Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2004

Steven Gotz · November 7th, 2004, 04:09 PM

There are a couple of plugins for After Effects that do a decent job. Twixtor is one http://www.revisionfx.com/rstwixtor.htm and ReTimer is another http://www.digitalanarchy.com/pressr...3_retimer.html

They figure out what the in-between frames should look like.

Rob Lohman · November 8th, 2004, 03:10 AM

Please provide the following information:

1. what are your EXACT project settings?

2. to what format are you exporting?

3. in what program are you loading this exported frame?

Jiggy Gaton · November 8th, 2004, 06:37 AM

ok, i must be doing something wrong here:
1. take a small clip (320x240, no audio, dither, etc).
2. export as compusa gif format (creates a gif for each frame) using the microsoft codec.
3. import into adobe imageready, using import folder as frames.
4. save as optimixed animated.gif
all goes well and as expected EXCEPT FOR FILE SIZE! 5 meg or so. there is no way i can put that on a website! Any suggestions? I really need help with this.
ps.I also tried the export from premiere pro called animated gif, and the file size was even larger!

Kent Metschan · November 8th, 2004, 08:48 AM

Thanks for the reply. What I'm doing is exporting a bmp and then placing it back into my sequence as a still. I'm sure you've seen when they are showing video and then it stops for a few seconds and they put a title on the shot. That's what I'm trying to accomplish. It has always worked in 4:3 and this is my first attempt at 16x9. I don't have all my project settings as I'm at work. Thanks.

Steven Gotz · November 8th, 2004, 05:50 PM

How many frames are there? At what frame rate?

Steven Gotz · November 8th, 2004, 05:53 PM

If you are used to exporting a still as 4:3, you might just need to change your settings and export at 16:9. But make sure it is square pixels, meaning you have to do the math.

Jiggy Gaton · November 8th, 2004, 07:03 PM

thanks steve! frame rate # is the prob. I have 130+ frames at 50kb each so i dont know what i was thinking. I was hoping that imageready would smash it all down to an animated gif of about 100kb but that's just dreamin. i am going to try the export at 5 fps and see what happens, but maybe it's not possible to make small animated gifs that have a video look ?!? ke garne.
jigs

Steven Gotz · November 8th, 2004, 09:34 PM

How big are your frames? Maybe you should reduce the size to no more than 320X240, and reduce the color to 256 if it hasn't already been done. At 5 frames per second, it doesn't exactly look like video.

K. Forman · November 8th, 2004, 09:54 PM

Somewhat smooth animation is 12-15 frames per second.

Kent Metschan · November 8th, 2004, 10:19 PM

Could you shed some more light for me? The pixel aspect ration I thought would work is "D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16:9 (1.2)". I've also tried square pixels and that doesn't seem to work either. Do I need to change the frame size? It's set for 720 x 480 which is the dimension of the project.

Steven Gotz · November 8th, 2004, 11:13 PM

Well, you can't export 1.2 ratio pixels and expect them to work in anything except a video editor is my guess. Try exporting 864X480 and see how that works for you.

That is what I meant by doing the math. Multiply 720 by 1.2

Karel Bata · November 9th, 2004, 05:58 AM

1 - Anyone know if there's a way of getting Cleaner SX to show up as one of my export settings in Premiere 1.5?

2 - If I can't do that, what should my export settings in Premiere be to allow me to then import into SX? I know it should be the same frame size and frame rate as the source material, but what codecs shoudl I use?

3 - And, while I'm here, how do I switch off Premiere's tendency to process everything - by that I mean getting Premiere to not process cuts-only material?

Many thanks

Rob Lohman · November 9th, 2004, 06:03 AM

<<<-- but maybe it's not possible to make small animated gifs that have a video look ?!? -->>>

I would say that is indeed not possible, due to the fact that GIF's
are only 256 colors and you will only be able to store a couple of
frames (and thus a very low framerate).

I do believe PNG has animation support as well up to full 24 bit
color, but that will increase the filesize even more.

Rob Lohman · November 9th, 2004, 06:17 AM

Steven has a good point, that is also the reason why I asked what
your exact project settings where.

In Vegas (for example) this happens automatically (ie, it does
this transform for you), but it appears this does not happen in
Premiere.

As Steven indicated the math is simply. Check what the pixel
aspect ratio is in your project settings and multiply this number
by the width (720) of NTSC. When exporting choose 1.0 as
pixel aspect ratio (all stills need a 1.0 PA ratio!) and enter the
calculated width as the resolution and leave the default height
(should be 480).

Jiggy Gaton · November 9th, 2004, 06:34 AM

thanks all, you guys are the experts with thousands of posts! i give up. i thought i could decorate a website with just little bits of great footage but by the time u get it down to 320x5fps it looks pretty bad. i tried swf (flash) but its the same problem. one of these days i'll get into streaming video but not now. i was going to have animated gif icons for some downloadable avi or wmf clips but the best thing would be a simple gif. i guess i'll just wait till the next tecnological advancement. thanks again for all your comments!
jigs

November 8th, 2004, 03:10 AM	#1247
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Please provide the following information: 1. what are your EXACT project settings? 2. to what format are you exporting? 3. in what program are you loading this exported frame? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 8th, 2004, 06:37 AM	#1248
Jiggy Gaton Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: kathmandu, nepal, no kidding! Posts: 62	trying to make small movies for web! ok, i must be doing something wrong here: 1. take a small clip (320x240, no audio, dither, etc). 2. export as compusa gif format (creates a gif for each frame) using the microsoft codec. 3. import into adobe imageready, using import folder as frames. 4. save as optimixed animated.gif all goes well and as expected EXCEPT FOR FILE SIZE! 5 meg or so. there is no way i can put that on a website! Any suggestions? I really need help with this. ps.I also tried the export from premiere pro called animated gif, and the file size was even larger! __________________ For more Adventures of Herojig, see www.extreme-nepal.com or go read the NEPALI TIMES every Friday.

November 8th, 2004, 07:03 PM	#1252
Jiggy Gaton Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: kathmandu, nepal, no kidding! Posts: 62	thanks steve! frame rate # is the prob. I have 130+ frames at 50kb each so i dont know what i was thinking. I was hoping that imageready would smash it all down to an animated gif of about 100kb but that's just dreamin. i am going to try the export at 5 fps and see what happens, but maybe it's not possible to make small animated gifs that have a video look ?!? ke garne. jigs __________________ For more Adventures of Herojig, see www.extreme-nepal.com or go read the NEPALI TIMES every Friday.

November 8th, 2004, 09:54 PM	#1254
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Somewhat smooth animation is 12-15 frames per second. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

November 9th, 2004, 05:58 AM	#1257
Karel Bata Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London, Antarctica Posts: 199	Cleaner SX in Premiere? 1 - Anyone know if there's a way of getting Cleaner SX to show up as one of my export settings in Premiere 1.5? 2 - If I can't do that, what should my export settings in Premiere be to allow me to then import into SX? I know it should be the same frame size and frame rate as the source material, but what codecs shoudl I use? 3 - And, while I'm here, how do I switch off Premiere's tendency to process everything - by that I mean getting Premiere to not process cuts-only material? Many thanks __________________ What are the Alternatives to YouTube?

November 7th, 2004, 04:09 PM	#1246
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	There are a couple of plugins for After Effects that do a decent job. Twixtor is one http://www.revisionfx.com/rstwixtor.htm and ReTimer is another http://www.digitalanarchy.com/pressr...3_retimer.html They figure out what the in-between frames should look like.

November 8th, 2004, 08:48 AM	#1249
Kent Metschan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 65	Thanks for the reply. What I'm doing is exporting a bmp and then placing it back into my sequence as a still. I'm sure you've seen when they are showing video and then it stops for a few seconds and they put a title on the shot. That's what I'm trying to accomplish. It has always worked in 4:3 and this is my first attempt at 16x9. I don't have all my project settings as I'm at work. Thanks.

November 8th, 2004, 05:50 PM	#1250
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	How many frames are there? At what frame rate?

November 8th, 2004, 05:53 PM	#1251
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	If you are used to exporting a still as 4:3, you might just need to change your settings and export at 16:9. But make sure it is square pixels, meaning you have to do the math.

November 8th, 2004, 09:34 PM	#1253
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	How big are your frames? Maybe you should reduce the size to no more than 320X240, and reduce the color to 256 if it hasn't already been done. At 5 frames per second, it doesn't exactly look like video.

November 8th, 2004, 10:19 PM	#1255
Kent Metschan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 65	Could you shed some more light for me? The pixel aspect ration I thought would work is "D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16:9 (1.2)". I've also tried square pixels and that doesn't seem to work either. Do I need to change the frame size? It's set for 720 x 480 which is the dimension of the project.

November 8th, 2004, 11:13 PM	#1256
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Well, you can't export 1.2 ratio pixels and expect them to work in anything except a video editor is my guess. Try exporting 864X480 and see how that works for you. That is what I meant by doing the math. Multiply 720 by 1.2

November 9th, 2004, 06:03 AM	#1258
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	<<<-- but maybe it's not possible to make small animated gifs that have a video look ?!? -->>> I would say that is indeed not possible, due to the fact that GIF's are only 256 colors and you will only be able to store a couple of frames (and thus a very low framerate). I do believe PNG has animation support as well up to full 24 bit color, but that will increase the filesize even more. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 9th, 2004, 06:17 AM	#1259
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Steven has a good point, that is also the reason why I asked what your exact project settings where. In Vegas (for example) this happens automatically (ie, it does this transform for you), but it appears this does not happen in Premiere. As Steven indicated the math is simply. Check what the pixel aspect ratio is in your project settings and multiply this number by the width (720) of NTSC. When exporting choose 1.0 as pixel aspect ratio (all stills need a 1.0 PA ratio!) and enter the calculated width as the resolution and leave the default height (should be 480). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 9th, 2004, 06:34 AM	#1260
Jiggy Gaton Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: kathmandu, nepal, no kidding! Posts: 62	thanks all, you guys are the experts with thousands of posts! i give up. i thought i could decorate a website with just little bits of great footage but by the time u get it down to 320x5fps it looks pretty bad. i tried swf (flash) but its the same problem. one of these days i'll get into streaming video but not now. i was going to have animated gif icons for some downloadable avi or wmf clips but the best thing would be a simple gif. i guess i'll just wait till the next tecnological advancement. thanks again for all your comments! jigs __________________ For more Adventures of Herojig, see www.extreme-nepal.com or go read the NEPALI TIMES every Friday.