Problem 25i and 25p at DVinfo.net

Primoz Lazar · May 5th, 2014, 09:32 AM

Helo, I am using Premiere and Media Encoder CS6.

Problem appears when I combine 25i and 25p material from 3 cameras.

Montage is in 25i HDV sequence.

Two cameras rec in HDV 50i and photo camera (5D mark 3) recs 25p HD.

When i combine shoots, image from photo camera is flickering.

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SLI...ature=youtu.be (middle shoot)

How can I combine thoose to images, 25i or 50i and 25p with no INTERLACING PROBLEM.

Any idea? I need this help, tnx :)

Anyway, look at my work: VIDEO JPL

Cao. TNX :)

Jeff Pulera · May 5th, 2014, 01:32 PM

The issue with middle clip is judder, brought on by panning when shooting with a slow, progressive frame rate. Hollywood movies exhibit the same issue, being shot at 24fps.

How do you plan to deliver - what format/device? If for web/YouTube, that delivery will be progressive anyway, so try editing in a 25p sequence, but I don't think things will improve. Try it though

Thanks

Primoz Lazar · May 7th, 2014, 07:31 AM

I think I made mistake, that interlace is because of slow motion.
So It is not problem any more. Yes it is for youtoube.

I have another problem now.

My another movie is recorded in progressive 25p HD 1980x1080.
I must burn Blu-ray disc for TELEVISON.

And I dont have any idea how to burn PROGRESSIVE material to disc with no interlacing on TV - blu ray player.

I cant burn that PROGRESSIVE Footage from Premiere CS6 25p sequence, through ENCORE to Blu-ray disc? Image on TV is not smooth, it is interlacing, flickering, have you any idea how to burn PROGRESSIVE image to Blu-ray HD.

Thanks, Primoz

Harm Millaard · May 7th, 2014, 11:29 AM

25P is not a legal format for Blu-Ray.

Andrew Smith · May 7th, 2014, 01:57 PM

Toss it all in to a 50i timeline and then output to a (interlaced) BluRay disc. Your progressive sourced video camera content will still appear progressive.

Andrew

Primoz Lazar · May 7th, 2014, 04:00 PM

Thanks, what is sollution to combine those Images, I and P?

Really?

Primoz

Andrew Smith · May 7th, 2014, 04:03 PM

Drag the sequence for your 25p edit timeline, placing it in to a 25i timeline. Or just export out to an interlaced format per the settings in Adobe Media Encoder.

Andrew

Primoz Lazar · May 7th, 2014, 05:21 PM

Any of this combinations dont work, I tried much a lot.

I just cannot export progressive to DISC, It is always lagging... :(

Andrew Smith · May 7th, 2014, 05:26 PM

What exactly do you mean by "lagging"?

Andrew

Primoz Lazar · May 7th, 2014, 05:58 PM

So on TV it is flickering, it is not smooth, it laggs a little bit, it is not like interlaced sequence that goes right.

Sorry of my english, I hope you understand me.

If I burn 25p material to Bluray or DVD it is not smooth.
It does not help if I convert that sequence to 25i, it is the same, not good result. If you say that Blurays and DVDs are not supportinh 25p material, how is it possible to use that material on Blu Ray or DVD, playing it on Televison with Blu ray Player?

Any method in Premiere CS6 for deinterlacing, interpret footage or whatever, I am exhausted of making it right :)

Andrew Smith · May 7th, 2014, 06:05 PM

I think you will find that the field order (for the interlacing) is around the wrong way. Try the other one (odd/even) and see how it goes.

Andrew

Harm Millaard · May 8th, 2014, 12:18 AM

Put your footage all in a 25i sequence (including the 25P material) and export to BR with a 25i preset, using UFF.

Primoz Lazar · May 8th, 2014, 07:07 AM

No this is not workin, as I said :(

It is just not right, seems like there is no function to convert Progressive right to Interlaced for Television.

Andrew Smith · May 8th, 2014, 03:27 PM

Have you tried outputting with the interlaced field order around the other way?

Andrew

Primoz Lazar · May 9th, 2014, 02:46 AM

I tried almost all.

I exported from 25i to HD mpeg Blu ray 25i, upper fields, lower fields, progressive.

I exported from 25p to 25i, upper fields, lower fields, progressive.

Than I exported to h264 25i. And nothing of this gives no good result.

Always lagging, not smooth, trrrr.

No one knows really what is required to do that. Hm but I think one way must go.

May 5th, 2014, 09:32 AM	#1
Primoz Lazar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Slovenia Posts: 65	Problem 25i and 25p Helo, I am using Premiere and Media Encoder CS6. Problem appears when I combine 25i and 25p material from 3 cameras. Montage is in 25i HDV sequence. Two cameras rec in HDV 50i and photo camera (5D mark 3) recs 25p HD. When i combine shoots, image from photo camera is flickering. Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SLI...ature=youtu.be (middle shoot) How can I combine thoose to images, 25i or 50i and 25p with no INTERLACING PROBLEM. Any idea? I need this help, tnx :) Anyway, look at my work: VIDEO JPL Cao. TNX :)

May 5th, 2014, 01:32 PM	#2
Jeff Pulera Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 691	Re: Problem 25i and 25p The issue with middle clip is judder, brought on by panning when shooting with a slow, progressive frame rate. Hollywood movies exhibit the same issue, being shot at 24fps. How do you plan to deliver - what format/device? If for web/YouTube, that delivery will be progressive anyway, so try editing in a 25p sequence, but I don't think things will improve. Try it though Thanks __________________ Jeff Pulera Safe Harbor Computers

May 7th, 2014, 07:31 AM	#3
Primoz Lazar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Slovenia Posts: 65	Re: Problem 25i and 25p I think I made mistake, that interlace is because of slow motion. So It is not problem any more. Yes it is for youtoube. I have another problem now. My another movie is recorded in progressive 25p HD 1980x1080. I must burn Blu-ray disc for TELEVISON. And I dont have any idea how to burn PROGRESSIVE material to disc with no interlacing on TV - blu ray player. I cant burn that PROGRESSIVE Footage from Premiere CS6 25p sequence, through ENCORE to Blu-ray disc? Image on TV is not smooth, it is interlacing, flickering, have you any idea how to burn PROGRESSIVE image to Blu-ray HD. Thanks, Primoz

May 7th, 2014, 11:29 AM	#4
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	Re: Problem 25i and 25p 25P is not a legal format for Blu-Ray.

May 7th, 2014, 01:57 PM	#5
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Problem 25i and 25p Toss it all in to a 50i timeline and then output to a (interlaced) BluRay disc. Your progressive sourced video camera content will still appear progressive. Andrew

May 7th, 2014, 04:00 PM	#6
Primoz Lazar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Slovenia Posts: 65	Re: Problem 25i and 25p Thanks, what is sollution to combine those Images, I and P? Really? Primoz

May 7th, 2014, 04:03 PM	#7
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Problem 25i and 25p Drag the sequence for your 25p edit timeline, placing it in to a 25i timeline. Or just export out to an interlaced format per the settings in Adobe Media Encoder. Andrew

May 7th, 2014, 05:21 PM	#8
Primoz Lazar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Slovenia Posts: 65	Re: Problem 25i and 25p Any of this combinations dont work, I tried much a lot. I just cannot export progressive to DISC, It is always lagging... :(

May 7th, 2014, 05:26 PM	#9
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Problem 25i and 25p What exactly do you mean by "lagging"? Andrew

May 7th, 2014, 05:58 PM	#10
Primoz Lazar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Slovenia Posts: 65	Re: Problem 25i and 25p So on TV it is flickering, it is not smooth, it laggs a little bit, it is not like interlaced sequence that goes right. Sorry of my english, I hope you understand me. If I burn 25p material to Bluray or DVD it is not smooth. It does not help if I convert that sequence to 25i, it is the same, not good result. If you say that Blurays and DVDs are not supportinh 25p material, how is it possible to use that material on Blu Ray or DVD, playing it on Televison with Blu ray Player? Any method in Premiere CS6 for deinterlacing, interpret footage or whatever, I am exhausted of making it right :)

May 7th, 2014, 06:05 PM	#11
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Problem 25i and 25p I think you will find that the field order (for the interlacing) is around the wrong way. Try the other one (odd/even) and see how it goes. Andrew

May 8th, 2014, 12:18 AM	#12
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	Re: Problem 25i and 25p Put your footage all in a 25i sequence (including the 25P material) and export to BR with a 25i preset, using UFF.

May 8th, 2014, 07:07 AM	#13
Primoz Lazar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Slovenia Posts: 65	Re: Problem 25i and 25p No this is not workin, as I said :( It is just not right, seems like there is no function to convert Progressive right to Interlaced for Television.

May 8th, 2014, 03:27 PM	#14
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Problem 25i and 25p Have you tried outputting with the interlaced field order around the other way? Andrew

May 9th, 2014, 02:46 AM	#15
Primoz Lazar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Slovenia Posts: 65	Re: Problem 25i and 25p I tried almost all. I exported from 25i to HD mpeg Blu ray 25i, upper fields, lower fields, progressive. I exported from 25p to 25i, upper fields, lower fields, progressive. Than I exported to h264 25i. And nothing of this gives no good result. Always lagging, not smooth, trrrr. No one knows really what is required to do that. Hm but I think one way must go.