New Marantz Professional Field Recorder at DVinfo.net

Marty Wein · July 6th, 2003, 04:17 PM

Marantz introduced a new professional solid-state recorder PMD-670, which I think will be a hot piece for the documentary and the ENG/EFP industry. It has all the professional features you need, like Dual phantom power, compressed or uncompressed (DAT quality) recording, long battery life, direct connection to a computer plus lots of other great features.

The recorder uses Compact flash type cards and is compatible with the IBM Microdrive that can handle up to gig (if not more). However, after doing some research, I think that the best way to use it would be to buy only a 640MB card along with a portable Compact Flash to CD recorder that is battery operated and does NOT Require a computer, so you can transfer your files to a CD on the fly, empty the card and continue recording. A Compact Flash to CD recorder is only about $299

The PMD-670 Lists for $899

http://www.marantzpro.com/Products/PMD670.html

http://www.marantz.com/p_product.cfm?id=2418&cont=e&line=prd&cat=pro

Don Berube · July 6th, 2003, 07:36 PM

Yes these are cool, played with them at InfoCom 2003. I'll take a couple please.

Originally posted June 25, 2003:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...solid+state+CF

Check these two solid state CF recorders from Marantz:
http://www.marantzpro.com/Products/PMD680.html
http://www.marantzpro.com/Products/PMD690.html

Pretty cool and under $1000 I believe.

And, from Denon:
http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/ph...F20R%2Ejpg&c=47
http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/DNF20RLIT.pdf

Nice.

- don

Marty Wein · July 6th, 2003, 09:53 PM

What was originally posted on Jun-25 where the old model's PMD-680/690. The PMD-680 "under a $1000" did not have Stereo Recording.

The NEW model also supports many other file formats, the AA batteries will last almost a days worth of shooting and some other differences.

Therefore I do believe that this model offers greater versatility for people who are looking for another source for there audio recording and/or are doing NLE.

While MD is a cost effective choice, most MD recorders in the lower price range (under a $1000) do not have decent MIC PRE's or XLR's and also do not offer "digital out" which means that if you want to transfer the file to a computer, it has to be converted from Digital to Analog and back to Digital.

Bryan Beasleigh · July 7th, 2003, 12:42 AM

The 670 is being advertised as low as $698US

Christopher Go · July 7th, 2003, 02:21 AM

Cost aside, which is better you think? This Marantz recorder, the HHB Mini Disc recorder, or a Tascam DAT?

Marty Wein · July 7th, 2003, 05:00 AM

As far as audio quality, I don't think there will be a different between DAT and the new Marantz PMD 670, and it's definitely better then MD. However, the Marantz will have to prove itself as being a reliable unit in order for it to take over the DAT market.

As far as the quality of the Mic Pre's, Marantz is not new to this industry, in fact their cassette recorders are industry standard, and while it may not be the Nagra quality I believe that it will be as good as the Tascam +/-

The only downside to the Marantz "so far", is that the media is still a little too expansive. This is the reason why in my original post I wrote about the CD backup. Since on a stand-alone CD recorder you can backup up to a 640MB card, CD's are cheap and quite reliable.

If you are carrying a laptop, you can use even higher capacity CF cards since you can backup alot more at once.

I would like to hear all arguments.

Scott Osborne · July 7th, 2003, 09:15 PM

Thanks for posting I was getting ready to order a HHB minidisc recorder out of flustration with consumer units. Now I think I will save $600 bucks and order this one.

One question that I have is if ATRAC is better or worst than the MP2 codec that they offer.I would love to use PCM to record but man it really kills the Flash card according to the list of times that Marantz posted. But then again for weddings is 48kHz PCM really neccasry? Does anyone think there would be something to gain by using uncompressed audio? I personally like the idea of poping in a 512meg card and recording the entire DJ directly from the line out of his console. Changing the Disc every hour is certainly a big PIA.

Thanks
Scott

Marty Wein · July 8th, 2003, 04:56 AM

First you should check what file formats your editing software supports.

ATRAC at the High Quality setting is better then MP2, But MP3 At the higher rate is probably better the ATRAC. Unless you have a real trained ear you will not hear the difference between DAT and MP3 or ATRAC (if recorded at the higher bitrate).

For what you are doing, I would record in MP3 at 256kbps and you will get over 4 hours of high quality sound on a 512mb card.

You can get up to 7 hrs if you select 160kbps and still get excellent quality sound.

If you want to know more about ATRAC vs. MP3 please check out http://www.minidisc.org/

BTW: I just checked and I found that Marantz posted a new .pdf on their site, which has a little more specs.
http://www.marantzpro.com/Products/docs/PMD670lit.pdf

Scott Osborne · July 8th, 2003, 08:18 AM

I do all of my audio editing in Steinberg Cubase SX so I can support any file format.

Forgive my if I am wrong but isnt MP3 Mpeg1 layer 3. And isnt MP2 Mpeg2. If this ia true wouldnt Mp2 at 384 bitrate provide the best sound quality.

As far as quality goes I am not so worried about myself. I usually can tell the difference between a Mp3 and a 48 kHz 16 or 20 bit PCM recording. I am worried about clients. After all there paying for it.

I am suprised that Marantz isnt offering a 24/96 recording mode for it. It would make a nice little "mini studio" for recording away from the house.

Marty Wein · July 8th, 2003, 05:50 PM

Scott
MP2 vs MP3....

I found a couple of links that you may find interesting.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/archive/t154398.html
http://www.mp3clubpro.com/english/techniques_en.html
http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/digests/V5.600/D611#Msg12

Scott Osborne · July 8th, 2003, 06:29 PM

That was quite fascinating. took some of the "sorcery" out of audio codecs. However I think that I have more questions now than before and very few of them have clear defined answers. Mainly because like so many things in the audio world this is all subjective to the listners ear. As I stated earlier Mpeg1 Layer 2 seems to be the best but only at extreme high bitrates such as 320 or 384. But then again is there a large enough difference between that and Mpeg1 Layer 3s ' "sweet spot" 128-196 kbps. Would there be a disearnable seperation in the audio quality at these settings. I guess the only person that can answer that question is myself. So many things in audio seem to be based on personal tastes.

My question about the clients seems to be answered. As one article stated. Broadcast radio stations have been using MP3s for sometime now. I rarely hear the layman complaining about the acoustical dynamics of there radio signal.

Thanks for the wonderful links,

Christopher Go · July 11th, 2003, 04:18 AM

Anyone purchase one yet? Any recommendations on where to obtain media for it?

Marty Wein · July 11th, 2003, 09:41 AM

It utilizes standard Compact Flash Cards/Media that you can find in any computer and/or photo store.

Christopher Go · July 11th, 2003, 09:22 PM

Thanks, Marty - I also meant to add which brands to look out for or avoid for this kind of media. I have no experience with them. I was wondering if there was any place that sold them at a good price too.

Marty Wein · July 12th, 2003, 09:05 PM

Just to name a few, Sandisk and Lexar I would feel comfortable with. I am sure that there are other good brands out there.

July 6th, 2003, 04:17 PM	#1
Marty Wein Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 229	New Marantz Professional Field Recorder Marantz introduced a new professional solid-state recorder PMD-670, which I think will be a hot piece for the documentary and the ENG/EFP industry. It has all the professional features you need, like Dual phantom power, compressed or uncompressed (DAT quality) recording, long battery life, direct connection to a computer plus lots of other great features. The recorder uses Compact flash type cards and is compatible with the IBM Microdrive that can handle up to gig (if not more). However, after doing some research, I think that the best way to use it would be to buy only a 640MB card along with a portable Compact Flash to CD recorder that is battery operated and does NOT Require a computer, so you can transfer your files to a CD on the fly, empty the card and continue recording. A Compact Flash to CD recorder is only about $299 The PMD-670 Lists for $899 http://www.marantzpro.com/Products/PMD670.html http://www.marantz.com/p_product.cfm?id=2418&cont=e&line=prd&cat=pro

July 6th, 2003, 07:36 PM	#2
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	Yes these are cool, played with them at InfoCom 2003. I'll take a couple please. Originally posted June 25, 2003: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...solid+state+CF Check these two solid state CF recorders from Marantz: http://www.marantzpro.com/Products/PMD680.html http://www.marantzpro.com/Products/PMD690.html Pretty cool and under $1000 I believe. And, from Denon: http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/ph...F20R%2Ejpg&c=47 http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/DNF20RLIT.pdf Nice. - don __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

July 7th, 2003, 09:15 PM	#7
Scott Osborne Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rochester NY Posts: 116	Thanks for posting I was getting ready to order a HHB minidisc recorder out of flustration with consumer units. Now I think I will save $600 bucks and order this one. One question that I have is if ATRAC is better or worst than the MP2 codec that they offer.I would love to use PCM to record but man it really kills the Flash card according to the list of times that Marantz posted. But then again for weddings is 48kHz PCM really neccasry? Does anyone think there would be something to gain by using uncompressed audio? I personally like the idea of poping in a 512meg card and recording the entire DJ directly from the line out of his console. Changing the Disc every hour is certainly a big PIA. Thanks Scott __________________ Scott Osborne Infinite Video Productions

July 8th, 2003, 08:18 AM	#9
Scott Osborne Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rochester NY Posts: 116	I do all of my audio editing in Steinberg Cubase SX so I can support any file format. Forgive my if I am wrong but isnt MP3 Mpeg1 layer 3. And isnt MP2 Mpeg2. If this ia true wouldnt Mp2 at 384 bitrate provide the best sound quality. As far as quality goes I am not so worried about myself. I usually can tell the difference between a Mp3 and a 48 kHz 16 or 20 bit PCM recording. I am worried about clients. After all there paying for it. I am suprised that Marantz isnt offering a 24/96 recording mode for it. It would make a nice little "mini studio" for recording away from the house. __________________ Scott Osborne Infinite Video Productions

July 8th, 2003, 06:29 PM	#11
Scott Osborne Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rochester NY Posts: 116	That was quite fascinating. took some of the "sorcery" out of audio codecs. However I think that I have more questions now than before and very few of them have clear defined answers. Mainly because like so many things in the audio world this is all subjective to the listners ear. As I stated earlier Mpeg1 Layer 2 seems to be the best but only at extreme high bitrates such as 320 or 384. But then again is there a large enough difference between that and Mpeg1 Layer 3s ' "sweet spot" 128-196 kbps. Would there be a disearnable seperation in the audio quality at these settings. I guess the only person that can answer that question is myself. So many things in audio seem to be based on personal tastes. My question about the clients seems to be answered. As one article stated. Broadcast radio stations have been using MP3s for sometime now. I rarely hear the layman complaining about the acoustical dynamics of there radio signal. Thanks for the wonderful links, __________________ Scott Osborne Infinite Video Productions

July 6th, 2003, 09:53 PM	#3
Marty Wein Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 229	What was originally posted on Jun-25 where the old model's PMD-680/690. The PMD-680 "under a $1000" did not have Stereo Recording. The NEW model also supports many other file formats, the AA batteries will last almost a days worth of shooting and some other differences. Therefore I do believe that this model offers greater versatility for people who are looking for another source for there audio recording and/or are doing NLE. While MD is a cost effective choice, most MD recorders in the lower price range (under a $1000) do not have decent MIC PRE's or XLR's and also do not offer "digital out" which means that if you want to transfer the file to a computer, it has to be converted from Digital to Analog and back to Digital.

July 7th, 2003, 12:42 AM	#4
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	The 670 is being advertised as low as $698US

July 7th, 2003, 02:21 AM	#5
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	Cost aside, which is better you think? This Marantz recorder, the HHB Mini Disc recorder, or a Tascam DAT?

July 7th, 2003, 05:00 AM	#6
Marty Wein Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 229	As far as audio quality, I don't think there will be a different between DAT and the new Marantz PMD 670, and it's definitely better then MD. However, the Marantz will have to prove itself as being a reliable unit in order for it to take over the DAT market. As far as the quality of the Mic Pre's, Marantz is not new to this industry, in fact their cassette recorders are industry standard, and while it may not be the Nagra quality I believe that it will be as good as the Tascam +/- The only downside to the Marantz "so far", is that the media is still a little too expansive. This is the reason why in my original post I wrote about the CD backup. Since on a stand-alone CD recorder you can backup up to a 640MB card, CD's are cheap and quite reliable. If you are carrying a laptop, you can use even higher capacity CF cards since you can backup alot more at once. I would like to hear all arguments.

July 8th, 2003, 04:56 AM	#8
Marty Wein Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 229	First you should check what file formats your editing software supports. ATRAC at the High Quality setting is better then MP2, But MP3 At the higher rate is probably better the ATRAC. Unless you have a real trained ear you will not hear the difference between DAT and MP3 or ATRAC (if recorded at the higher bitrate). For what you are doing, I would record in MP3 at 256kbps and you will get over 4 hours of high quality sound on a 512mb card. You can get up to 7 hrs if you select 160kbps and still get excellent quality sound. If you want to know more about ATRAC vs. MP3 please check out http://www.minidisc.org/ BTW: I just checked and I found that Marantz posted a new .pdf on their site, which has a little more specs. http://www.marantzpro.com/Products/docs/PMD670lit.pdf

July 8th, 2003, 05:50 PM	#10
Marty Wein Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 229	Scott MP2 vs MP3.... I found a couple of links that you may find interesting. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3 http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/archive/t154398.html http://www.mp3clubpro.com/english/techniques_en.html http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/digests/V5.600/D611#Msg12

July 11th, 2003, 04:18 AM	#12
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	Anyone purchase one yet? Any recommendations on where to obtain media for it?

July 11th, 2003, 09:41 AM	#13
Marty Wein Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 229	It utilizes standard Compact Flash Cards/Media that you can find in any computer and/or photo store.

July 11th, 2003, 09:22 PM	#14
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	Thanks, Marty - I also meant to add which brands to look out for or avoid for this kind of media. I have no experience with them. I was wondering if there was any place that sold them at a good price too.

July 12th, 2003, 09:05 PM	#15
Marty Wein Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 229	Just to name a few, Sandisk and Lexar I would feel comfortable with. I am sure that there are other good brands out there.