compared to the NanoFlash?

Micheal McAlexander · November 22nd, 2009, 10:49 AM

Jon,

I'm prepping for a feature shoot this summer as part of a class I teach at university. Couple of questions...

1) Have you seen any examples of the ProRes HQ that has gone all the way to 35mm film-out?

2) Do you offer education discounts? :)

Micheal

Perrone Ford · November 22nd, 2009, 12:12 PM

1. No country for Old Men.

Micheal McAlexander · November 22nd, 2009, 12:31 PM

NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN was actually captured on 35mm. It may have been editing in ProRes, but then they created an EDL and then the 35mm film was scanned and conformed based on the EDL.

What I'm trying to figure out is if anyone has captured on the Ki Pro (say ProRes HQ) and then do a film-out after editing.

Perrone Ford · November 22nd, 2009, 05:03 PM

It's been available what... a couple of weeks? How would anyone have had the chance to shoot, and then do a film out at this point?

Micheal McAlexander · November 22nd, 2009, 05:34 PM

I thought the Ki Pro has been out longer than that or maybe Aja did tests.

Perrone Ford · November 22nd, 2009, 06:10 PM

Well according to posts in this forum, DVInfo members began receiving shipments in early October. So maybe 6 weeks ago. Potentially, some resellers got them several weeks before that. But in any event, it's would be pretty ambitious to see anyone using these on 35mm film-out this soon. Maybe in the spring.

Jon Thorn · November 23rd, 2009, 03:30 PM

Michael M. - I know that one feature film that was acquired via the AJA Io HD connected to a Panavised Sony F900 and recorded in Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) is in the process of planning their filmout. I also know that Bob Primes, ASC ran a short test that I helped with that involved filmout of Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) and he was very pleased. I know that a few features are being recorded on Ki Pro now at Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) via Ki Pro but I cannot say whether or not they are planning for a filmout.

I can't offer you advice on academic pricing as I'm not in sales. You could inquire with AJA at sales@aja.com, but I do not believe there is any specific academic pricing provided by our authorized resellers.

Hope this is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.
California

Micheal McAlexander · November 23rd, 2009, 03:57 PM

Hey Jon,

That's awesome. I'm not shooting until summer so maybe we'll have some more reports on the KiPro by then.

Cheers,

Micheal

Micheal McAlexander · November 25th, 2009, 09:02 AM

Jon,

1) When taking the Ki Pro mobile, I'm assuming it can be powered off my Swit batts using a DTAP to 4-pin XLR.. right?

2) Confirming something - you are currently only recommending the Delkin Expresscard/34 at the moment - yes? Can we use the 32GB version?

3) Is it possible to use the Delkin Expresscard/34 CF adapter? So for example, two CF adapters in the Ki Pro with multiple CF cards?

Micheal

BTW... there's a typo in your Ki Pro brochure :)

Ki Pro and Final Cut Studio
From acquisition to delivery, use the codec at the core of Apple’s Final Cut
Studio suite of applications. Ki Pro supports an Apple file-based workflow by
recording standard Apple ProRes 422 QuickTime files on industry standard
media. Record to removable 34mm ExpressCards, or a removable HDD
Storage Module containing a hard disk drive (standard) or an optional SSD
Storage Module with a solid state disk. When removed, the Storage Module
functions as a standard bus-powered FireWire 800 drive. If bus power is not
avaialble, <------ the Storage Module has a standard DC power connector for a usersupplied
AC power adapter.

Jon Thorn · November 25th, 2009, 11:29 AM

Michael M. -
1) A Swit battery with an adapter to XLR should work.
2) The ExpressCard34 slots are not yet enabled with the current firmware. This will be enabled with a future firmware update. Once enabled, we will qualify which media can be used in the slots. No ExpressCard adapters can be used in the Ki Pro as they will not provide sufficient bandwidth for recordings at 145Mbps or 220Mbps.

Not sure how we missed the typo in the brochure, but I'll bring this to the attention of the right person at AJA.

Thanks,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.
California

November 22nd, 2009, 12:12 PM	#17
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November 22nd, 2009, 05:03 PM	#19
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	It's been available what... a couple of weeks? How would anyone have had the chance to shoot, and then do a film out at this point? __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

November 22nd, 2009, 06:10 PM	#21
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	Well according to posts in this forum, DVInfo members began receiving shipments in early October. So maybe 6 weeks ago. Potentially, some resellers got them several weeks before that. But in any event, it's would be pretty ambitious to see anyone using these on 35mm film-out this soon. Maybe in the spring. __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

November 25th, 2009, 09:02 AM	#24
Micheal McAlexander Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Frostburg, MD Posts: 47	Jon, 1) When taking the Ki Pro mobile, I'm assuming it can be powered off my Swit batts using a DTAP to 4-pin XLR.. right? 2) Confirming something - you are currently only recommending the Delkin Expresscard/34 at the moment - yes? Can we use the 32GB version? 3) Is it possible to use the Delkin Expresscard/34 CF adapter? So for example, two CF adapters in the Ki Pro with multiple CF cards? Micheal BTW... there's a typo in your Ki Pro brochure :) Ki Pro and Final Cut Studio From acquisition to delivery, use the codec at the core of Apple’s Final Cut Studio suite of applications. Ki Pro supports an Apple file-based workflow by recording standard Apple ProRes 422 QuickTime files on industry standard media. Record to removable 34mm ExpressCards, or a removable HDD Storage Module containing a hard disk drive (standard) or an optional SSD Storage Module with a solid state disk. When removed, the Storage Module functions as a standard bus-powered FireWire 800 drive. If bus power is not avaialble, <------ the Storage Module has a standard DC power connector for a usersupplied AC power adapter. Last edited by Micheal McAlexander; November 25th, 2009 at 10:32 AM.

November 22nd, 2009, 10:49 AM	#16
Micheal McAlexander Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Frostburg, MD Posts: 47	Jon, I'm prepping for a feature shoot this summer as part of a class I teach at university. Couple of questions... 1) Have you seen any examples of the ProRes HQ that has gone all the way to 35mm film-out? 2) Do you offer education discounts? :) Micheal

November 22nd, 2009, 12:31 PM	#18
Micheal McAlexander Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Frostburg, MD Posts: 47	NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN was actually captured on 35mm. It may have been editing in ProRes, but then they created an EDL and then the 35mm film was scanned and conformed based on the EDL. What I'm trying to figure out is if anyone has captured on the Ki Pro (say ProRes HQ) and then do a film-out after editing.

November 22nd, 2009, 05:34 PM	#20
Micheal McAlexander Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Frostburg, MD Posts: 47	I thought the Ki Pro has been out longer than that or maybe Aja did tests.

November 23rd, 2009, 03:30 PM	#22
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Michael M. - I know that one feature film that was acquired via the AJA Io HD connected to a Panavised Sony F900 and recorded in Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) is in the process of planning their filmout. I also know that Bob Primes, ASC ran a short test that I helped with that involved filmout of Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) and he was very pleased. I know that a few features are being recorded on Ki Pro now at Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) via Ki Pro but I cannot say whether or not they are planning for a filmout. I can't offer you advice on academic pricing as I'm not in sales. You could inquire with AJA at sales@aja.com, but I do not believe there is any specific academic pricing provided by our authorized resellers. Hope this is helpful, Jon Thorn Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc. California

November 23rd, 2009, 03:57 PM	#23
Micheal McAlexander Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Frostburg, MD Posts: 47	Hey Jon, That's awesome. I'm not shooting until summer so maybe we'll have some more reports on the KiPro by then. Cheers, Micheal

November 25th, 2009, 11:29 AM	#25
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Michael M. - 1) A Swit battery with an adapter to XLR should work. 2) The ExpressCard34 slots are not yet enabled with the current firmware. This will be enabled with a future firmware update. Once enabled, we will qualify which media can be used in the slots. No ExpressCard adapters can be used in the Ki Pro as they will not provide sufficient bandwidth for recordings at 145Mbps or 220Mbps. Not sure how we missed the typo in the brochure, but I'll bring this to the attention of the right person at AJA. Thanks, Jon Thorn Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc. California