Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2004

Dan Euritt · November 14th, 2004, 11:54 PM

fwiw, i don't think that you will gain anything by capturing footage with quicktime instead of premiere.

Steven Fokkinga · November 15th, 2004, 07:44 AM

Hello everyone,

I have the following problem: on a documentary I edited a while ago I made a final export to mpeg-2 for dvd. Now after the job was delivered and concluded, due to a hard-drive crash I lost all my orignal captured .avi files. That was very nasty, although not a disaster because the job was already concluded and I also still had my source files on the dv-tapes. Now my client would like a shorter version of the documentary. It only involves a few very basic steps; cutting out some parts. So I tried to re-edit my mpeg-file (I know, that's not going to do the quality any good, but this client isn't that picky on that for this low-budget project) but couldn't get any results as premiere screws up the timeline; the audio isn't sync anymore, there are skips and freezes, etc.
Now I'm sure this is because of the intra-frame compressing of mpeg (and the GOP and I-frames, etc.).
My question is if there's any way to do this edit in premiere with a plug-in or mod, or to do it in another program. The only other option I have is to go back to the source dv-tapes but that would take me a week to edit, whereas some cuts in the mpeg-file would take me 5 minutes (on a working program, that is!). I even tried those freeware videosplitting apps who claim to do mpeg but they screwed it up as well. Ideas, anyone?

Steven

Rob Lohman · November 15th, 2004, 08:10 AM

Where are you located in Holland? You might try loading the
MPEG2 in www.virtualdub.org and have it export it as
an uncompressed AVI file. If that works you'll be set. If not you
will probably need another edit program (I have Vegas here and
it should be able to do this).

Rob Lohman · November 15th, 2004, 10:36 AM

With digital format you can only capture in DV, although QuickTime
supports DV I don't think you can capture to it (it looks like it
switched to analog capturing which it can't find). If you need a
QuickTime DV avi file on the PC just capture it in AVI, drag it to the
timeline and export as QuickTime DV.

Steven Fokkinga · November 15th, 2004, 06:30 PM

Hi Rob, I'm from Delft.

I tried virtualdub, but all it says is: "no video frames found in mpeg-file" It says that on multiple mpeg files, also video from another sources (ripped from dvd). Could this be a codec problem? They play normally in media player or other players, just when I try to re-edit them (in premiere) they screw up. Any thoughts?

Steven

PS I don't have Vegas so can't check if that works

Dan Euritt · November 15th, 2004, 09:25 PM

you do not want to re-encode the mpeg2 file at all... that means you'll need a real mpeg2 editor.

womble is what i use, you can download the free trial and see how it works for yourself... it has a window that tells you what is being re-encoded and what isn't, you should be able to get away with simple cuts-only editing with no re-encoding at all.

of course, that assumes that you have already pulled the mpeg2 files out of your dvd.

canopus also has an mpeg editor that should not do any re-encoding for simple edits.

Will Robertson · November 15th, 2004, 09:28 PM

I really really need some help on this one. I have my camera connected to my computer through a firewire and I am going out from the camera to a tv. In theory this should work, but instead anytime the computer is connected to the firewire it freezes premiere so it doesn't play anything nothing is being outputted or shown at all. As soon as I disconnected the firewire or turn the camera off Premiere goes back to normal.

Do any of you know how to fix this? Please help! Thank you

WILL

Lars Siden · November 16th, 2004, 02:41 AM

Hi,

I had that problem with Premiere 6 / 6.5 ... never did fix it for good - a temporary fix that worked for some time was to delelete the firewire driver from "device manager" and let Windows rediscover it. Never had this problem with Premiere Pro

// Lazze \\

Rob Lohman · November 16th, 2004, 05:12 AM

That's an excellent idea indeed Dan. There is also a program
somewhere called M2Edit I believe. How large is the file?

Mirko Sohr · November 16th, 2004, 05:48 AM

http://fcchandler.home.comcast.net/stable/

try this one of have a look for the MainConcept mpg2-support for premiere, its working quite nice, u can import every mpg2 file and edit easily

;P

always keep in mind, google is ur best friend :)

Steven Fokkinga · November 16th, 2004, 07:04 AM

Thanks Rob, Dan and Mirko!

I managed to get it done with the womble-thing! That saved me a week's work!

Many thanks again!

Steven

Mirko Sohr · November 16th, 2004, 07:09 AM

ur welcome... i hope u can be succesfull, and it useful in ur case

Cliff Hepburn · November 16th, 2004, 09:33 AM

I always plug in and power up the camera before starting Premiere and never had any problems. Are you starting Premiere before turning on the camera?
HTH
-Cjh

Will Robertson · November 16th, 2004, 10:26 AM

Usually I'll wait until Premiere is loaded and then plug it in but I've tried it both ways. I'll try what you suggested Lars and see if that helps, thanks.

Dan Euritt · November 16th, 2004, 11:30 AM

just for drill, make sure you don't have anything else connected to the firewire bus the camera is on... perhaps there is a hardware conflict.

November 15th, 2004, 07:44 AM	#1277
Steven Fokkinga Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 204	Mpeg-2 editing in premiere pro Hello everyone, I have the following problem: on a documentary I edited a while ago I made a final export to mpeg-2 for dvd. Now after the job was delivered and concluded, due to a hard-drive crash I lost all my orignal captured .avi files. That was very nasty, although not a disaster because the job was already concluded and I also still had my source files on the dv-tapes. Now my client would like a shorter version of the documentary. It only involves a few very basic steps; cutting out some parts. So I tried to re-edit my mpeg-file (I know, that's not going to do the quality any good, but this client isn't that picky on that for this low-budget project) but couldn't get any results as premiere screws up the timeline; the audio isn't sync anymore, there are skips and freezes, etc. Now I'm sure this is because of the intra-frame compressing of mpeg (and the GOP and I-frames, etc.). My question is if there's any way to do this edit in premiere with a plug-in or mod, or to do it in another program. The only other option I have is to go back to the source dv-tapes but that would take me a week to edit, whereas some cuts in the mpeg-file would take me 5 minutes (on a working program, that is!). I even tried those freeware videosplitting apps who claim to do mpeg but they screwed it up as well. Ideas, anyone? Steven

November 15th, 2004, 08:10 AM	#1278
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Where are you located in Holland? You might try loading the MPEG2 in www.virtualdub.org and have it export it as an uncompressed AVI file. If that works you'll be set. If not you will probably need another edit program (I have Vegas here and it should be able to do this). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 15th, 2004, 10:36 AM	#1279
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	With digital format you can only capture in DV, although QuickTime supports DV I don't think you can capture to it (it looks like it switched to analog capturing which it can't find). If you need a QuickTime DV avi file on the PC just capture it in AVI, drag it to the timeline and export as QuickTime DV. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 15th, 2004, 09:28 PM	#1282
Will Robertson New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Orem, UT. Posts: 24	Premiere freezes when camera connected I really really need some help on this one. I have my camera connected to my computer through a firewire and I am going out from the camera to a tv. In theory this should work, but instead anytime the computer is connected to the firewire it freezes premiere so it doesn't play anything nothing is being outputted or shown at all. As soon as I disconnected the firewire or turn the camera off Premiere goes back to normal. Do any of you know how to fix this? Please help! Thank you WILL

November 16th, 2004, 05:12 AM	#1284
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That's an excellent idea indeed Dan. There is also a program somewhere called M2Edit I believe. How large is the file? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 14th, 2004, 11:54 PM	#1276
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	fwiw, i don't think that you will gain anything by capturing footage with quicktime instead of premiere.

November 15th, 2004, 06:30 PM	#1280
Steven Fokkinga Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 204	Hi Rob, I'm from Delft. I tried virtualdub, but all it says is: "no video frames found in mpeg-file" It says that on multiple mpeg files, also video from another sources (ripped from dvd). Could this be a codec problem? They play normally in media player or other players, just when I try to re-edit them (in premiere) they screw up. Any thoughts? Steven PS I don't have Vegas so can't check if that works

November 15th, 2004, 09:25 PM	#1281
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	you do not want to re-encode the mpeg2 file at all... that means you'll need a real mpeg2 editor. womble is what i use, you can download the free trial and see how it works for yourself... it has a window that tells you what is being re-encoded and what isn't, you should be able to get away with simple cuts-only editing with no re-encoding at all. of course, that assumes that you have already pulled the mpeg2 files out of your dvd. canopus also has an mpeg editor that should not do any re-encoding for simple edits.

November 16th, 2004, 02:41 AM	#1283
Lars Siden Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 469	Hi, I had that problem with Premiere 6 / 6.5 ... never did fix it for good - a temporary fix that worked for some time was to delelete the firewire driver from "device manager" and let Windows rediscover it. Never had this problem with Premiere Pro // Lazze \\

November 16th, 2004, 05:48 AM	#1285
Mirko Sohr New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Kaohsiung / Taiwan / R.O.C. Posts: 15	http://fcchandler.home.comcast.net/stable/ try this one of have a look for the MainConcept mpg2-support for premiere, its working quite nice, u can import every mpg2 file and edit easily ;P always keep in mind, google is ur best friend :) __________________ ---------- i am german, living in Kaohsiung / Taiwan R.O.C. sorry my english isnt the best, if u find some blemish, take it and sale it on ebay or the store u prefer :)

November 16th, 2004, 07:04 AM	#1286
Steven Fokkinga Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 204	mission accomplished Thanks Rob, Dan and Mirko! I managed to get it done with the womble-thing! That saved me a week's work! Many thanks again! Steven

November 16th, 2004, 07:09 AM	#1287
Mirko Sohr New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Kaohsiung / Taiwan / R.O.C. Posts: 15	ur welcome... i hope u can be succesfull, and it useful in ur case __________________ ---------- i am german, living in Kaohsiung / Taiwan R.O.C. sorry my english isnt the best, if u find some blemish, take it and sale it on ebay or the store u prefer :)

November 16th, 2004, 09:33 AM	#1288
Cliff Hepburn Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 75	I always plug in and power up the camera before starting Premiere and never had any problems. Are you starting Premiere before turning on the camera? HTH -Cjh

November 16th, 2004, 10:26 AM	#1289
Will Robertson New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Orem, UT. Posts: 24	Usually I'll wait until Premiere is loaded and then plug it in but I've tried it both ways. I'll try what you suggested Lars and see if that helps, thanks.

November 16th, 2004, 11:30 AM	#1290
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	just for drill, make sure you don't have anything else connected to the firewire bus the camera is on... perhaps there is a hardware conflict.