Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2006

Ryan Wachter · May 25th, 2006, 06:11 PM

First the viewing screen is extremely gittery...i know its not the footage. Some times it seems worse than others....

Second, when exporting as an avi it works but when trying to do it as a quicktime file it sends sudden error as soon as its done and then just stops...

Robert Double · May 25th, 2006, 06:47 PM

Hi,

I was planning on configuring my drives as :

1 * 300MB - OS/Progs/ PPRo Projects
1 * 600GB Raid 0 (4*160GB 7200 drives) - Video Stock Footage/PPro Previews&scratch

I am editing DVCProHD, and also uncompressed 10 bit SD, and planning to add another 4 HD's my RAID so I can do uncompressed HD.

I want my previews & renders to be realtime, so is this the most optimal setup???

I will defrag the RAID 0 drive on a regular basis.

Thoughts?

Robert

Roger Averdahl · May 26th, 2006, 05:44 AM

When you say "terribly pixelated", does it look something like the Attached Image in this post?

/Roger

Lars Siden · May 26th, 2006, 11:32 AM

Hi,

New day, new thread :-)

I just put 2gb extra mem in my box - making a total of 4gb mem.

In Win XP Pro Sp2 it shows up as 3gb and PAE(Physical Adress Extension).

Reading up on memory and XP my conclusion is this:

1. No program can allocate more than 2gb
2. If not /3G switch is set in boot.ini, then 3gb will be allocatable for programs and 1gb for the kernel. But only programs designed for this mode will use more than 2gb.

So obviously my questions are: Are any NLE optimised for 2gb+? Do we need more than 2gb? I say "no" - for me it's fine to have 2gb to PPro, 1gb for Photoshop and 1gb (more or less) for After Effects....

Here is a ref link to all startup options for Win XP

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721

// Lazze - who still is rather *issed at PPro for not supporting any scripting.

Colin Rayner · May 26th, 2006, 11:35 PM

Not like that, actually looks like when the heads are dirty. Audio is fine and the problem is not with all captured clips, either way they all run fine on 6.5

Lars Siden · May 27th, 2006, 02:11 AM

Hi,

Background: I have 2 children which we try to film as much as possibly. This generates hours of footage. Main goal isn't to cut away that much since I consider this our "memory reserve". So I more or less take 1 hr Tape and transform it to 1hr DVD with menus and some extras. Then I can do "short short" 10 min films from the 1hr DVD to show "non family" :-)

With the above in mind I developed a plugin for Sony Vegas that takes a directory captured with Scenalyzer, adds the media in datetimeorder to the timeline excluding clips shorter than X seconds. I apply standard X-over. My plug also generates chaptermarkers at clipstart or at intervall X. I also get subtitle files for importing in DVD Architecht or Encore.

So as you see I've mostly been using Vegas. Now I have a new machine setup at home so I thought I'd give PPro 2 a go. So I though "a nice Auto levels/color/contrast". I fixed the project in Vegas as I use to, rendered to a 13gb AVI which I imported to PPro. Applied effects and checked the result on my TV set. Looked good - some yellow cast went away etc. So I let it process the whole file. When I check the result it is BAD :-) Everytime I have moved the camera so that the light changes or focus is running, the Auto XXX stuff has gone haywire. The scene "flickers" and I got other strange artefacts (the original footage .avi looks fine). So, is the conclusion here: There are no shortcuts? I have to check clip by clip to decide where and how much "level" or/and "color correction" I need? Or are there some parameters/options than I can use?

// Lars Siden - who now will take the 20D still camera for a spin :-)

Roger Averdahl · May 27th, 2006, 03:41 AM

I had a similar problem with my Panasonic NV-DX100 and if you mail to support@mainconcept.de and describe your problem and ask them for a new file, MCDVD_32.DLL, they will send it to you. Do not forget to write what version of Premiere Pro you are using. Just replace the mcdvd_32.dll with the new one.

MCDVD_32.DLL is located in C:\Program Files\Adobe\Premiere Pro 1.5

Premiere Pro uses MainConcept's DV-codec, thats the reason to why you should contact MainConcept :)

If you want the file right away, send me a mail and i will send it to you. My adress is in my profile in this forum. (MCDVD_32.DLL Version 2.4.13 file size is 401 kB)

/Roger

Don Blish · May 27th, 2006, 12:58 PM

As a retired IT guy I find Microsofts doc on the /3GB switch a bit vague. I also have 2GB and am considering adding 2GB and using the switch.

The doc says that RAM above the limit is reserved for the OS kernel. The question is whether it allows each app to request up to the limit for and lets them fight it out sending (paging) the "least recently used" (LRU) pages to disc.

I already discovered that PPro2/AspectHD4.1 and lots of 7 megapixel stills scaled on the timeline can use every scrap of RAM on my 2GB system. I worked around it by making still "proxys" of exactly 1080x1920 beforehand - but thats a bit inconvenient. So even if PPro ONLY uses up to 2GB, having 4 and the /3GB switch allows Photoshop, Bridge and misc stuff to be resident in the 2-3 GB band without infringing on PPro/HDVs demands.

With 2GB more being under $190, even for 533mhz strips why not do it?

Billy Mallari · May 27th, 2006, 04:46 PM

Hello everyone. I was wondering if I could ask you guys what setting do you use in Premiere for showing videos for the web. A lot of movies show trailers on their website with great quality but less than 20MB.

I have been struggling in regards to compressing for the web. I have seen other videographer's 4 min demo with only 14 MB and the quality is awesome.
In the meantime, my video is also 4 mins. long..22MB..and the quality is not that great.

I use premiere pro 1.5 but Im not sure how to make quality looking video with a smaller size.

Do you guys have any suggestions?

Steven Gotz · May 27th, 2006, 07:11 PM

It depends on the subject matter, but I can generally get by with 512K using a 320X240 frame size. You might be able to reduce the frame rate as well. As I said. It all depends on the material.

Lars Siden · May 28th, 2006, 09:31 AM

I have 4gb now.

When I had Premiere Pro 2 running and started After Effects 6.5 it said "0% of 2gb allocated". That implies that every program can if it wishes allocate a maximum of 2gb. The /3gb switch should give lets say After Effects the possibility to allocate 3gb(if the program supports it).

So for now, I'll have 4gb without the switch.

//Lazze

Charles A. Smith · May 28th, 2006, 10:41 AM

Hello all,
I've been working on a little project and it requires that I make an image look like its moving away from screen. I figured all that out and everything. I rendered all of it. The problem I'm getting is when I do a full screen preview the rotational movement I have the image doing is really choppy. Any help would be appriciated. Also, what should I make my project into so that I can put it on something like googlevideo or youtube? BTW I'm using Pro1.5

Monte Comeau · May 28th, 2006, 04:12 PM

Is there any other DVD templates available for PP2?

Steven Gotz · May 28th, 2006, 09:01 PM

I have not seen any. If anyone would like to contribute, I will be happy to host them on my site.

Dennis Jakobsen · May 29th, 2006, 05:05 PM

Hi,

I have been wondering if it is possible to edit in fields. What i mean is, being able to make a cut in the center of a frame. Therefore making you capable of having one image staying only 1/50 of a second on the screen, instead of the 1/25... That frames allow. My camera records in fields, and is in no way capable of progressive mode. I just need to be able to control the edit in more detail. Hope you can help me! Thank you.

May 25th, 2006, 06:11 PM	#166
Ryan Wachter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 164	Two Premiere problems First the viewing screen is extremely gittery...i know its not the footage. Some times it seems worse than others.... Second, when exporting as an avi it works but when trying to do it as a quicktime file it sends sudden error as soon as its done and then just stops... __________________ lastwachter.com

May 25th, 2006, 06:47 PM	#167
Robert Double Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 74	Premiere Pro Scratch Disks Hi, I was planning on configuring my drives as : 1 * 300MB - OS/Progs/ PPRo Projects 1 * 600GB Raid 0 (4*160GB 7200 drives) - Video Stock Footage/PPro Previews&scratch I am editing DVCProHD, and also uncompressed 10 bit SD, and planning to add another 4 HD's my RAID so I can do uncompressed HD. I want my previews & renders to be realtime, so is this the most optimal setup??? I will defrag the RAID 0 drive on a regular basis. Thoughts? Robert

May 26th, 2006, 05:44 AM	#168
Roger Averdahl Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stockholm - Sweden Posts: 344	When you say "terribly pixelated", does it look something like the Attached Image in this post? /Roger Attached Images __________________ /Roger

May 26th, 2006, 11:32 AM	#169
Lars Siden Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 469	Memory Usage - Ppro and general Hi, New day, new thread :-) I just put 2gb extra mem in my box - making a total of 4gb mem. In Win XP Pro Sp2 it shows up as 3gb and PAE(Physical Adress Extension). Reading up on memory and XP my conclusion is this: 1. No program can allocate more than 2gb 2. If not /3G switch is set in boot.ini, then 3gb will be allocatable for programs and 1gb for the kernel. But only programs designed for this mode will use more than 2gb. So obviously my questions are: Are any NLE optimised for 2gb+? Do we need more than 2gb? I say "no" - for me it's fine to have 2gb to PPro, 1gb for Photoshop and 1gb (more or less) for After Effects.... Here is a ref link to all startup options for Win XP http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721 // Lazze - who still is rather *issed at PPro for not supporting any scripting.

May 26th, 2006, 11:35 PM	#170
Colin Rayner Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Geraldine, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 88	Not like that, actually looks like when the heads are dirty. Audio is fine and the problem is not with all captured clips, either way they all run fine on 6.5 __________________ "We don't have any money, so we will have to think" Ernest Rutherford

May 27th, 2006, 02:11 AM	#171
Lars Siden Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 469	Auto Levels/Color/Contrast - Workflows and thoughts Hi, Background: I have 2 children which we try to film as much as possibly. This generates hours of footage. Main goal isn't to cut away that much since I consider this our "memory reserve". So I more or less take 1 hr Tape and transform it to 1hr DVD with menus and some extras. Then I can do "short short" 10 min films from the 1hr DVD to show "non family" :-) With the above in mind I developed a plugin for Sony Vegas that takes a directory captured with Scenalyzer, adds the media in datetimeorder to the timeline excluding clips shorter than X seconds. I apply standard X-over. My plug also generates chaptermarkers at clipstart or at intervall X. I also get subtitle files for importing in DVD Architecht or Encore. So as you see I've mostly been using Vegas. Now I have a new machine setup at home so I thought I'd give PPro 2 a go. So I though "a nice Auto levels/color/contrast". I fixed the project in Vegas as I use to, rendered to a 13gb AVI which I imported to PPro. Applied effects and checked the result on my TV set. Looked good - some yellow cast went away etc. So I let it process the whole file. When I check the result it is BAD :-) Everytime I have moved the camera so that the light changes or focus is running, the Auto XXX stuff has gone haywire. The scene "flickers" and I got other strange artefacts (the original footage .avi looks fine). So, is the conclusion here: There are no shortcuts? I have to check clip by clip to decide where and how much "level" or/and "color correction" I need? Or are there some parameters/options than I can use? // Lars Siden - who now will take the 20D still camera for a spin :-) __________________ Sony HDR-CX130,Canon 5DMKII,i7 930@4.0, 12gb memory, 3x SSD + 2x1Tb(stripe), Geforce 480, Dual 24", Win 7 x64

May 27th, 2006, 03:41 AM	#172
Roger Averdahl Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stockholm - Sweden Posts: 344	I had a similar problem with my Panasonic NV-DX100 and if you mail to support@mainconcept.de and describe your problem and ask them for a new file, MCDVD_32.DLL, they will send it to you. Do not forget to write what version of Premiere Pro you are using. Just replace the mcdvd_32.dll with the new one. MCDVD_32.DLL is located in C:\Program Files\Adobe\Premiere Pro 1.5 Premiere Pro uses MainConcept's DV-codec, thats the reason to why you should contact MainConcept :) If you want the file right away, send me a mail and i will send it to you. My adress is in my profile in this forum. (MCDVD_32.DLL Version 2.4.13 file size is 401 kB) /Roger __________________ /Roger

May 27th, 2006, 12:58 PM	#173
Don Blish Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Portland OR Posts: 227	Going to 4GB and using the /3GB switch looks useful As a retired IT guy I find Microsofts doc on the /3GB switch a bit vague. I also have 2GB and am considering adding 2GB and using the switch. The doc says that RAM above the limit is reserved for the OS kernel. The question is whether it allows each app to request up to the limit for and lets them fight it out sending (paging) the "least recently used" (LRU) pages to disc. I already discovered that PPro2/AspectHD4.1 and lots of 7 megapixel stills scaled on the timeline can use every scrap of RAM on my 2GB system. I worked around it by making still "proxys" of exactly 1080x1920 beforehand - but thats a bit inconvenient. So even if PPro ONLY uses up to 2GB, having 4 and the /3GB switch allows Photoshop, Bridge and misc stuff to be resident in the 2-3 GB band without infringing on PPro/HDVs demands. With 2GB more being under $190, even for 533mhz strips why not do it?

May 27th, 2006, 04:46 PM	#174
Billy Mallari Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 84	Compression for the Web using Premiere Hello everyone. I was wondering if I could ask you guys what setting do you use in Premiere for showing videos for the web. A lot of movies show trailers on their website with great quality but less than 20MB. I have been struggling in regards to compressing for the web. I have seen other videographer's 4 min demo with only 14 MB and the quality is awesome. In the meantime, my video is also 4 mins. long..22MB..and the quality is not that great. I use premiere pro 1.5 but Im not sure how to make quality looking video with a smaller size. Do you guys have any suggestions?

May 27th, 2006, 07:11 PM	#175
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	It depends on the subject matter, but I can generally get by with 512K using a 320X240 frame size. You might be able to reduce the frame rate as well. As I said. It all depends on the material. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

May 28th, 2006, 09:31 AM	#176
Lars Siden Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 469	I have 4gb now. When I had Premiere Pro 2 running and started After Effects 6.5 it said "0% of 2gb allocated". That implies that every program can if it wishes allocate a maximum of 2gb. The /3gb switch should give lets say After Effects the possibility to allocate 3gb(if the program supports it). So for now, I'll have 4gb without the switch. //Lazze __________________ Sony HDR-CX130,Canon 5DMKII,i7 930@4.0, 12gb memory, 3x SSD + 2x1Tb(stripe), Geforce 480, Dual 24", Win 7 x64

May 28th, 2006, 10:41 AM	#177
Charles A. Smith New Boot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Temple City, CA Posts: 13	Making it look like image is moving? Hello all, I've been working on a little project and it requires that I make an image look like its moving away from screen. I figured all that out and everything. I rendered all of it. The problem I'm getting is when I do a full screen preview the rotational movement I have the image doing is really choppy. Any help would be appriciated. Also, what should I make my project into so that I can put it on something like googlevideo or youtube? BTW I'm using Pro1.5

May 28th, 2006, 04:12 PM	#178
Monte Comeau Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 71	DVD Templates Is there any other DVD templates available for PP2?

May 28th, 2006, 09:01 PM	#179
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	I have not seen any. If anyone would like to contribute, I will be happy to host them on my site. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

May 29th, 2006, 05:05 PM	#180
Dennis Jakobsen New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 13	Editing in Fields Hi, I have been wondering if it is possible to edit in fields. What i mean is, being able to make a cut in the center of a frame. Therefore making you capable of having one image staying only 1/50 of a second on the screen, instead of the 1/25... That frames allow. My camera records in fields, and is in no way capable of progressive mode. I just need to be able to control the edit in more detail. Hope you can help me! Thank you.