new firmware update

Ed David · August 5th, 2011, 01:36 PM

a new firmware update is available for the ki pro mini

also this is an excellent guide to let you connect the Ki Pro mini to your mac computer.
Updating the Firmware & Computer Controlling the AJA Ki Pro Deck Tom Guilmette – Director of Photography

thank you Tom!

Jon Thorn · August 5th, 2011, 05:03 PM

Ed D. - To avoid any confusion, users should visit the AJA website for the latest Ki Pro Mini firmware. The link and the information provided (while informative) is for the original Ki Pro product and I'm concerned users will be directed to the wrong location for the firmware for the Ki Pro Mini due to this. Just want to avoid confusion!

The Ki Pro Mini firmware can be found here:
Ki Pro Mini - AJA Video Systems

Information about the new features enabled in version 2.6 firmware can be found here:
http://www.aja.com/pdf/ReleaseNotes_KiProMini_v2.6.pdf

Instructions on how to install new firmware are found on page 57 and 58 of the Ki Pro Mini manual which is available from the AJA website at:
http://www.aja.com/pdf/AJA_Ki_Pro_Mini_Manual_v2.6.pdf

Hope this is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Arthur Smith · August 8th, 2011, 11:56 PM

Hi Jon.

This is a great upgrade. As a RED shooter with a KiPro, will a similar KiPro upgrade soon be available?

Thanks.

Jon Thorn · August 9th, 2011, 10:17 AM

Arthur S. - Thanks for the feedback on the new firmware update. The features that have been added to the Ki Pro Mini will be added to the original Ki Pro product in an upcoming firmware update.

Thanks,
Jon Thorn
Senior Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Arthur Smith · August 9th, 2011, 12:31 PM

Hi Jon,

This is great news. I can't wait. Thanks to AJA for the innovation and continued support.

Steve Phillipps · August 12th, 2011, 05:26 AM

Still trying to get a definitive answer to whether or not the Ki Pro Mini will take the tape Varicam's 60hz signal and record a 25P clip, with or without audio, maybe in VFR mode?
Steve

Jon Thorn · August 12th, 2011, 01:27 PM

Steve P. - With firmware version 2.5, or later, the Ki Pro Mini provides support for the 720p60 format (720p59.94 support was always provided). To extract 720p25 from the 720p60 signal, you would need to make the VFR selection in the CONFIG Record Type parameter.

720p25 within 720p60 is fairly uncommon; it was only used on the earliest Panasonic Varicam models. At AJA, the only 720p25/60 test tape we have from one of those early Varicam cameras is a series of Steadicam shots that were recorded without sound, so I can't speak to the audio portion I'm afraid. We use an early Panasonic VTR, the AJ-HD150, that can output the 720p25 within 720p60 signal to test with. When we set the Ki Pro Mini for VFR, it reports that it sees the 720p25 within the 720p60 signal and it records what appears to be accurate frame removal, producing a 720p25 recording.

If you own a Panasonic Varicam that produces the 720p25 within 720p60 signal, and you want to be sure that it works for your needs, you could likely contact your local AJA reseller to schedule a demo or test.

Hope this is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Senior Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Steve Phillipps · August 12th, 2011, 02:47 PM

Thanks Jon.
I do have a tape Varicam, any idea who my local AJA contact would be here in the UK?
As to audio, I was wondering whether I could use the HDSDI for a 25P picture but use the Varicam's Audio Out into the Ki's analog Audio In to get synced sound?
I suggested this with the Nanoflash and it seemed to work.
The picture is the main thing for me though so as long as that works I'll probably get one anyway. So with VFR set on the Ki, you just dial in your chosen frame rate on the camera as normal?

Steve

Marc Colemont · August 13th, 2011, 05:23 AM

Hi Jon,

Any news on the regular KiPro when new firmware will be available.
It's about a year now. We really need a solution for the auto-stop recording behavior.
And the firewire port to be activated would be a bonus.

Thanks for tbe support.

Marc Colemont

Jon Thorn · August 13th, 2011, 11:20 AM

Steve P. - To find a list of AJA resellers in your area, simply visit the AJA website at:
Where to Buy - AJA Video Systems

Routing analog audio out of the Varicam to the Ki Pro might work as long as there isn't some processing delay intoduced somewhere between the audio and video paths. Again, AJA doesn't have one of these older Varicams to test with, sorry.

For VFR, the Ki Pro and Ki Pro Mini recognize 720p23.98 (24), 720p25 and 720p29.97 (30) from within the greater frame rate signal.

Marc C. - As noted in post 4 of this thread, new firmware is being readied for the original Ki Pro. Regarding recording during a loss of video: if you have interrupted signal feeding the Ki Pro, we would recommend the use of a frame sync in line before the Ki Pro.

Again, development continues for both products and more firmware updates are planned.

Hope this is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Senior Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Steve Phillipps · August 13th, 2011, 02:22 PM

So Jon, how does slow motion work, ie recording at 60 fps. Does it recognise it at all, is it possible to record it at 25P giving slow motion, or even just recording it as 60fps ready to be conformed to 25P to give slomo?
Or is it just not possible?
Steve

Jon Thorn · August 15th, 2011, 06:43 AM

Steve P. - The Ki Pro Mini supports the "frame rates within larger frame rates" of 720p23.98, 720p25 and 720p29.97. It also records the native "over the wire" formats of 720p50, 720p59.94 and 720p60.

The Ki Pro Mini does not support "off speed" rates.

Hope this is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Senior Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Micheal McAlexander · September 2nd, 2011, 02:08 PM

Jon,

this might be a little off-topic, but is it possible to use my Ki Pro to pass through video from Mac Pro to broadcast monitor? I would love to have a Kona card, but might be awhile to get my university to buy one.

I was thinking to do this: Out of the MacPro ---> displayport to HDMI adapter ---> HDMI in on KiPro ----> SDI out from KiPro ---> SDI in on broadcast monitor

Cheers,

Micheal

Jon Thorn · September 3rd, 2011, 10:55 PM

Michael M. - Sorry, but the AJA Ki Pro products are video recorders that require baseband video signals; they are not computer editing interfaces. The AJA KONA and Io products are computer editing interfaces to facilitate audio/video input/output for non-linear edit systems, compositing and color correction apps, etc.

Two different tools for two different, but interrelated, tasks.

Hope this is helpful information,
Jon Thorn
Senior Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Steve Phillipps · September 25th, 2011, 01:55 PM

Just looking at this in a slightly different way - as the Ki Pro detects and records the Varicam frame rate flags (I believe) if you were to set your frame rate in camera and then have everything record to the Ki Pro at 720/60P (as you would with tape) you could presumably then take the material into an NLE and frame rate convert as you would from a Varicam tape?
Steve

August 5th, 2011, 01:36 PM	#1
Ed David Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 119	new firmware update - also guide to do it a new firmware update is available for the ki pro mini also this is an excellent guide to let you connect the Ki Pro mini to your mac computer. Updating the Firmware & Computer Controlling the AJA Ki Pro Deck Tom Guilmette – Director of Photography thank you Tom! __________________ ____ www.kittyguerrilla.com

August 5th, 2011, 05:03 PM	#2
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Ed D. - To avoid any confusion, users should visit the AJA website for the latest Ki Pro Mini firmware. The link and the information provided (while informative) is for the original Ki Pro product and I'm concerned users will be directed to the wrong location for the firmware for the Ki Pro Mini due to this. Just want to avoid confusion! The Ki Pro Mini firmware can be found here: Ki Pro Mini - AJA Video Systems Information about the new features enabled in version 2.6 firmware can be found here: http://www.aja.com/pdf/ReleaseNotes_KiProMini_v2.6.pdf Instructions on how to install new firmware are found on page 57 and 58 of the Ki Pro Mini manual which is available from the AJA website at: http://www.aja.com/pdf/AJA_Ki_Pro_Mini_Manual_v2.6.pdf Hope this is helpful, Jon Thorn Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

August 8th, 2011, 11:56 PM	#3
Arthur Smith New Boot Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kaktovik, Alaska Posts: 6	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Hi Jon. This is a great upgrade. As a RED shooter with a KiPro, will a similar KiPro upgrade soon be available? Thanks.

August 9th, 2011, 10:17 AM	#4
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Arthur S. - Thanks for the feedback on the new firmware update. The features that have been added to the Ki Pro Mini will be added to the original Ki Pro product in an upcoming firmware update. Thanks, Jon Thorn Senior Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

August 9th, 2011, 12:31 PM	#5
Arthur Smith New Boot Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kaktovik, Alaska Posts: 6	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Hi Jon, This is great news. I can't wait. Thanks to AJA for the innovation and continued support.

August 12th, 2011, 05:26 AM	#6
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Still trying to get a definitive answer to whether or not the Ki Pro Mini will take the tape Varicam's 60hz signal and record a 25P clip, with or without audio, maybe in VFR mode? Steve

August 12th, 2011, 01:27 PM	#7
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Steve P. - With firmware version 2.5, or later, the Ki Pro Mini provides support for the 720p60 format (720p59.94 support was always provided). To extract 720p25 from the 720p60 signal, you would need to make the VFR selection in the CONFIG Record Type parameter. 720p25 within 720p60 is fairly uncommon; it was only used on the earliest Panasonic Varicam models. At AJA, the only 720p25/60 test tape we have from one of those early Varicam cameras is a series of Steadicam shots that were recorded without sound, so I can't speak to the audio portion I'm afraid. We use an early Panasonic VTR, the AJ-HD150, that can output the 720p25 within 720p60 signal to test with. When we set the Ki Pro Mini for VFR, it reports that it sees the 720p25 within the 720p60 signal and it records what appears to be accurate frame removal, producing a 720p25 recording. If you own a Panasonic Varicam that produces the 720p25 within 720p60 signal, and you want to be sure that it works for your needs, you could likely contact your local AJA reseller to schedule a demo or test. Hope this is helpful, Jon Thorn Senior Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

August 12th, 2011, 02:47 PM	#8
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Thanks Jon. I do have a tape Varicam, any idea who my local AJA contact would be here in the UK? As to audio, I was wondering whether I could use the HDSDI for a 25P picture but use the Varicam's Audio Out into the Ki's analog Audio In to get synced sound? I suggested this with the Nanoflash and it seemed to work. The picture is the main thing for me though so as long as that works I'll probably get one anyway. So with VFR set on the Ki, you just dial in your chosen frame rate on the camera as normal? Steve

August 13th, 2011, 05:23 AM	#9
Marc Colemont Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 695	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Hi Jon, Any news on the regular KiPro when new firmware will be available. It's about a year now. We really need a solution for the auto-stop recording behavior. And the firewire port to be activated would be a bonus. Thanks for tbe support. Marc Colemont __________________ Marc Colemont - Belgium - http://www.mc-productions.be JVC GY-HM850's, HM890, HM600

August 13th, 2011, 11:20 AM	#10
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Steve P. - To find a list of AJA resellers in your area, simply visit the AJA website at: Where to Buy - AJA Video Systems Routing analog audio out of the Varicam to the Ki Pro might work as long as there isn't some processing delay intoduced somewhere between the audio and video paths. Again, AJA doesn't have one of these older Varicams to test with, sorry. For VFR, the Ki Pro and Ki Pro Mini recognize 720p23.98 (24), 720p25 and 720p29.97 (30) from within the greater frame rate signal. Marc C. - As noted in post 4 of this thread, new firmware is being readied for the original Ki Pro. Regarding recording during a loss of video: if you have interrupted signal feeding the Ki Pro, we would recommend the use of a frame sync in line before the Ki Pro. Again, development continues for both products and more firmware updates are planned. Hope this is helpful, Jon Thorn Senior Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

August 13th, 2011, 02:22 PM	#11
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it So Jon, how does slow motion work, ie recording at 60 fps. Does it recognise it at all, is it possible to record it at 25P giving slow motion, or even just recording it as 60fps ready to be conformed to 25P to give slomo? Or is it just not possible? Steve

August 15th, 2011, 06:43 AM	#12
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Steve P. - The Ki Pro Mini supports the "frame rates within larger frame rates" of 720p23.98, 720p25 and 720p29.97. It also records the native "over the wire" formats of 720p50, 720p59.94 and 720p60. The Ki Pro Mini does not support "off speed" rates. Hope this is helpful, Jon Thorn Senior Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

September 2nd, 2011, 02:08 PM	#13
Micheal McAlexander Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Frostburg, MD Posts: 47	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Jon, this might be a little off-topic, but is it possible to use my Ki Pro to pass through video from Mac Pro to broadcast monitor? I would love to have a Kona card, but might be awhile to get my university to buy one. I was thinking to do this: Out of the MacPro ---> displayport to HDMI adapter ---> HDMI in on KiPro ----> SDI out from KiPro ---> SDI in on broadcast monitor Cheers, Micheal

September 3rd, 2011, 10:55 PM	#14
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Michael M. - Sorry, but the AJA Ki Pro products are video recorders that require baseband video signals; they are not computer editing interfaces. The AJA KONA and Io products are computer editing interfaces to facilitate audio/video input/output for non-linear edit systems, compositing and color correction apps, etc. Two different tools for two different, but interrelated, tasks. Hope this is helpful information, Jon Thorn Senior Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

September 25th, 2011, 01:55 PM	#15
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Re: new firmware update - also guide to do it Just looking at this in a slightly different way - as the Ki Pro detects and records the Varicam frame rate flags (I believe) if you were to set your frame rate in camera and then have everything record to the Ki Pro at 720/60P (as you would with tape) you could presumably then take the material into an NLE and frame rate convert as you would from a Varicam tape? Steve