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Nigel Barker · December 1st, 2013, 09:24 AM

Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore insists on transcoding

Here is the latest example of what Adobe have buggered up in their newest CC update that causes hours of fruitless work & frustration.

I hit this a couple of weeks ago & thought that it was a problem with my Encore setup. Now I hit it again & after some testing & searching on the Adobe support forums discovered that there is a bug in the latest version of Adobe Media Encoder included with Premiere Pro 7.1. When you export a video from Premiere Pro using a preset for H.264 Blu-ray then Encore still insists on re-encoding the video file instead of recognising it as a valid Blu-ray file & labelling it Do Not Transcode it leaves it as Untranscoded.
Adobe Community: Premiere Pro CC 7.1 Update Kills Bluray (H264) Exports...help!

The workaround that they mention on the forum is to roll back Premiere Pro to 7.0.1 but that looks messy. The Adobe folks have reproduced the bug so hopefully it will be fixed soon Adobe Community: Blu ray movies now appear untranscoded encore cs6 premiere 7.1

The workaround that I have found is to use the preset MPEG2 Blu-ray which if the duration of the video is not too long still has decent quality if you use a high bit rate. It also encodes really really fast on my machine (just about real time) much faster than encoding to H.264 Blu-ray.

It's not clear whether the problem is that the preset for H.264 Blu-ray in Adobe Media Encoder is not producing a valid file for Blu-ray or whether the file is OK but Encore doesn't recognise that it is valid and doesn't need transcoding.

I hope that this heads up will save others wasting hours of time as I have trying to find the cause of the problem.

Ann Bens · December 1st, 2013, 02:45 PM

Yes that is a bug.
I export with lagarith and then encode in AMECS6.
Mpeg2 is a lesser codec. H.264 is more effecient and better picture quality.

Paul R Johnson · December 1st, 2013, 03:02 PM

I've only just broken my "I will not pay Adobe each month to 'rent' software" rule, and signed up, and totally missed the fact that CC doesn't have an Encore version - all my work goes to DVD, so the internal link feature that I use all the time is now gone!

Ann Bens · December 1st, 2013, 06:01 PM

When I was still on CS6 I never used DL (more or less a leftover from CS5. As that version flipped the fields when going from HDV to DVD via DL.. Exported everything from Premiere.
Now its a bit of a hassle having to encode twice.

Nigel Barker · December 2nd, 2013, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ann Bens

Yes that is a bug.
I export with lagarith and then encode in AMECS6.
Mpeg2 is a lesser codec. H.264 is more effecient and better picture quality.

I agree but 40Mbps MPEG2 video is pretty decent quality & I doubt that any of my customers will notice. I deliver wedding videos on DVD & Blu-ray & the latter looks way better quality than the DVD with 8Mbos video.

Nigel Barker · December 2nd, 2013, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ann Bens

When I was still on CS6 I never used DL (more or less a leftover from CS5. As that version flipped the fields when going from HDV to DVD via DL.. Exported everything from Premiere.
Now its a bit of a hassle having to encode twice.

I gave up using Dynamic Link as it was so buggy & erratic. When it worked it was brilliant but I could never rely on it & it would spontaneously decide that assets had changed when they hadn't & force re-encoding.

If you do go through the route of encoding twice the fastest & best quality way is to export from Premiere Pro in a lossless CODEC like ProRes or Cineform.

Ann Bens · December 2nd, 2013, 11:29 AM

I am on a PC so no Proress and I do have Cineform but it does not export properly on my machine.
So 'stuck' with Lagarith...

John Richard · December 3rd, 2013, 09:45 AM

Clearly Encore needs to be put back into the toolset. Optical is still a big part of many folks' businesses. I was worried that this workaround of going back to CS6 to use Encore was not going to work for long while CC was growing forward.

Robert Young · January 2nd, 2014, 12:48 AM

Happy News...
Looks like Blu Ray files transcoded from PPro CC and AME CC are now accepted by Encore CS6 as compliant and not requiring further transcode.
I'm not using optical as much as I used to, so I haven't tried in a while, but I just now transcoded a PPro CC AVCHD timeline using my prexisting (from PPro CS6) preset for Encore compliant Blu Ray h.264.
This time when I import the transcoded file into encore as a timeline, I get the desired "do not transcode" notification.
Sure enough, Encore quickly built & burnt a BD for me that plays like magic on BD player and looks stunning on HDTV.
Last time I tried this, Encore CS6 kept insisting that my file would need to be retranscoded no matter what.
All the workarounds looked pretty grim to me- but now seems like Adobe has fixed the bug
Many thanks...

Nigel Barker · January 2nd, 2014, 03:23 AM

Sorry, I should have updated this thread. Adobe shipped the fix in the latest update a few weeks ago.

December 1st, 2013, 09:24 AM	#1
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore insists Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore insists on transcoding Here is the latest example of what Adobe have buggered up in their newest CC update that causes hours of fruitless work & frustration. I hit this a couple of weeks ago & thought that it was a problem with my Encore setup. Now I hit it again & after some testing & searching on the Adobe support forums discovered that there is a bug in the latest version of Adobe Media Encoder included with Premiere Pro 7.1. When you export a video from Premiere Pro using a preset for H.264 Blu-ray then Encore still insists on re-encoding the video file instead of recognising it as a valid Blu-ray file & labelling it Do Not Transcode it leaves it as Untranscoded. Adobe Community: Premiere Pro CC 7.1 Update Kills Bluray (H264) Exports...help! The workaround that they mention on the forum is to roll back Premiere Pro to 7.0.1 but that looks messy. The Adobe folks have reproduced the bug so hopefully it will be fixed soon Adobe Community: Blu ray movies now appear untranscoded encore cs6 premiere 7.1 The workaround that I have found is to use the preset MPEG2 Blu-ray which if the duration of the video is not too long still has decent quality if you use a high bit rate. It also encodes really really fast on my machine (just about real time) much faster than encoding to H.264 Blu-ray. It's not clear whether the problem is that the preset for H.264 Blu-ray in Adobe Media Encoder is not producing a valid file for Blu-ray or whether the file is OK but Encore doesn't recognise that it is valid and doesn't need transcoding. I hope that this heads up will save others wasting hours of time as I have trying to find the cause of the problem.

December 1st, 2013, 02:45 PM	#2
Ann Bens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 710	Re: Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore ins Yes that is a bug. I export with lagarith and then encode in AMECS6. Mpeg2 is a lesser codec. H.264 is more effecient and better picture quality. __________________ ACE Premiere Pro CC Adobe Community Professional

December 1st, 2013, 03:02 PM	#3
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,049	Re: Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore ins I've only just broken my "I will not pay Adobe each month to 'rent' software" rule, and signed up, and totally missed the fact that CC doesn't have an Encore version - all my work goes to DVD, so the internal link feature that I use all the time is now gone!

December 1st, 2013, 06:01 PM	#4
Ann Bens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 710	Re: Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore ins When I was still on CS6 I never used DL (more or less a leftover from CS5. As that version flipped the fields when going from HDV to DVD via DL.. Exported everything from Premiere. Now its a bit of a hassle having to encode twice. __________________ ACE Premiere Pro CC Adobe Community Professional

December 2nd, 2013, 11:29 AM	#7
Ann Bens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 710	Re: Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore ins I am on a PC so no Proress and I do have Cineform but it does not export properly on my machine. So 'stuck' with Lagarith... __________________ ACE Premiere Pro CC Adobe Community Professional

December 3rd, 2013, 09:45 AM	#8
John Richard Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Incline Village, Nevada Posts: 604	Re: Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore ins Clearly Encore needs to be put back into the toolset. Optical is still a big part of many folks' businesses. I was worried that this workaround of going back to CS6 to use Encore was not going to work for long while CC was growing forward.

January 2nd, 2014, 12:48 AM	#9
Robert Young Trustee Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Coronado Island Posts: 1,472	Re: Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore ins Happy News... Looks like Blu Ray files transcoded from PPro CC and AME CC are now accepted by Encore CS6 as compliant and not requiring further transcode. I'm not using optical as much as I used to, so I haven't tried in a while, but I just now transcoded a PPro CC AVCHD timeline using my prexisting (from PPro CS6) preset for Encore compliant Blu Ray h.264. This time when I import the transcoded file into encore as a timeline, I get the desired "do not transcode" notification. Sure enough, Encore quickly built & burnt a BD for me that plays like magic on BD player and looks stunning on HDTV. Last time I tried this, Encore CS6 kept insisting that my file would need to be retranscoded no matter what. All the workarounds looked pretty grim to me- but now seems like Adobe has fixed the bug Many thanks... __________________ Bob

January 2nd, 2014, 03:23 AM	#10
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	Re: Latest version of Adobe Media Encoder creates H.264 Blu-ray files that Encore ins Sorry, I should have updated this thread. Adobe shipped the fix in the latest update a few weeks ago.