and limiter is the really hard bit. And that implies that the recording and mic placement are at least satisfactory. It is worth trying to do it right though. If you project is a serious one then I hope this serious answer is helpful.

March 24th, 2008, 08:43 PM	#3
Hsien Yong Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 111	For a sound card. Maybe you could consider a M-audio Fastrackusb? http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_u...kUSB-main.html

March 25th, 2008, 02:08 AM	#4
Bill Davis Trustee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Posts: 1,538	If you've got a few days to wait, I got a "shipped today" notice from Markertek a little gizmo I ordered that purports to be a phantom powered mic preamp and level control built into what looks like an XLR barrel connector. They claim zero latency and excellent audio quality. I'll be trying it with my TLM-103 on a series of voiceovers next week. Mic plugged into the barrel gizmo then USB out of that direct into my laptop. As soon as I try it out I'll let you know how it works, but I'm hoping it can make field VO work a WHOLE lot easier since I won't have to take a separate Pre-amp and/or mixer along. It even has a headphone out built right into the barrel. We'll see.

March 25th, 2008, 12:17 PM	#8
Toenis Liivamaegi Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tartu, Estonia Posts: 579	I`ve always wondered how one can have laptop or any computer humming alongside narration. You need some isolation from the fan noise but if you leave the laptop to another room and monitor via headphones you might get quite noiseless sound... I have Editol FA 66 that has quiet pre amps and 48V phantom but I must run cables to another room to get rid of the fan noises my PC creates. T

March 31st, 2008, 09:11 AM	#13
Scott Thibodeau Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Winnipeg Manitoba Posts: 96	I got some info from a local video/audio specialty store. The guy in the audio department seemed fairly knowledgeable. I did tell him that I was on a limited budget and that this wasn't some BBC documentary or anything so he pointed me in the direction of: a) M-Audio USB preamp. Something like this: http://www.m-audio.com/images/en/cal...B_callouts.jpg For a mic he recommended an AKG Perception 100 or 200. http://www.akg.com/site/products/pow...nguage,EN.html

April 2nd, 2008, 02:27 AM	#14
Bill Davis Trustee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Posts: 1,538	OK, I said I'd do a quick review of The Centrance MicPort Pro when it arrived. This isn't formal testing, just initial impressions. The unit is about 4 inches long and about an inch in diameter –like a typical XLR barrel pad or connector. The unit’s got a nice matte black finish and feels weighty and substantial in the hand. At one end is a standard XLR-female connector, ready to plug directly into the base of a balanced microphone. No cables, no adaptors, no power supply, no hassles. At the base of the XLR connector is a clear plastic collar. When the unit has a proper connection to a standard computer USB port – this collar glows telling you the unit is receiving USB power. That power is then adapted by the unit to provide 48V phantom power to condenser mics should they require it. On the body of the mic there are two pots – one for mic level control and the other for headphone gain. The base of the unit is a bit crowded with a mini-USB connection, a tiny 48v phantom power pushbutton switch with a tiny LED to show when it’s on, and a standard mini-headphone jack. It makes for a VERY compact package that can replace a small mixer and a slew of cables for basic VO or other single channel recording. It’s a very clever design. But how does it work? Very well, actually. It has some design quibbles I’ll mention later, but after plugging it into my main VO mic – a Neumann TLM-103 - and hooking the provided USB cable to my MacBook – I was able to launch Audacity and was tracking voiceovers less than two minutes after I opened the package. The headphone gain is ample – driving a pair of Sony 7506s to robust volume with the knob set well under the halfway point. The unit’s web and paper descriptions also trumpet zero latency monitoring and it delivers just that. What goes in the mic is in your cans instantly, clearly, very cleanly, and without delay. The mic gain is similarly robust. I used not only my Neumann, but a Sony ECM-672, and a variety of lower output dynamic mics including a Shure SM-57 and Sennheiser MD-421U and the MicPort had no problems with each. I was going to post some samples, but I've been having some issues with some hiss on the USB input port of my MacBook - I don't lay these on the MicPort Pro because I was hearing this recently with another USB input device, so I'm betting I've got a laptop input issue. I'll try the new MacBook Air I bought for my wife when I have time, and I'm betting this particular issue goes away. So in terms of its basic function and design, the MicPort Pro appears to be a winner. This thing is ideal for VO work on the fly and I expect it will also find use in other field recording situations. I mentioned that I did have some quibbles and I’ll admit the unit’s current design might not be perfect. The base is crowded. If you forget to hit the Phantom power button before you plug in your headphones, you have to unplug them to get at the button. A minor distraction. Also, while the mini-USB plug fits firmly enough, I found myself inadvertently knocking it out a at least twice while I was using the mic. So if you use this a lot, you might consider looking for a way to provide some strain relief for the hanging USB and phones cables, perhaps judiciously wrapped rubber band or something similar to take the cable stress off. But the unit is clearly designed for quick field recording and none of these factors diminish the fact that this is a new tool and, for me, a very welcome one. If anyone else goes this route, I'd enjoy hearing your experiences.