Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2006

Bart Walczak · November 23rd, 2006, 04:52 AM

Click on the triangle menu in the upper-right corner of the timeline window and deselect "audio units".

Bart Walczak · November 23rd, 2006, 04:56 AM

Dynamic link allows you to create a new comp (that's what you've done) or to import an existing comp to premiere project.

The new comp is blank and if you want to do anything with it, you need to add footage and/or effects manually.

Afterwards just drop the comp in premiere into the timeline. PPro treats it as a sequence or source clip.

I hope it answers your question.

BTW, it's really a pain in the *** that you can't just send a clip to AE for slowmotion or some simple effects and that you have to actually export it. Lame.

Damian Clarke · November 23rd, 2006, 03:18 PM

Thank-you very much Bart, yes indeed I now have it working albeit for about 2 minutes before After Effects had an error and closed lol
Besides, with my humble Athlon64 3000+ it was a bit slow anyhow...I might just have to do it the old fashioned way until either AE behaves itself or I get a faster processor

Bart Walczak · November 23rd, 2006, 08:09 PM

RAM might be the key issue here. PPro +AE uses 1,5 GB for programs alone, and if you have anything open (which you have to), it will easily go beyond 2 GB, and if you're not running Win 64, then it starts to be a problem.

I had very bad experience with my 1 GB Athlon 64 3000, added 1 GB of RAM and it was better, but not very good. Only after I had built a new machine with Conroe 6600, 4 GB and Win 64, the machine became robust enough to work with.

Mike Quinones · November 24th, 2006, 10:36 PM

Bart:
Thank you very much. That was the solution to my problem. I have no clue, how I select the audio units. Again thank You.

Wade Hanchey · November 24th, 2006, 10:55 PM

Anyone try this yet? It supports capture and edit of HDV, but no HD output to DVD. It would be a cheap entry into HD software.

Bart Walczak · November 25th, 2006, 06:12 AM

You're welcome.

Damian Clarke · November 25th, 2006, 01:17 PM

A number of things here...My original footage was HDV 1080i from an FX1 edited with the help of AspectHD (sweet), converted to DVD for the final output. Now I want to export my timelines back to tape in HDV 1080i for future proofing. The AspectHD software trial ran out so I can't use this program to output a m2t.
Now I can still easily hit the 'Export to Tape' command and it will render and transfer BUT at what quality setting is it? To explain, if I open Adobe Media Encoder I can select one of the presets which is HDV 1080i 25 and this has a bunch of settings which can be adjusted. Most are fine as they are but one is a quality slider which is set at 2.1 by default, with 5 being the highest quality. Now, this is interesting because although the bitrate stays the same I'm suddenly given the option of quality. When you just select 'Export To Tape' in the file menu, you don't have to adjust any options, so what quality is that set to by default? I have no way of knowing.
One other thing, I could just then use the Adobe Media Encoder to output a m2t file under the HDV 1080i setting with a 5 for quality, re-import that to a timeline with the corresponding Adobe HDV 1080i import setting and then set that to output to tape in the usual way. Now surely that should not need re-rendering since it has been converted to HDV already, it should bypass the rendering and transfer it to tape straight away...but it doesn't, it starts to render it again, albeit more quickly....and so I'm back to square 1 wondering about the quality setting again lol
Can anyone make sense of it or indeed see what I'm getting at?

Obed Boas Berg · November 26th, 2006, 06:22 AM

I'm working with Premiere Pro with Procoder 2.

To encode the projects i have i use Procoder 2 but the results are not compatible with all DVD players. I test my results on several DVD players but still getting some back from people who where not able to play the DVD on there DVD players.

Question: What do use use for encoding your project to mpeg, and do you have similair problems.

Harm Millaard · November 27th, 2006, 04:43 AM

Depends on the authoring application you use. Encore has difficulty with Procoder encoded files. I use Encore and a bitrate calculator, so I export to MPEG-DVD and AC3 with Adobe Media Encoder/Surcode. An alternative could be to export audio with Surcode and export an AVI with video only and import these into Encore and have Encore do the transcoding. It does not really matter since both Premiere and Encore use the same engine.

Obed Boas Berg · November 28th, 2006, 01:19 PM

Hello Harm,

Normally i use Procoder directly from Premiere
Yesterday i exported my project from Premiere to a avi file.
Then i started Procoder without Premiere and made three different MPEG files.
Two .vob files and one .m2v file
Tomorrow i will import them to encore with the menu and i will burn them to DVD. I will let you know wath kind of results i will have.

What kind of files do you allways use .vob or .m2v files ?

Harm Millaard · November 28th, 2006, 02:02 PM

First of all, as I grow older my eyesight, after a number of serious illnesses, is not what it used to be. Glasses, etc. So my discerning capabilities have diminished over the years. Secondly, I'm a mere hobbyist, not a professional. However, being what I am, I'm still satisfied with my results. However with all the pro's around here, I would assume they can probably improve on my workflow to get even better results.

What I do is edit in PremPro and export to MPEG2-DVD the video stream and to AC-3 the audio stream with the Minnetonka Surcode plug-in. I use a bitrate calculator for budgetting. http://dvd-hq.info/Calculator.html?P...f57#Calculator
Both are then imported into Encore and I author from there.

Hope this helps.

Damian Clarke · November 29th, 2006, 02:06 AM

wow...anyone?

Graham Hickling · November 29th, 2006, 06:04 PM

I avoid AME, but since no-one else answered ...

Step 1) find or make a template that meets the m2t specs for exporting back to tape for your camera. That will constrain most of the encoding parameters like bitrate etc, since there's only 1 valid value your camera will accept.

Step 2: Once you know Step 1 is working, then if you then still have the option to adjust quality, set that to max. (Maybe there's a tradeoff between render time and quality?)

Don Bazley · November 30th, 2006, 03:20 PM

I'm a college professor and I'm curious if there is any difference between PPro2 and the "education version"... or is it only the price that is different?

November 24th, 2006, 10:36 PM	#605
Mike Quinones Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Melreso Park IL. Posts: 89	Thank You Bart: Thank you very much. That was the solution to my problem. I have no clue, how I select the audio units. Again thank You.

November 24th, 2006, 10:55 PM	#606
Wade Hanchey Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 117	Premiere Elements 3.0 Anyone try this yet? It supports capture and edit of HDV, but no HD output to DVD. It would be a cheap entry into HD software.

November 25th, 2006, 01:17 PM	#608
Damian Clarke Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lincolnshire, United Kingdom Posts: 95	Export to Tape Quality? A number of things here...My original footage was HDV 1080i from an FX1 edited with the help of AspectHD (sweet), converted to DVD for the final output. Now I want to export my timelines back to tape in HDV 1080i for future proofing. The AspectHD software trial ran out so I can't use this program to output a m2t. Now I can still easily hit the 'Export to Tape' command and it will render and transfer BUT at what quality setting is it? To explain, if I open Adobe Media Encoder I can select one of the presets which is HDV 1080i 25 and this has a bunch of settings which can be adjusted. Most are fine as they are but one is a quality slider which is set at 2.1 by default, with 5 being the highest quality. Now, this is interesting because although the bitrate stays the same I'm suddenly given the option of quality. When you just select 'Export To Tape' in the file menu, you don't have to adjust any options, so what quality is that set to by default? I have no way of knowing. One other thing, I could just then use the Adobe Media Encoder to output a m2t file under the HDV 1080i setting with a 5 for quality, re-import that to a timeline with the corresponding Adobe HDV 1080i import setting and then set that to output to tape in the usual way. Now surely that should not need re-rendering since it has been converted to HDV already, it should bypass the rendering and transfer it to tape straight away...but it doesn't, it starts to render it again, albeit more quickly....and so I'm back to square 1 wondering about the quality setting again lol Can anyone make sense of it or indeed see what I'm getting at?

November 26th, 2006, 06:22 AM	#609
Obed Boas Berg New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 22	Advise about Procoder 2 I'm working with Premiere Pro with Procoder 2. To encode the projects i have i use Procoder 2 but the results are not compatible with all DVD players. I test my results on several DVD players but still getting some back from people who where not able to play the DVD on there DVD players. Question: What do use use for encoding your project to mpeg, and do you have similair problems. __________________ Obed

November 28th, 2006, 01:19 PM	#611
Obed Boas Berg New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 22	Hello Harm, Normally i use Procoder directly from Premiere Yesterday i exported my project from Premiere to a avi file. Then i started Procoder without Premiere and made three different MPEG files. Two .vob files and one .m2v file Tomorrow i will import them to encore with the menu and i will burn them to DVD. I will let you know wath kind of results i will have. What kind of files do you allways use .vob or .m2v files ? __________________ Obed

November 23rd, 2006, 04:52 AM	#601
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	Click on the triangle menu in the upper-right corner of the timeline window and deselect "audio units".

November 23rd, 2006, 04:56 AM	#602
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	Dynamic link allows you to create a new comp (that's what you've done) or to import an existing comp to premiere project. The new comp is blank and if you want to do anything with it, you need to add footage and/or effects manually. Afterwards just drop the comp in premiere into the timeline. PPro treats it as a sequence or source clip. I hope it answers your question. BTW, it's really a pain in the *** that you can't just send a clip to AE for slowmotion or some simple effects and that you have to actually export it. Lame.

November 23rd, 2006, 03:18 PM	#603
Damian Clarke Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lincolnshire, United Kingdom Posts: 95	Thank-you very much Bart, yes indeed I now have it working albeit for about 2 minutes before After Effects had an error and closed lol Besides, with my humble Athlon64 3000+ it was a bit slow anyhow...I might just have to do it the old fashioned way until either AE behaves itself or I get a faster processor

November 23rd, 2006, 08:09 PM	#604
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	RAM might be the key issue here. PPro +AE uses 1,5 GB for programs alone, and if you have anything open (which you have to), it will easily go beyond 2 GB, and if you're not running Win 64, then it starts to be a problem. I had very bad experience with my 1 GB Athlon 64 3000, added 1 GB of RAM and it was better, but not very good. Only after I had built a new machine with Conroe 6600, 4 GB and Win 64, the machine became robust enough to work with.

November 25th, 2006, 06:12 AM	#607
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	You're welcome.

November 27th, 2006, 04:43 AM	#610
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	Depends on the authoring application you use. Encore has difficulty with Procoder encoded files. I use Encore and a bitrate calculator, so I export to MPEG-DVD and AC3 with Adobe Media Encoder/Surcode. An alternative could be to export audio with Surcode and export an AVI with video only and import these into Encore and have Encore do the transcoding. It does not really matter since both Premiere and Encore use the same engine.

November 28th, 2006, 02:02 PM	#612
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	First of all, as I grow older my eyesight, after a number of serious illnesses, is not what it used to be. Glasses, etc. So my discerning capabilities have diminished over the years. Secondly, I'm a mere hobbyist, not a professional. However, being what I am, I'm still satisfied with my results. However with all the pro's around here, I would assume they can probably improve on my workflow to get even better results. What I do is edit in PremPro and export to MPEG2-DVD the video stream and to AC-3 the audio stream with the Minnetonka Surcode plug-in. I use a bitrate calculator for budgetting. http://dvd-hq.info/Calculator.html?P...f57#Calculator Both are then imported into Encore and I author from there. Hope this helps.

November 29th, 2006, 02:06 AM	#613
Damian Clarke Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lincolnshire, United Kingdom Posts: 95	wow...anyone?

November 29th, 2006, 06:04 PM	#614
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	I avoid AME, but since no-one else answered ... Step 1) find or make a template that meets the m2t specs for exporting back to tape for your camera. That will constrain most of the encoding parameters like bitrate etc, since there's only 1 valid value your camera will accept. Step 2: Once you know Step 1 is working, then if you then still have the option to adjust quality, set that to max. (Maybe there's a tradeoff between render time and quality?)

November 30th, 2006, 03:20 PM	#615
Don Bazley Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 149	PPro 2 "education version" I'm a college professor and I'm curious if there is any difference between PPro2 and the "education version"... or is it only the price that is different?