Converting HD to SD using camera on import, editing, saving, reimport HDVfinal output at DVinfo.net

Michael Barrette · March 15th, 2007, 09:58 PM

Ok,

Here is what I was thinking when I first put together my new system.

Shoot in HDV. Import in SD using the down convert on camera. Edit in SD so that computer has far less requirements as it's doing it's think in the timeline and then saving end project as power point project file.

Then re-importing footage from HDV tape without downconverting to SD, keep it HDV.

That way you do all the work in lower intensity environment SD environment and make it less time consuming to wait for effects etc to preview while editing. Then reimport the video in HDV and have the whole thing completed so all you have to do at that point is export.

Not sure how this will affect colour correction and video effects etc... good question.

Anyone use this method? Pros, cons? Possible, not possible? Good idea, bad idea?

Cheers,
Michael

Michael Barrette · March 16th, 2007, 12:27 AM

Ok, just to show I'm not too lazy, I came across a thread that linked to these three related threads:

See here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=80103

Here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=83658

And Here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=76754

I am suprised more people don't try this method out, capture in sd, edit, then reimport HD. It requires one extra step for reimporting and a couple of minutes fiddling after that, but I am guessing saves quite a bit of time on handling the footage when editing. That being said, I have yet to start my first HDV project and additionally, none of the post above are conclusive about this method working well... But if the computer's a bit slow, I guess I'll try the steps from post above.

Cheers,
Michael

Steven Gotz · March 16th, 2007, 09:43 AM

Since I use Cineform Aspect HD which allows slower PCs to edit HDV as well as they edit DV, I see no point. When I upgraded the PC from my 3GHz P4 to a Dual Core my system really flies.

Trying to replace the footage is not as simple as you might think.

Brian Brown · March 16th, 2007, 12:02 PM

While doing an "offline" has its merits, I think Steven brings up a good point... there's just one more thing to go wrong with the double ingest. And, speaking of double ingest, you'll use double the hard disk space between the DV and HDV footage, have double the wear on camera/ deck heads, double the time spent capturing... and so on.

In a pro situation where one outfit does the offline and another the online from an EDL, this makes sense. On one's own personal PC? I'm not so sure.

I'm presently using PPro to edit about 8 hours of basketball videos into a highlight reel. Even with my last generation PC (Athlon XP 3800+ dual core), it doesn't hiccup too bad. If it takes awhile to render... I can always sleep or do something else.

And what's the "power point project file" ??? Did you mean "Premiere Pro project file"?

Just my thoughts,
Brian Brown
BrownCow Productions

Michael Barrette · March 16th, 2007, 12:07 PM

oopsey, yes of course, premiere project file...

I still haven't given the HDV a try yet in premiere, finishing up some SD stuff that's been sitting on the shelf for a while as I have just got my editing system... hopefully it will all be quick and smooth.. I may consider this $500 aspect software... another expense in the long line of expenses to get in the movie business!

March 15th, 2007, 09:58 PM	#1
Michael Barrette Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: calgary, Canada Posts: 48	Converting HD to SD using camera on import, editing, saving, reimport HDVfinal output Ok, Here is what I was thinking when I first put together my new system. Shoot in HDV. Import in SD using the down convert on camera. Edit in SD so that computer has far less requirements as it's doing it's think in the timeline and then saving end project as power point project file. Then re-importing footage from HDV tape without downconverting to SD, keep it HDV. That way you do all the work in lower intensity environment SD environment and make it less time consuming to wait for effects etc to preview while editing. Then reimport the video in HDV and have the whole thing completed so all you have to do at that point is export. Not sure how this will affect colour correction and video effects etc... good question. Anyone use this method? Pros, cons? Possible, not possible? Good idea, bad idea? Cheers, Michael

March 16th, 2007, 09:43 AM	#3
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Since I use Cineform Aspect HD which allows slower PCs to edit HDV as well as they edit DV, I see no point. When I upgraded the PC from my 3GHz P4 to a Dual Core my system really flies. Trying to replace the footage is not as simple as you might think. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

March 16th, 2007, 12:27 AM	#2
Michael Barrette Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: calgary, Canada Posts: 48	Ok, just to show I'm not too lazy, I came across a thread that linked to these three related threads: See here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=80103 Here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=83658 And Here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=76754 I am suprised more people don't try this method out, capture in sd, edit, then reimport HD. It requires one extra step for reimporting and a couple of minutes fiddling after that, but I am guessing saves quite a bit of time on handling the footage when editing. That being said, I have yet to start my first HDV project and additionally, none of the post above are conclusive about this method working well... But if the computer's a bit slow, I guess I'll try the steps from post above. Cheers, Michael

March 16th, 2007, 12:02 PM	#4
Brian Brown Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Estes Park, CO USA Posts: 426	While doing an "offline" has its merits, I think Steven brings up a good point... there's just one more thing to go wrong with the double ingest. And, speaking of double ingest, you'll use double the hard disk space between the DV and HDV footage, have double the wear on camera/ deck heads, double the time spent capturing... and so on. In a pro situation where one outfit does the offline and another the online from an EDL, this makes sense. On one's own personal PC? I'm not so sure. I'm presently using PPro to edit about 8 hours of basketball videos into a highlight reel. Even with my last generation PC (Athlon XP 3800+ dual core), it doesn't hiccup too bad. If it takes awhile to render... I can always sleep or do something else. And what's the "power point project file" ??? Did you mean "Premiere Pro project file"? Just my thoughts, Brian Brown BrownCow Productions

March 16th, 2007, 12:07 PM	#5
Michael Barrette Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: calgary, Canada Posts: 48	oopsey, yes of course, premiere project file... I still haven't given the HDV a try yet in premiere, finishing up some SD stuff that's been sitting on the shelf for a while as I have just got my editing system... hopefully it will all be quick and smooth.. I may consider this $500 aspect software... another expense in the long line of expenses to get in the movie business!