Need 16:9 mask for Premiere Pro 1.5 at DVinfo.net

Marco Wagner · May 3rd, 2006, 11:31 AM

Has anyone made or is there available a 16:9 mask in PP1.5?

I am shooting 4:3 and making a 4:3 project, but would like to letterbox in post in case someone has a 16:9 display.

Ed Smith · May 3rd, 2006, 11:37 AM

Hi Marco,

try a search on this forum, its appeared a couple of times.

Our very own Rob Lohman has some on his web site, but I can't remember the link. there is also a widescreen matte in title designer but i'm not too sure if its true 16x9.

cheers,

Marco Wagner · May 3rd, 2006, 12:01 PM

Thanks, I've search a couple times, but am probably not using the right key words, I keep getting discussions of 16:9 only, not many masks.

Steven Gotz · May 3rd, 2006, 12:20 PM

The titler has a template you can put on top.

Matt DeJonge · May 3rd, 2006, 12:40 PM

Here's a link to a ZIP file on my site that has several SD mattes in PSD format, including a 16x9:

http://www.chewbode.com/Portals/0/Pr..._Plates_SD.zip

Joshua Provost · May 3rd, 2006, 01:56 PM

Marco,

You don't necessarily need a matte. You can drop your sequence into a new sequence and put a "Crop" or "Clip" video effect on the whole sequence. I think you need to trim off about 60 pixels or about 12.5% off the top and bottom. I usually call the new sequence "Letterbox" and pop over to it occassionally to preview and ensure my clips are positioned correctly in the letterbox.

Josh

Matt DeJonge · May 3rd, 2006, 05:29 PM

If you decide to crop or clip the video, these are the SD resolutions you could use, depending on the look you're going for:

720 x 480 = Standard Def (1.33:3)
720 x 350 = Academy Aperture (1.37:1)
720 x 270 = Widescreen TV 16 x 9 (1.78:1)
720 x 259 = Flat/Academy Aperture (1.85:1)
720 x 204 = Scope (2.35:1)

Marco Wagner · May 3rd, 2006, 06:07 PM

Thanks for the quick responses and solutions folks, much appreciated.

Joshua Provost · May 3rd, 2006, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt DeJonge

If you decide to crop or clip the video, these are the SD resolutions you could use, depending on the look you're going for:

720 x 480 = Standard Def (1.33:3)
720 x 350 = Academy Aperture (1.37:1)
720 x 270 = Widescreen TV 16 x 9 (1.78:1)
720 x 259 = Flat/Academy Aperture (1.85:1)
720 x 204 = Scope (2.35:1)

Matt, your numbers are way off, sorry. I don't have the time to work them out perfectly right now, but Academy is going to be closer to 472 tall, Widescreen 364, Flat 350, Scope 275, all 720 wide in 4:3 SD.

Marco Wagner · May 10th, 2006, 10:46 PM

Hey which of these is best to use. The Widescreen 1.78 mask or the Letterbox Academy 1.37? It seems like the academy 1.37 has much more viewable space, but will some be lost on a widescreen TV "zoom"?

Tom Bolia · May 11th, 2006, 12:17 AM

I found some of these replies using the key words "convert standard widescreen" in the search. I hope they help. :o)

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...ard+widescreen

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...ard+widescreen

Joshua Provost · May 11th, 2006, 12:51 PM

Marco,

For widescreen, you want 1.78, that is roughly the ratio of 16:9 HDTV. Academy 1.37 is almost the same as standard 4:3.

Josh

Marco Wagner · May 11th, 2006, 01:41 PM

Thank you. I am assuming then with the 1.78 a "widescreen zoom" will fill the whole screen, which is what I am looking for.

Thanks Tom, for the links.

Matt DeJonge · May 11th, 2006, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Provost

Matt, your numbers are way off, sorry. I don't have the time to work them out perfectly right now, but Academy is going to be closer to 472 tall, Widescreen 364, Flat 350, Scope 275, all 720 wide in 4:3 SD.

Joshua, you are totally correct! OMG! I guess when you want something done right, you have to do it yourself - I shouldn't have relied on the info I had but calculated it out myself...

Well, I think these are the accurate resolutions (I think the other calculations didn't take 0.9 pixels into consideration). Assuming 640 x 480 is your 0.9, NTSC resolution, your computer pixel aspect ratio (1.0) video would be:

720 x 480 = Standard Def (1.33:3)
720 x 467 = Academy Aperture (1.37:1)
720 x 360 = Widescreen TV 16 x 9 (1.78:1)
720 x 346 = Flat/Academy Aperture (1.85:1)
720 x 272 = Scope (2.35:1)

If DV is 720 x 480, and you "convert" this to 0.9 broadcast aspect, you'd get 648 x 480, right? What's up with that 8-pixel horizontal resolution discrepancy?

Anyway, I guess I'll need to go fix my letterbox mattes now. :(

Joshua Provost · May 12th, 2006, 11:21 AM

Matt,

Yep, now it looks right. Assuming 4:3 source, cropping down to the various ratios. Would be different for 16:9 source, of course, where you have some flexibility to stick with 720 wide, go to 864 wide, or do something else entirely.

Josh

May 3rd, 2006, 11:31 AM	#1
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Need 16:9 mask for Premiere Pro 1.5 Has anyone made or is there available a 16:9 mask in PP1.5? I am shooting 4:3 and making a 4:3 project, but would like to letterbox in post in case someone has a 16:9 display. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 3rd, 2006, 11:37 AM	#2
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi Marco, try a search on this forum, its appeared a couple of times. Our very own Rob Lohman has some on his web site, but I can't remember the link. there is also a widescreen matte in title designer but i'm not too sure if its true 16x9. cheers, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

May 3rd, 2006, 12:01 PM	#3
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Thanks, I've search a couple times, but am probably not using the right key words, I keep getting discussions of 16:9 only, not many masks. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 3rd, 2006, 12:20 PM	#4
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	The titler has a template you can put on top. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

May 3rd, 2006, 01:56 PM	#6
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	Marco, You don't necessarily need a matte. You can drop your sequence into a new sequence and put a "Crop" or "Clip" video effect on the whole sequence. I think you need to trim off about 60 pixels or about 12.5% off the top and bottom. I usually call the new sequence "Letterbox" and pop over to it occassionally to preview and ensure my clips are positioned correctly in the letterbox. Josh __________________ Owner/Operator, 727 Records Co-Founder, Matter of Chance Productions Blogger, Try Avoidance

May 3rd, 2006, 12:40 PM	#5
Matt DeJonge Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 37	Here's a link to a ZIP file on my site that has several SD mattes in PSD format, including a 16x9: http://www.chewbode.com/Portals/0/Pr..._Plates_SD.zip

May 3rd, 2006, 05:29 PM	#7
Matt DeJonge Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 37	If you decide to crop or clip the video, these are the SD resolutions you could use, depending on the look you're going for: 720 x 480 = Standard Def (1.33:3) 720 x 350 = Academy Aperture (1.37:1) 720 x 270 = Widescreen TV 16 x 9 (1.78:1) 720 x 259 = Flat/Academy Aperture (1.85:1) 720 x 204 = Scope (2.35:1)

May 3rd, 2006, 06:07 PM	#8
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Thanks for the quick responses and solutions folks, much appreciated. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 10th, 2006, 10:46 PM	#10
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Hey which of these is best to use. The Widescreen 1.78 mask or the Letterbox Academy 1.37? It seems like the academy 1.37 has much more viewable space, but will some be lost on a widescreen TV "zoom"? __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 11th, 2006, 12:17 AM	#11
Tom Bolia Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Posts: 86	I found some of these replies using the key words "convert standard widescreen" in the search. I hope they help. :o) http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...ard+widescreen http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...ard+widescreen

May 11th, 2006, 12:51 PM	#12
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	Marco, For widescreen, you want 1.78, that is roughly the ratio of 16:9 HDTV. Academy 1.37 is almost the same as standard 4:3. Josh __________________ Owner/Operator, 727 Records Co-Founder, Matter of Chance Productions Blogger, Try Avoidance

May 11th, 2006, 01:41 PM	#13
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Thank you. I am assuming then with the 1.78 a "widescreen zoom" will fill the whole screen, which is what I am looking for. Thanks Tom, for the links. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 12th, 2006, 11:21 AM	#15
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	Matt, Yep, now it looks right. Assuming 4:3 source, cropping down to the various ratios. Would be different for 16:9 source, of course, where you have some flexibility to stick with 720 wide, go to 864 wide, or do something else entirely. Josh __________________ Owner/Operator, 727 Records Co-Founder, Matter of Chance Productions Blogger, Try Avoidance