Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2004

Robin Davies-Rollinson · May 29th, 2004, 07:55 AM

It is possible, but it needs a little work. Have a look at this site:
http://www.abcdv.com/article/articleview/10/1/79/
The MainConcept codec is very good. I use it with Avid, but if I need to work with Premiere on the same machine, I have to disable it. I've just never got around to following the advice on the above link ;-)

Robin

Dmitry Yun · May 29th, 2004, 08:10 PM

Hi fellas, I have a little question with capturing video. I capture using premier 6.5 and I have a GL2. I just noticed today that my avi file is not at 100% on full screen and it loses it's quality. Does anyone have any Idea if I could capture a better image somehow? Can I tweak the options?

Thank you

Roger Golub · May 29th, 2004, 10:33 PM

I have a Sager P4 (3.2 Ghz, 1GB RAM) with the neat 17x14 screen. Works exceptionally well with Premier 6.5 and lots of other apps. It's only drawback is the relatively small HD (60 gB - jeez, I can't believe I'm saying that it's "small"). An important feature to look for is built in firewire - you can always get a PCMCIA card solution, but the built in is really slick. Just plug the camera in and go....

So I do a lot of editing on this machine and then download the files to a bigger, slower desktop with tons of harddrive space. If you don't have a bigger machine, the external drive that Shane describes is a good idea, although I would try for a firewire drive if at all possible.

The only big drawback of the laptop compared to a desktop machine is the lack of a dual headed video card. I've come to love the dual monitor setup on my desktop. Since Premiere has a rather cluttered interface, the extra visual real estate makes workflow smoother.

And, as Shane has mentioned, high end laptops are still quite a bit more expensive than an equivelently functional desktop.

Can't have everything....

David Hargreaves · May 29th, 2004, 11:19 PM

I don't think you 'need' to go particularly high end these days - 2.4/512 would probably be fine. The big internal laptop hard disks are expensive compared to 120 gig desktop drives. You can buy one of those desktop drives and stick it into a 3 1/2 inch external firewire unit. There are even fancy units that will do RAID (more than one drive) but I don't know the details on that.

Paul Tauger · May 29th, 2004, 11:42 PM

AVI is just a "wrapper" for digital video. You need to check your codec. As I recall, the Microsoft DV codec is lossless, i.e. no compression (other than that which is already done as part of the DV25 standard).

John Britt · May 30th, 2004, 08:15 AM

Dmitry

Interlaced video typically looks somewhat poor on a computer monitor. Try sending the video from the Premiere timeline back out to a television and see how it looks on the TV.

Dmitry Yun · May 30th, 2004, 09:12 AM

thanks guys

Rob Lohman · May 30th, 2004, 09:20 AM

I'm not fully understanding your "my avi file is not at 100% on
full screen" part?

How are you determining it is of less quality than... compared to
what?

Mike Mellis · May 30th, 2004, 07:43 PM

I have been enjoying the tutorials put together by WRIGLEY VIDEO PRODUCTIONS. Are there other free sites offering similar tutorials out there?

Steven Gotz · May 31st, 2004, 01:45 PM

Wrigley is the only one doing video tutorials for Premiere Pro. There are others doing Photoshop and After Effects.

The problem is that there is a serious cost to the bandwidth. The sites that offer unlimited bandwidth are not really telling the entire truth. So Curt Wrigley pays a lot of money monthly. I think he uses around 15G of bandwidth daily. That is huge.

Dmitry Yun · May 31st, 2004, 05:56 PM

Well when I view my captured avi file in say WMP and I click full screen, I have a noticable loss in quality. But when I have it at 100% not at full screen mode it's as clear as ever. Is there a way I can make Premier Pro capture my avi file at "full screen size" rather than the default 100% that's about 1/4 of my screen's size.

Thanks:)

John Britt · May 31st, 2004, 06:03 PM

Dmitry

DV resolution is 720x480. That's "full screen" for DV. Try to make it fill 1024x768 (or another monitor resolution) and it's going to have a loss in quality. Add to that what I said before about interlaced video looking worse on a computer monitor (it will look better in a smaller viewing window, though).

Interlaced DV is ultimately meant to be best viewed on a TV. It simply will not look as clear on a computer monitor.

Kyle Kauss · June 1st, 2004, 07:50 AM

I was looking at another thread and I found a file that converts 16:9 to a 4:3 with the bars. That helps me out a ton so I'm happy I think I'm gonna start filming (as long as I can get my script finished by next week.)

Ed Smith · June 1st, 2004, 12:46 PM

Hi Kyle,

Glad you managed to find a work around. Its a strange issue as it works for me... Anyway, good luck with your script, let us know how you get on.

All the best,

Stephen Jackson · June 1st, 2004, 03:02 PM

I use a Toshiba P25 Satelitte notebook 2.8Ghz upgraded to 1meg RAM 80 Gig HD with the Maxtor 250Gig external firewire and the Firestore FS1.

I have Premiere Pro, After Effects 6, Audition, Particle Illusion and Boris Red

I used this setup to capture and edit video when I'm on the Seagram's Gin Live Tour.

26 cities in 38 days and this system has performed without a flaw.

I've done multi camera edits, effects, titling, composting all while traveling on a tour bus and I this system never crashed once.

May 29th, 2004, 08:10 PM	#527
Dmitry Yun Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 170	Editing problem Hi fellas, I have a little question with capturing video. I capture using premier 6.5 and I have a GL2. I just noticed today that my avi file is not at 100% on full screen and it loses it's quality. Does anyone have any Idea if I could capture a better image somehow? Can I tweak the options? Thank you

May 30th, 2004, 09:20 AM	#533
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May 30th, 2004, 07:43 PM	#534
Mike Mellis Tourist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Snohomish Washington Posts: 4	Is Wrigley alone? I have been enjoying the tutorials put together by WRIGLEY VIDEO PRODUCTIONS. Are there other free sites offering similar tutorials out there?

June 1st, 2004, 12:46 PM	#539
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi Kyle, Glad you managed to find a work around. Its a strange issue as it works for me... Anyway, good luck with your script, let us know how you get on. All the best, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

June 1st, 2004, 03:02 PM	#540
Stephen Jackson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York NY Posts: 77	I use a Toshiba P25 Satelitte notebook 2.8Ghz upgraded to 1meg RAM 80 Gig HD with the Maxtor 250Gig external firewire and the Firestore FS1. I have Premiere Pro, After Effects 6, Audition, Particle Illusion and Boris Red I used this setup to capture and edit video when I'm on the Seagram's Gin Live Tour. 26 cities in 38 days and this system has performed without a flaw. I've done multi camera edits, effects, titling, composting all while traveling on a tour bus and I this system never crashed once. __________________ Stephen Jackson RoaDDoggZ productions www.roaddoggz.com

May 29th, 2004, 07:55 AM	#526
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	It is possible, but it needs a little work. Have a look at this site: http://www.abcdv.com/article/articleview/10/1/79/ The MainConcept codec is very good. I use it with Avid, but if I need to work with Premiere on the same machine, I have to disable it. I've just never got around to following the advice on the above link ;-) Robin

May 29th, 2004, 10:33 PM	#528
Roger Golub Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sitka, AK Posts: 46	I have a Sager P4 (3.2 Ghz, 1GB RAM) with the neat 17x14 screen. Works exceptionally well with Premier 6.5 and lots of other apps. It's only drawback is the relatively small HD (60 gB - jeez, I can't believe I'm saying that it's "small"). An important feature to look for is built in firewire - you can always get a PCMCIA card solution, but the built in is really slick. Just plug the camera in and go.... So I do a lot of editing on this machine and then download the files to a bigger, slower desktop with tons of harddrive space. If you don't have a bigger machine, the external drive that Shane describes is a good idea, although I would try for a firewire drive if at all possible. The only big drawback of the laptop compared to a desktop machine is the lack of a dual headed video card. I've come to love the dual monitor setup on my desktop. Since Premiere has a rather cluttered interface, the extra visual real estate makes workflow smoother. And, as Shane has mentioned, high end laptops are still quite a bit more expensive than an equivelently functional desktop. Can't have everything....

May 29th, 2004, 11:19 PM	#529
David Hargreaves Tourist Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1	I don't think you 'need' to go particularly high end these days - 2.4/512 would probably be fine. The big internal laptop hard disks are expensive compared to 120 gig desktop drives. You can buy one of those desktop drives and stick it into a 3 1/2 inch external firewire unit. There are even fancy units that will do RAID (more than one drive) but I don't know the details on that.

May 29th, 2004, 11:42 PM	#530
Paul Tauger Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles (recently from San Francisco) Posts: 954	AVI is just a "wrapper" for digital video. You need to check your codec. As I recall, the Microsoft DV codec is lossless, i.e. no compression (other than that which is already done as part of the DV25 standard).

May 30th, 2004, 08:15 AM	#531
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	Dmitry Interlaced video typically looks somewhat poor on a computer monitor. Try sending the video from the Premiere timeline back out to a television and see how it looks on the TV.

May 30th, 2004, 09:12 AM	#532
Dmitry Yun Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 170	thanks guys

May 31st, 2004, 01:45 PM	#535
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Wrigley is the only one doing video tutorials for Premiere Pro. There are others doing Photoshop and After Effects. The problem is that there is a serious cost to the bandwidth. The sites that offer unlimited bandwidth are not really telling the entire truth. So Curt Wrigley pays a lot of money monthly. I think he uses around 15G of bandwidth daily. That is huge.

May 31st, 2004, 05:56 PM	#536
Dmitry Yun Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 170	Well when I view my captured avi file in say WMP and I click full screen, I have a noticable loss in quality. But when I have it at 100% not at full screen mode it's as clear as ever. Is there a way I can make Premier Pro capture my avi file at "full screen size" rather than the default 100% that's about 1/4 of my screen's size. Thanks:)

May 31st, 2004, 06:03 PM	#537
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	Dmitry DV resolution is 720x480. That's "full screen" for DV. Try to make it fill 1024x768 (or another monitor resolution) and it's going to have a loss in quality. Add to that what I said before about interlaced video looking worse on a computer monitor (it will look better in a smaller viewing window, though). Interlaced DV is ultimately meant to be best viewed on a TV. It simply will not look as clear on a computer monitor.

June 1st, 2004, 07:50 AM	#538
Kyle Kauss Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 114	I was looking at another thread and I found a file that converts 16:9 to a 4:3 with the bars. That helps me out a ton so I'm happy I think I'm gonna start filming (as long as I can get my script finished by next week.)