Suspension for CMC641 at DVinfo.net

Dan Keaton · December 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM

I have a reasonable amount of experience with the Sennheiser MKH-60 with the full Rycote setup. I have the old style suspension. With this setup, I have no problems with handling noise.

I recently purchased the Schoeps CMC641 and a brand-new, but old style Rycote setup. I do not currently have a Schoeps Cut-1 filter.

I find this new setup to be extremely sensitive to handling noise. I am surprised by this, due to my experience with the MKH-60/Rycote setup.

If I reposition my hands, even just slightly, I can hear it in the audio. I am using a K-Tec graphite boom pole with an internally coiled cord.

If I just rotate my wrists (and not reposition my hands) there is no handling noise.

Is this normal, or could I have overlooked a setup problem with the suspension?

Will a Schoeps Cut-1 help?

I feel that the low cut filter built into the MKH-60 probably helps reduce or eliminate the handling noise.

Is there a better suspension that I could/should use?

Just to be clear, I love the Schoeps CMC641. I just used it on a four-day shoot and it was great. (I am using it with a Sound Devices 302 mixer.)

Jeffery Magat · December 22nd, 2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

I have a reasonable amount of experience with the Sennheiser MKH-60 with the full Rykote setup. I have the old style suspension. With this setup, I have no problems with handling noise.

I recently purchased the Schoeps CMC641 and a brand-new, but old style Rykote setup. I do not currently have a Schoeps Cut-1 filter.

I find this new setup to be extremely sensitive to handling noise. I am surprised by this, due to my experience with the MKH-60/Rykote setup.

If I reposition my hands, even just slightly, I can hear it in the audio. I am using a K-Tec graphite boom pole with an internally coiled cord.

If I just rotate my wrists (and not reposition my hands) there is no handling noise.

Is this normal, or could I have overlooked a setup problem with the suspension?

Will a Schoeps Cut-1 help?

I feel that the low cut filter built into the MKH-60 probably helps reduce or eliminate the handling noise.

Is there a better suspension that I could/should use?

Just to be clear, I love the Schoeps CMC641. I just used it on a four-day shoot and it was great. (I am using it with a Sound Devices 302 mixer.)

The CUT-1 does help, but nothing beats someone with quiet hands on a boom pole. A Rycote suspension should also be fine.

Seth Bloombaum · December 22nd, 2007, 11:10 PM

You might also try a pair of gloves, eg. the white cotton gloves sold at pro photography stores.

Daniel Epstein · December 23rd, 2007, 10:30 AM

Maybe I am too loud with my hands but I found the Schoeps to be very difficult to use for handheld boom work without the Cut 1 or using a lowcut on the mixer.

Marco Leavitt · December 23rd, 2007, 08:29 PM

You pretty much have to roll off the bass with the Scheops, at least I do. It's a very sensitive mic.

Dan Keaton · December 24th, 2007, 03:15 PM

Dear Jeffery, Seth, Daniel and Marco,

Thank you for your comments, I appreciate the feedback.

I feel that the Cut-1 will help. I never had any problem at all with the MKH-60, but it has a sharp low frequency cutoff.

I was wondering if it was my setup, or just inherent with the CMC641 since it is so sensitive. I was using it with the low-cut enabled on the SD 302.

Jeffery Magat · December 24th, 2007, 03:56 PM

Glad we could help.

Again, it will help, but in no way is it mandatory. Some mixers even refuse to use the CUT-1 because of the loss of low-end. That's the life of a boom op.

Marco Leavitt · December 24th, 2007, 08:18 PM

I've just been rolling off the base with the SoundDevices MM1 or the SD302. I don't think the Cut 1 is absolutely necessary, although I'd love to have one.

Ty Ford · December 24th, 2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

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I recently purchased the Schoeps CMC641 and a brand-new, but old style Rycote setup. I do not currently have a Schoeps Cut-1 filter.

I find this new setup to be extremely sensitive to handling noise. I am surprised by this, due to my experience with the MKH-60/Rycote setup.

I've not used the MKH 60 on my carbon fiber boom, but I have and use a 416 as well as a cmc641. I use a Rycote donut. I find them equally noisy. I can't say if the MKH 60 is less sensitive.

Regards,

Ty Ford

December 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM	#1
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Suspension for CMC641 I have a reasonable amount of experience with the Sennheiser MKH-60 with the full Rycote setup. I have the old style suspension. With this setup, I have no problems with handling noise. I recently purchased the Schoeps CMC641 and a brand-new, but old style Rycote setup. I do not currently have a Schoeps Cut-1 filter. I find this new setup to be extremely sensitive to handling noise. I am surprised by this, due to my experience with the MKH-60/Rycote setup. If I reposition my hands, even just slightly, I can hear it in the audio. I am using a K-Tec graphite boom pole with an internally coiled cord. If I just rotate my wrists (and not reposition my hands) there is no handling noise. Is this normal, or could I have overlooked a setup problem with the suspension? Will a Schoeps Cut-1 help? I feel that the low cut filter built into the MKH-60 probably helps reduce or eliminate the handling noise. Is there a better suspension that I could/should use? Just to be clear, I love the Schoeps CMC641. I just used it on a four-day shoot and it was great. (I am using it with a Sound Devices 302 mixer.) __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia Last edited by Dan Keaton; December 23rd, 2007 at 05:15 AM.

December 24th, 2007, 03:15 PM	#6
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Jeffery, Seth, Daniel and Marco, Thank you for your comments, I appreciate the feedback. I feel that the Cut-1 will help. I never had any problem at all with the MKH-60, but it has a sharp low frequency cutoff. I was wondering if it was my setup, or just inherent with the CMC641 since it is so sensitive. I was using it with the low-cut enabled on the SD 302. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

December 22nd, 2007, 11:10 PM	#3
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	You might also try a pair of gloves, eg. the white cotton gloves sold at pro photography stores.

December 23rd, 2007, 10:30 AM	#4
Daniel Epstein Trustee Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,267	Maybe I am too loud with my hands but I found the Schoeps to be very difficult to use for handheld boom work without the Cut 1 or using a lowcut on the mixer.

December 23rd, 2007, 08:29 PM	#5
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	You pretty much have to roll off the bass with the Scheops, at least I do. It's a very sensitive mic.

December 24th, 2007, 03:56 PM	#7
Jeffery Magat Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 186	Glad we could help. Again, it will help, but in no way is it mandatory. Some mixers even refuse to use the CUT-1 because of the loss of low-end. That's the life of a boom op.

December 24th, 2007, 08:18 PM	#8
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	I've just been rolling off the base with the SoundDevices MM1 or the SD302. I don't think the Cut 1 is absolutely necessary, although I'd love to have one.