Export to Tape with PP2.0 - anyone?

Larry Chapman · April 5th, 2007, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Dempsey

LOL, that's a funny and inaccurate response. I can export to my camera using Vegas without a hitch. I never use Premiere for that task.

NTSC camera exporting 1080 60i?

Chris Hurd · April 5th, 2007, 10:19 AM

Moved from Canon XH to World Premiere.

Steven Dempsey · April 5th, 2007, 10:26 AM

Hmmm, not sure about 60i material. Mine has all been 24f and Vegas sends it back to tape with no problems. I'll have to try 60i

Larry Chapman · April 5th, 2007, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Dempsey

Hmmm, not sure about 60i material. Mine has all been 24f and Vegas sends it back to tape with no problems. I'll have to try 60i

Steven -

That would be great data. Thanks.

AND . . . anyone else having *success* exporting NTSC 1080 60i footage longer than about 6 minutes back to tape using s/w other than Premiere Pro 2.0 - please chime in!

Larry Chapman · April 6th, 2007, 01:47 PM

Man I HATE this!

CANON SAYS:

From what you have described, if you are able to get it to work for
short segments then there is no reason related to the camera that would
cause a problem over longer times. We believe the issue is with your
software.

Once the camcorder has detected by your firewire port, the camcorder is
waiting for a signal from the video editing software to begin the
transfer of footage. The remainder of the transfer process is
controlled by that software.

We suggest testing the camcorder with another software application.

We hope this information is helpful to you. Please let us know if we
can be of any further assistance with your XH A1.

Thank you for choosing Canon.

Sincerely,

Chris
Technical Support Representative
***********************************************

ADOBE SAYS:

Hello Larry,
Thank you for contacting Adobe® Web Support for assistance with Adobe
Premiere Pro 2.0®
I understand that you are seeing other Premiere Pro users experiencing
the same export to tape issue with the Canon XH-A1®, and one user
reporting they were able to export from Canopus Edius®.
As indicated previously, this is an issue we are aware of with this
camera that occurs with other software besides Premiere Pro. When we
have seen this issue, it has happened with every editing
package that was tried. Export to tape from this camera is not supported
with this camera from Premiere Pro, and we would recommend contacting
Canon for assistance.
Kind regards,
Leland B.
Adobe Web Support

Philip Hinkle · April 6th, 2007, 08:46 PM

Sounds like a case of "He said, She said" to me.

Couple of quick thoughts......I get it to export fine in 1080 60i with a utility that comes with Canopus Edius NLE as I mentioned above. I gotta think there is another 3rd party type of utility out there for capture and playback to cam of an m2t file.

You said you have exported to tape from the PPro 2.0 timeline and the process will first render the needed files and then start the export process. Have you tried just creating a m2t master file, insert in another project and try exporting that without having to go through that whole preparation rendering/encode to get it ready. Maybe it's getting lost looking for the render files on your hard drive and that causes a hiccup. Just an idea. I don't use PPro so I don't know the workflow very well in the NLE. Having come from a customer support background I try and troubleshoot problems with every trick I can think of and narrow down the possibilities. This would be a test I would try out.

Now another test you could try out is to download a trial copy of Edius from the Canopus website. Export your project to an m2t file and use the Canopus Utility called MPEG TS Writer to export to camera. If it works all the way through in the Canopus Utility when it wouldn't in PPro then you know the camera is not to blame and you can tell Adobe you have run this test with other software yourself. The trial download is fully functional for 30 days if you want to try it out. Again....eliminate every possibility to find the solution. Sometimes companies will point the finger at the other guy till you prove to them it is their fault.

Just a few ideas I had.

Doug Chambers · April 9th, 2007, 01:09 PM

Sorry to butt into the thread, but I just had a burning question about something. I'm about to be using the XH-A1 for a pretty big project which is going to be shot in regular DV mode. Are there any issues exporting standard DV to the XH-A1 from Premiere Pro 2.0? Reading this thread got me worried and I haven't had a chance to try exporting anything in either mode to the camera yet.

Bill Ritter · April 9th, 2007, 05:45 PM

I'll check that out, but I would not expect an issue. Even if there was, any other DV camcorder would be able to take the export as they are all the same format. The HD camcorders come in various flavors - 720, 1080x1440 1080x1960.

I will try mine out on a DV export soon.

Bill in Ohio

Bill Ritter · April 9th, 2007, 08:49 PM

I had no luck with DV export either. I will try some other settings.

I did however do a HDV to HDV using a firewire cable to export between my two Canon XH A1 camcorders without any problem. That worked fine, as soon as I hit play on one it showed up on the other. Then I hit record and it began recording. I let it run about 9 min then checked that it recorded OK.

Bill in Ohio

Bill Ritter · April 9th, 2007, 09:52 PM

I went back to the Adobe site and checked their camcorder support page. It says no export to tape for Canon XL H1 -- so we are out of luck on both of these. However, I figured out that if I were to archive to DVD the matrox.avi files that you can create. It would only take about 3-4 DVDs at $.50 each or $1.50 - 2.00 per hour to archive each hour -- not elegant, but the video would load back on faster from DVD if you need it sometime later. Also the DVDs should be more archivable than tape.

I still like having a tape, but good HD tape is running at least $7/hour. So financially you would be ahead doing DVDs.

Rationalization complete!

Bill in Ohio

Bill Ritter · April 10th, 2007, 11:11 AM

Export between Canon GL-2 and Canon XH A1 of DV 4:3 worked fine. So the firewire works to export to the XH A1. As I earlier posted XH A1 to XH A1 also works fine with HD material. I did not try SD.

Bill in Ohio

Bill Ritter · May 3rd, 2007, 03:27 PM

Well I discovered the reason I could not export to tape from PP2 to Canon XH A1 --

Project > Project settings > General settings > Playback settings >1394 output tabbed page > there is a check box to enable 1394 export to tape. I was able to export widescreen DV back to the A1.

Bill in Ohio

Bill Ritter · May 3rd, 2007, 03:29 PM

Previous post -- that is export to DV only. There is no 1394 enable button in my HD projects. I still can't export more than 4.5 min of HDV.

Bill in Ohio

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April 6th, 2007, 01:47 PM	#20
Larry Chapman Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 94	Man I HATE this! CANON SAYS: From what you have described, if you are able to get it to work for short segments then there is no reason related to the camera that would cause a problem over longer times. We believe the issue is with your software. Once the camcorder has detected by your firewire port, the camcorder is waiting for a signal from the video editing software to begin the transfer of footage. The remainder of the transfer process is controlled by that software. We suggest testing the camcorder with another software application. We hope this information is helpful to you. Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance with your XH A1. Thank you for choosing Canon. Sincerely, Chris Technical Support Representative *********************************************** ADOBE SAYS: Hello Larry, Thank you for contacting Adobe® Web Support for assistance with Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0® I understand that you are seeing other Premiere Pro users experiencing the same export to tape issue with the Canon XH-A1®, and one user reporting they were able to export from Canopus Edius®. As indicated previously, this is an issue we are aware of with this camera that occurs with other software besides Premiere Pro. When we have seen this issue, it has happened with every editing package that was tried. Export to tape from this camera is not supported with this camera from Premiere Pro, and we would recommend contacting Canon for assistance. Kind regards, Leland B. Adobe Web Support __________________ -- Larry Chapman

April 6th, 2007, 08:46 PM	#21
Philip Hinkle Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stoughton, WI Posts: 169	Sounds like a case of "He said, She said" to me. Couple of quick thoughts......I get it to export fine in 1080 60i with a utility that comes with Canopus Edius NLE as I mentioned above. I gotta think there is another 3rd party type of utility out there for capture and playback to cam of an m2t file. You said you have exported to tape from the PPro 2.0 timeline and the process will first render the needed files and then start the export process. Have you tried just creating a m2t master file, insert in another project and try exporting that without having to go through that whole preparation rendering/encode to get it ready. Maybe it's getting lost looking for the render files on your hard drive and that causes a hiccup. Just an idea. I don't use PPro so I don't know the workflow very well in the NLE. Having come from a customer support background I try and troubleshoot problems with every trick I can think of and narrow down the possibilities. This would be a test I would try out. Now another test you could try out is to download a trial copy of Edius from the Canopus website. Export your project to an m2t file and use the Canopus Utility called MPEG TS Writer to export to camera. If it works all the way through in the Canopus Utility when it wouldn't in PPro then you know the camera is not to blame and you can tell Adobe you have run this test with other software yourself. The trial download is fully functional for 30 days if you want to try it out. Again....eliminate every possibility to find the solution. Sometimes companies will point the finger at the other guy till you prove to them it is their fault. Just a few ideas I had.

April 9th, 2007, 01:09 PM	#22
Doug Chambers Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canton, NC Posts: 48	Sorry to butt into the thread, but I just had a burning question about something. I'm about to be using the XH-A1 for a pretty big project which is going to be shot in regular DV mode. Are there any issues exporting standard DV to the XH-A1 from Premiere Pro 2.0? Reading this thread got me worried and I haven't had a chance to try exporting anything in either mode to the camera yet.

April 9th, 2007, 05:45 PM	#23
Bill Ritter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beavercreek, OH Posts: 93	I'll check that out, but I would not expect an issue. Even if there was, any other DV camcorder would be able to take the export as they are all the same format. The HD camcorders come in various flavors - 720, 1080x1440 1080x1960. I will try mine out on a DV export soon. Bill in Ohio

April 9th, 2007, 08:49 PM	#24
Bill Ritter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beavercreek, OH Posts: 93	I had no luck with DV export either. I will try some other settings. I did however do a HDV to HDV using a firewire cable to export between my two Canon XH A1 camcorders without any problem. That worked fine, as soon as I hit play on one it showed up on the other. Then I hit record and it began recording. I let it run about 9 min then checked that it recorded OK. Bill in Ohio

April 9th, 2007, 09:52 PM	#25
Bill Ritter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beavercreek, OH Posts: 93	I went back to the Adobe site and checked their camcorder support page. It says no export to tape for Canon XL H1 -- so we are out of luck on both of these. However, I figured out that if I were to archive to DVD the matrox.avi files that you can create. It would only take about 3-4 DVDs at $.50 each or $1.50 - 2.00 per hour to archive each hour -- not elegant, but the video would load back on faster from DVD if you need it sometime later. Also the DVDs should be more archivable than tape. I still like having a tape, but good HD tape is running at least $7/hour. So financially you would be ahead doing DVDs. Rationalization complete! Bill in Ohio

April 10th, 2007, 11:11 AM	#26
Bill Ritter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beavercreek, OH Posts: 93	Export between Canon GL-2 and Canon XH A1 of DV 4:3 worked fine. So the firewire works to export to the XH A1. As I earlier posted XH A1 to XH A1 also works fine with HD material. I did not try SD. Bill in Ohio

May 3rd, 2007, 03:27 PM	#27
Bill Ritter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beavercreek, OH Posts: 93	Well I discovered the reason I could not export to tape from PP2 to Canon XH A1 -- Project > Project settings > General settings > Playback settings >1394 output tabbed page > there is a check box to enable 1394 export to tape. I was able to export widescreen DV back to the A1. Bill in Ohio

May 3rd, 2007, 03:29 PM	#28
Bill Ritter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beavercreek, OH Posts: 93	Previous post -- that is export to DV only. There is no 1394 enable button in my HD projects. I still can't export more than 4.5 min of HDV. Bill in Ohio