Pp2

Alec Lence · January 17th, 2006, 01:34 PM

Anybody locate any decent reviews of this yet? I browsed Adobe's forums but they are a chaotic mess. I'm just wondering if PP2 is worth rushing out and upgrading to or if I can stand to wait a few months and finish my project first :)

Saturnin Kondratiew · January 17th, 2006, 01:45 PM

finish your project first..thats what i'm doing....i would never swtich nle's even if its the same company..... if your stuff is working well...keep at it...

Alec Lence · January 17th, 2006, 03:00 PM

Yeah, I probably will - mostly because I'm using some heavy Magic Bullet looks in this one and I don't know if PP2 supports it or not.

I do, however, hope that they actually have implemented decent 24p into it.

Saturnin Kondratiew · January 17th, 2006, 03:01 PM

they better, they need to fix the whole 24p and 60i on the same timeline too..cuz thats a major issue

Aanarav Sareen · January 17th, 2006, 10:40 PM

I wrote an overview for the COW. Check it out: http://www.creativecow.net

Saturnin Kondratiew · January 17th, 2006, 10:59 PM

nice..thanx for the article..

Pat Sherman · January 18th, 2006, 08:29 AM

I downloaded the PPRO upgrade last night.. My first impressions were not much different all the same effects with exception to the new color correction.

Then I loaded some clips, the conforming is much faster for .mp3 and .avi with audio instead of conforming it just runs a generating peaks routine. Which is pretty fast.

Export Clip Notes is pretty cool. The output to DVD I like it's great for exporting rough cuts and has the ability to build menus and choose your transcoding selections. No dolby though, it would have been nice to at least have the AC3 feature from Encore in it. While it has surcode still it's limited to 3 uses and then requires more $$$ to activate like normal.

Titler is much better in my opinion, ability to have multiple titles open in the titler as seperate tabbed windows, that's a big upgrade for me.

The best think I like about it is multicam editing. It's a little cumbersome to use, but once you do it and understand the setup it's cake. The $200 upgrade in my opinion is worth it alone for the multicam editing.

Basically you create a sequence and drop in up to 4 video tracks V1-V4. Highlight all your tracks and right-click and click on Syncronize. Then choose your sync point (4 options; Start of Clips, End of Clips, Timecode or Manual Marker)

Then create a new sequence and drag your first sequence into the new one. Click on Multi-Cam and then in the Program window open the Multicam Window. 4 tracks load into the QUAD window with 1 output window. Tap that RECORD button and hit play. Then just click the window out of the 4 you want to use as it plays through. DARN sweet in my opinion especially for us multicam wedding ceremony folks.. Once your complete your sequence updates with all your cuts and you can transitions and anything else you want at this point it's just your normal timeline with all your cuts. You can also choose to use 1 audio track all the way through or use the audio from each video layer.

While there is more presets for different formats, etc..etc.. I don't have a use for them so I haven't used them. If you have PhotoShop CS2 already with Bridge this upgrade will upgrade your bridge to the current version. So you don't need Production Studio to use Bridge, however Dynamic Link (sp?) you need Production studio.

Rendering seems a bit faster than 1.5, but the jury is still out it could have been mental horsepower..:) I'll probably buy production studio when Matrox gives the greenlight for use with the RT.X100.

Just my 2 cents..

Pete Bauer · January 18th, 2006, 02:34 PM

Looks like Adobe hasn't updated their licensing page to include the new versions yet. For those who already have the Adobe Production Studio, can you tell us if the license still allows one primary and one backup computer (eg, home and work, or desktop and laptop) as the previous licenses have?

Pat Sherman · January 18th, 2006, 04:56 PM

It doesn't appear soo.. Considering they have a link for their activations now.. And also with PPRO 2 I noticed something last night I didn't notice with 1.5 you can now under Help TRANSFER your activation so you can uninstall PPRO 2 and reinstall it on another computer should you buy a new system.

Pete Bauer · January 18th, 2006, 06:03 PM

Hey Pat, thanks, good to hear about the ease of transferring activation to a new computer.

Activation is a mechanism to enforce compliance with the license agreement. What I was really after was what is written in the actual license agreement for the new software. If the license allows a primary and a secondary (e.g. laptop, or home) installation, then the activation on a secondary computer shouldn't be a problem.

I'm jealous...eager to get the new Adobe software, too...but may wait till I get around to building a new uber-computer to tame large HD projects.

EDIT: Ok, I'm out of the closet...I'm so weird that I actually sometimes reads the license agreements, and worse, the product manuals! Here's a link to the Photoshop CS2 License Agreement:

http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/...ombinedCS2.pdf

What I'm referring to is para 2.4 "Portable or Home Computer Use." Hoping that doesn't change!

Peter Jefferson · January 19th, 2006, 05:47 AM

just a thought here. .

wonder how it would perform with an SLI Dual GFX card configuration..
hmm... the mind boggles...

Pat Sherman · January 20th, 2006, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Bauer

Hey Pat, thanks, good to hear about the ease of transferring activation to a new computer.

Activation is a mechanism to enforce compliance with the license agreement. What I was really after was what is written in the actual license agreement for the new software. If the license allows a primary and a secondary (e.g. laptop, or home) installation, then the activation on a secondary computer shouldn't be a problem.

I'm jealous...eager to get the new Adobe software, too...but may wait till I get around to building a new uber-computer to tame large HD projects.

EDIT: Ok, I'm out of the closet...I'm so weird that I actually sometimes reads the license agreements, and worse, the product manuals! Here's a link to the Photoshop CS2 License Agreement:

http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/...ombinedCS2.pdf

What I'm referring to is para 2.4 "Portable or Home Computer Use." Hoping that doesn't change!

Peter I checked my EULA on PPRO 2. It's there the two machine clause. You just are supposed to run them at the same time. So you can install it on two machines.

David Mintzer · January 21st, 2006, 01:57 PM

There is a review and an interview with the project manager over at digitalvideoediting.com I tried to download my upgrade today but on both occassions their were corrupt files when unzipping. I will get the disk next week. It looks like a really nice upgrade. I particularly like the pdf note feature----makes sending rough stuff to clients very easy.

Pat Sherman · January 21st, 2006, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Mintzer

There is a review and an interview with the project manager over at digitalvideoediting.com I tried to download my upgrade today but on both occassions their were corrupt files when unzipping. I will get the disk next week. It looks like a really nice upgrade. I particularly like the pdf note feature----makes sending rough stuff to clients very easy.

Hrm sorry to hear about the download troubles, I was luckily enough to do it the minute they posted the order links, so I guess I lucked out. Clip notes is pretty cool.. I was playing with that earlier today.. What's really cool is you can FTP the video to a server and the PDF will link to it.. Unless it's like a short video with low encoding then you can just embed and email..

Chris Barcellos · January 27th, 2006, 11:31 AM

I have had trouble with free trial. I ordered upgrade version, but got anxious to see how it works, so I downloaded free trial version too. It loaded first time okay, but there was not preset for HDV ??. So I decided to uninstall. It would not uninstall properly. So I tried reinstalling over the old installation. It went through the process, but when I start up, it give me a screen that says the version isn't registered, and it won't start up. So now I can't uninstall, or use the trial version. Worse, when I first installed the trial version it said I must uninstall it before installing my paid for version.

Now what ? Anybody ?

January 17th, 2006, 01:34 PM	#1
Alec Lence Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 67	Pp2 - ? Anybody locate any decent reviews of this yet? I browsed Adobe's forums but they are a chaotic mess. I'm just wondering if PP2 is worth rushing out and upgrading to or if I can stand to wait a few months and finish my project first :)

January 17th, 2006, 01:45 PM	#2
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	finish your project first..thats what i'm doing....i would never swtich nle's even if its the same company..... if your stuff is working well...keep at it... __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

January 17th, 2006, 03:01 PM	#4
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	they better, they need to fix the whole 24p and 60i on the same timeline too..cuz thats a major issue __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

January 17th, 2006, 10:40 PM	#5
Aanarav Sareen Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NJ, US Posts: 183	I wrote an overview for the COW. Check it out: http://www.creativecow.net __________________ http://www.sareen.tv

January 17th, 2006, 10:59 PM	#6
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	nice..thanx for the article.. __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

January 17th, 2006, 03:00 PM	#3
Alec Lence Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 67	Yeah, I probably will - mostly because I'm using some heavy Magic Bullet looks in this one and I don't know if PP2 supports it or not. I do, however, hope that they actually have implemented decent 24p into it.

January 18th, 2006, 08:29 AM	#7
Pat Sherman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DuPont, Wa Posts: 325	I downloaded the PPRO upgrade last night.. My first impressions were not much different all the same effects with exception to the new color correction. Then I loaded some clips, the conforming is much faster for .mp3 and .avi with audio instead of conforming it just runs a generating peaks routine. Which is pretty fast. Export Clip Notes is pretty cool. The output to DVD I like it's great for exporting rough cuts and has the ability to build menus and choose your transcoding selections. No dolby though, it would have been nice to at least have the AC3 feature from Encore in it. While it has surcode still it's limited to 3 uses and then requires more $$$ to activate like normal. Titler is much better in my opinion, ability to have multiple titles open in the titler as seperate tabbed windows, that's a big upgrade for me. The best think I like about it is multicam editing. It's a little cumbersome to use, but once you do it and understand the setup it's cake. The $200 upgrade in my opinion is worth it alone for the multicam editing. Basically you create a sequence and drop in up to 4 video tracks V1-V4. Highlight all your tracks and right-click and click on Syncronize. Then choose your sync point (4 options; Start of Clips, End of Clips, Timecode or Manual Marker) Then create a new sequence and drag your first sequence into the new one. Click on Multi-Cam and then in the Program window open the Multicam Window. 4 tracks load into the QUAD window with 1 output window. Tap that RECORD button and hit play. Then just click the window out of the 4 you want to use as it plays through. DARN sweet in my opinion especially for us multicam wedding ceremony folks.. Once your complete your sequence updates with all your cuts and you can transitions and anything else you want at this point it's just your normal timeline with all your cuts. You can also choose to use 1 audio track all the way through or use the audio from each video layer. While there is more presets for different formats, etc..etc.. I don't have a use for them so I haven't used them. If you have PhotoShop CS2 already with Bridge this upgrade will upgrade your bridge to the current version. So you don't need Production Studio to use Bridge, however Dynamic Link (sp?) you need Production studio. Rendering seems a bit faster than 1.5, but the jury is still out it could have been mental horsepower..:) I'll probably buy production studio when Matrox gives the greenlight for use with the RT.X100. Just my 2 cents..

January 18th, 2006, 02:34 PM	#8
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Looks like Adobe hasn't updated their licensing page to include the new versions yet. For those who already have the Adobe Production Studio, can you tell us if the license still allows one primary and one backup computer (eg, home and work, or desktop and laptop) as the previous licenses have? __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

January 18th, 2006, 04:56 PM	#9
Pat Sherman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DuPont, Wa Posts: 325	It doesn't appear soo.. Considering they have a link for their activations now.. And also with PPRO 2 I noticed something last night I didn't notice with 1.5 you can now under Help TRANSFER your activation so you can uninstall PPRO 2 and reinstall it on another computer should you buy a new system.

January 18th, 2006, 06:03 PM	#10
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Hey Pat, thanks, good to hear about the ease of transferring activation to a new computer. Activation is a mechanism to enforce compliance with the license agreement. What I was really after was what is written in the actual license agreement for the new software. If the license allows a primary and a secondary (e.g. laptop, or home) installation, then the activation on a secondary computer shouldn't be a problem. I'm jealous...eager to get the new Adobe software, too...but may wait till I get around to building a new uber-computer to tame large HD projects. EDIT: Ok, I'm out of the closet...I'm so weird that I actually sometimes reads the license agreements, and worse, the product manuals! Here's a link to the Photoshop CS2 License Agreement: http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/...ombinedCS2.pdf What I'm referring to is para 2.4 "Portable or Home Computer Use." Hoping that doesn't change! __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

January 19th, 2006, 05:47 AM	#11
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	just a thought here. . wonder how it would perform with an SLI Dual GFX card configuration.. hmm... the mind boggles...

January 21st, 2006, 01:57 PM	#13
David Mintzer Rextilleon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pleasantville, NY Posts: 520	There is a review and an interview with the project manager over at digitalvideoediting.com I tried to download my upgrade today but on both occassions their were corrupt files when unzipping. I will get the disk next week. It looks like a really nice upgrade. I particularly like the pdf note feature----makes sending rough stuff to clients very easy.

January 27th, 2006, 11:31 AM	#15
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	PP 2.0- Free trial put me in Uninstall limbo I have had trouble with free trial. I ordered upgrade version, but got anxious to see how it works, so I downloaded free trial version too. It loaded first time okay, but there was not preset for HDV ??. So I decided to uninstall. It would not uninstall properly. So I tried reinstalling over the old installation. It went through the process, but when I start up, it give me a screen that says the version isn't registered, and it won't start up. So now I can't uninstall, or use the trial version. Worse, when I first installed the trial version it said I must uninstall it before installing my paid for version. Now what ? Anybody ? __________________ Chris J. Barcellos