Mini Stereo to XLR adapters at DVinfo.net

Kevin Dressner · December 4th, 2007, 06:30 PM

Can anyone recommend to me a brand name or site to buy a mini stereo (1/8") to XLR audio adapter? The only one I know of is Beachtek, just curious what other ones I should consider.

Anna Harmon · December 4th, 2007, 07:12 PM

You mean something like this?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...o_Male_to.html

Kevin Dressner · December 4th, 2007, 07:27 PM

In essence, that is what I was looking for. Isn't it better to use something like this?

http://www.beachtek.com/prod.html

My understanding was that using a device like this will result in better quality than a cable alone. Is this true? How much better is it really?

Spending $10 instead of $200 sounds nice... is it worth buying something like the link above?

Kevin Dressner · December 4th, 2007, 07:33 PM

I will be using a Canon HV20. I haven't nailed down the mic yet, probably something like this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...t_Shotgun.html

Michael Nistler · December 4th, 2007, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Dressner

I will be using a Canon HV20. I haven't nailed down the mic yet, probably something like this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...t_Shotgun.html

Hi Kevin,

Yes, if you're just looking to input a shotgun with XLR to 1/8" mini, than a simple hand-wired cable adapter like the one suggested by Anna is fine. The BeachTec serves an entirely different function (impedence matching, two channel stereo amplification/attenuation, etc).

Be sure to buy a 1/8" mini with a 90 elbow like the one Anna suggests and be sure to secure the cable to the camera (tape, velcro, etc). In the heat of video passion many of your brothers have broken off the connector in the camera - not a fun day unless you want to buy your camera an expensive gift of service/repair for the holiday!

Good luck, Michael

Bob Kerner · December 4th, 2007, 09:00 PM

Kevin,

I just learned the hard way that not all mini plugs are equal. The plug itself may be standardized, but the fitting (collar) that holds it may be an issue on the access panel for the HV 20. The collars on some plugs may be too large to fit in the narrow door of the HV 20. One I tried was so large that the least bit of cable movement caused it to be pulled out.

So I'd suggest trying it out in the shop if you can before laying out the money.

Bob

Ty Ford · December 5th, 2007, 06:15 AM

Hello Kevin,

The cable you need will be determined by the mic you choose.

The one Anna mentions will ONLY work with unbalanced stereo mics that use a three-pin XLR connector. Not many mics are made like that.

If you choose a mono mic, that cable will not work.

Azden? don't bother. Besides. It's a mono mic (so the cable Anna mentions will not work) and that Azden requires phantom power (which your camera does not supply).

My suggestion is to keep it as simple as possible. Because you have chosen a VERY small, consumer, hand held camera, your choices are very limited. Even a Rode VideoMic or Stereo Video Mic, either of which will work, almost rival the size of your camera.

If you can deal with the small size of your camera and the potential unwieldiness of the Rode mics, get either or both.

Regards,

Ty Ford

Kevin Dressner · December 5th, 2007, 04:55 PM

Is it worth using XLR at all? The Rode VideoMic is 1/8" (3.5mm).

What is an "unbalanced stereo mic"? (I'm mainly not sure about the unbalanced part)

What would be an example of a mic I could use with the cable Anna mentioned? Some mics run on a battery power rather than phantom power. I think I could use such a mic with my HV20.

I will be taking video of an orchestra concert in about a week and a half, so I'm looking for the best audio possible with my camcorder.

This mic is battery-powered:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...dioid_Mic.html

It has a short barrel and a long barrel. The problem? The short one is 8.4", and the longer one is a mile. That's going to look like overkill on my HV20. Which is ok. But shorter is better.

Would I have trouble with the tip of the mic showing up in the picture?

Kevin Dressner · December 5th, 2007, 04:56 PM

By the way, thanks so much for helping me out!!

Ty Ford · December 5th, 2007, 05:01 PM

[QUOTE=Kevin Dressner;787865]Is it worth using XLR at all? The Rode VideoMic is 1/8" (3.5mm).

>Not in my opinion

What is an "unbalanced stereo mic"? (I'm mainly not sure about the unbalanced part)

> unbalanced is two wires, balanced is three wires.

What would be an example of a mic I could use with the cable Anna mentioned? Some mics run on a battery power rather than phantom power. I think I could use such a mic with my HV20.

any stereo unbalanced mic with an XLR connector...not too many of them out there.

I will be taking video of an orchestra concert in about a week and a half, so I'm looking for the best audio possible with my camcorder.

This mic is battery-powered:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...dioid_Mic.html

It has a short barrel and a long barrel. The problem? The short one is 8.4", and the longer one is a mile. That's going to look like overkill on my HV20. Which is ok. But shorter is better.

Would I have trouble with the tip of the mic showing up in the picture?[/

\QUOTE]

Maybe you would see it. I don't much care for Azden gear.

Regards,

Ty Ford

Kevin Dressner · December 5th, 2007, 09:16 PM

Hmm, I'd really like to use XLR audio. That would also let me plug into a PA system when possible.

Some adapters:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...icrophone.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Dual_XLR.html

It doesn't look like either of these provide phantom power. Beachtek makes one that does, but it's about $250. It might be worth it to me.

Kevin Dressner · December 6th, 2007, 12:36 PM

Is a shotgun mic the best type for recording a concert?

If I did use 3.5mm, could I have a splitter on it? (1 input for a shotgun, 1 input for lav- not specifically for a concert)

Guy McLoughlin · December 6th, 2007, 04:22 PM

I've been using a BeachTek DXA-2s for my HV20 for the past 8 months, and I've been very happy with it. I bought a Sound Devices MixPre to power, amplify, and limit the audio I'm sending to the HV20.

If you don't want to add a pre-amp to the mix, then just buy self-powered mics like the Rode NTG-2 shotgun or Rode NT3 hyper-cardiod. Great sound at an afforable price.

You can always add the pre-amp later on if you want to get into the higher end condenser mics.

Ty Ford · December 6th, 2007, 05:44 PM

Kevin Dressner;788254]Is a shotgun mic the best type for recording a concert?

No.

If I did use 3.5mm, could I have a splitter on it? (1 input for a shotgun, 1 input for lav- not specifically for a concert)

Not necessarily.

Regards,

Ty

Kevin Dressner · December 6th, 2007, 10:16 PM

Thanks Guy. Does the DXA-2 have phantom power? I know beachtek makes one that does have that. I think it may be worth it.

December 4th, 2007, 06:30 PM	#1
Kevin Dressner Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United States Posts: 30	Mini Stereo to XLR adapters Can anyone recommend to me a brand name or site to buy a mini stereo (1/8") to XLR audio adapter? The only one I know of is Beachtek, just curious what other ones I should consider.

December 4th, 2007, 07:27 PM	#3
Kevin Dressner Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United States Posts: 30	Yes, but... In essence, that is what I was looking for. Isn't it better to use something like this? http://www.beachtek.com/prod.html My understanding was that using a device like this will result in better quality than a cable alone. Is this true? How much better is it really? Spending $10 instead of $200 sounds nice... is it worth buying something like the link above?

December 4th, 2007, 09:00 PM	#6
Bob Kerner Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York Posts: 388	Not all mini plugs are equal Kevin, I just learned the hard way that not all mini plugs are equal. The plug itself may be standardized, but the fitting (collar) that holds it may be an issue on the access panel for the HV 20. The collars on some plugs may be too large to fit in the narrow door of the HV 20. One I tried was so large that the least bit of cable movement caused it to be pulled out. So I'd suggest trying it out in the shop if you can before laying out the money. Bob

December 5th, 2007, 06:15 AM	#7
Ty Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 2,337	Hello Kevin, The cable you need will be determined by the mic you choose. The one Anna mentions will ONLY work with unbalanced stereo mics that use a three-pin XLR connector. Not many mics are made like that. If you choose a mono mic, that cable will not work. Azden? don't bother. Besides. It's a mono mic (so the cable Anna mentions will not work) and that Azden requires phantom power (which your camera does not supply). My suggestion is to keep it as simple as possible. Because you have chosen a VERY small, consumer, hand held camera, your choices are very limited. Even a Rode VideoMic or Stereo Video Mic, either of which will work, almost rival the size of your camera. If you can deal with the small size of your camera and the potential unwieldiness of the Rode mics, get either or both. Regards, Ty Ford __________________ Ty Ford's Audio Bootcamp Field Guide Ty Ford's Audio Video Blog

December 5th, 2007, 05:01 PM	#10
Ty Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 2,337	[QUOTE=Kevin Dressner;787865]Is it worth using XLR at all? The Rode VideoMic is 1/8" (3.5mm). >Not in my opinion What is an "unbalanced stereo mic"? (I'm mainly not sure about the unbalanced part) > unbalanced is two wires, balanced is three wires. What would be an example of a mic I could use with the cable Anna mentioned? Some mics run on a battery power rather than phantom power. I think I could use such a mic with my HV20. any stereo unbalanced mic with an XLR connector...not too many of them out there. I will be taking video of an orchestra concert in about a week and a half, so I'm looking for the best audio possible with my camcorder. This mic is battery-powered: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...dioid_Mic.html It has a short barrel and a long barrel. The problem? The short one is 8.4", and the longer one is a mile. That's going to look like overkill on my HV20. Which is ok. But shorter is better. Would I have trouble with the tip of the mic showing up in the picture?[/ \QUOTE] Maybe you would see it. I don't much care for Azden gear. Regards, Ty Ford __________________ Ty Ford's Audio Bootcamp Field Guide Ty Ford's Audio Video Blog

December 4th, 2007, 07:12 PM	#2
Anna Harmon Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 127	You mean something like this? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...o_Male_to.html

December 4th, 2007, 07:33 PM	#4
Kevin Dressner Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United States Posts: 30	I will be using a Canon HV20. I haven't nailed down the mic yet, probably something like this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...t_Shotgun.html

December 5th, 2007, 04:55 PM	#8
Kevin Dressner Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United States Posts: 30	Is it worth using XLR at all? The Rode VideoMic is 1/8" (3.5mm). What is an "unbalanced stereo mic"? (I'm mainly not sure about the unbalanced part) What would be an example of a mic I could use with the cable Anna mentioned? Some mics run on a battery power rather than phantom power. I think I could use such a mic with my HV20. I will be taking video of an orchestra concert in about a week and a half, so I'm looking for the best audio possible with my camcorder. This mic is battery-powered: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...dioid_Mic.html It has a short barrel and a long barrel. The problem? The short one is 8.4", and the longer one is a mile. That's going to look like overkill on my HV20. Which is ok. But shorter is better. Would I have trouble with the tip of the mic showing up in the picture?

December 5th, 2007, 04:56 PM	#9
Kevin Dressner Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United States Posts: 30	By the way, thanks so much for helping me out!!

December 5th, 2007, 09:16 PM	#11
Kevin Dressner Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United States Posts: 30	Hmm, I'd really like to use XLR audio. That would also let me plug into a PA system when possible. Some adapters: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...icrophone.html http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Dual_XLR.html It doesn't look like either of these provide phantom power. Beachtek makes one that does, but it's about $250. It might be worth it to me.

December 6th, 2007, 12:36 PM	#12
Kevin Dressner Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United States Posts: 30	Is a shotgun mic the best type for recording a concert? If I did use 3.5mm, could I have a splitter on it? (1 input for a shotgun, 1 input for lav- not specifically for a concert)

December 6th, 2007, 04:22 PM	#13
Guy McLoughlin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 287	I've been using a BeachTek DXA-2s for my HV20 for the past 8 months, and I've been very happy with it. I bought a Sound Devices MixPre to power, amplify, and limit the audio I'm sending to the HV20. If you don't want to add a pre-amp to the mix, then just buy self-powered mics like the Rode NTG-2 shotgun or Rode NT3 hyper-cardiod. Great sound at an afforable price. You can always add the pre-amp later on if you want to get into the higher end condenser mics.

December 6th, 2007, 05:44 PM	#14
Ty Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 2,337	Kevin Dressner;788254]Is a shotgun mic the best type for recording a concert? No. If I did use 3.5mm, could I have a splitter on it? (1 input for a shotgun, 1 input for lav- not specifically for a concert) Not necessarily. Regards, Ty __________________ Ty Ford's Audio Bootcamp Field Guide Ty Ford's Audio Video Blog

December 6th, 2007, 10:16 PM	#15
Kevin Dressner Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United States Posts: 30	Thanks Guy. Does the DXA-2 have phantom power? I know beachtek makes one that does have that. I think it may be worth it.