CS5 file to FC Pro at DVinfo.net

Mike Wade · March 30th, 2011, 08:13 AM

I need to transfer a full HD file - frame size 1280x720 progressive scan from PP CS5 to a Final Cut Pro 'friendly compression' file (i.e.no H264 etc) without losing quality.
Can I export from within Premiere to an appropriate AVI or QT file and if so how ? I have only just got Premiere Pro 5 and I can't work out the export settings or procedures.

Harm Millaard · March 30th, 2011, 11:10 AM

Don't export, simply use file copy from Explorer/Finder without any conversion.

Mike Wade · March 31st, 2011, 05:03 AM

Sorry Harm but I don't understand, I'm afraid. Could you expand your answer a little please ? I am in PP5 with a 10 sec clip highlighted which I eventually want to FTP to a FCP editor. What do I do now to follow your suggestion ?

Harm Millaard · March 31st, 2011, 07:25 AM

Mike,

You have the clip on your PC. You need to have it accessible over FTP from a MAC. Just copy the clip over to your website or upload it to an externally hosted web. You can use something like Filezilla to do that.

If you have edited the clip and export it to some format, you will always have a quality loss because of recompression. In that case you can use almost any MAC friendly format, but you may still have to upload to your website with Filezilla or the like for FTP download.

Mike Wade · March 31st, 2011, 10:09 AM

Thank you for your time and patience, Harm.

Your reply makes perfect sense but unfortunately the clip _is_ ( and has to be) edited I'm afraid. By 'clip' I meant a short sequence (10 secs or so) on the timeline within the Premiere project. And the FCP editor wants the clip to be in a 'FCP friendly' format. I have tried File>Export>Media and used the following settings:

Format: QT, Video Codec: jpeg2000.
Frame Size:1080x720, Field Type: Progressive ( as Camera settings and Project )
Aspect Ratio: I have tried both Square Pixels (Project preset) and HD Anamorphic 1080 (1.333)
Bit depth: 32

When I export using these settings and play back in QT player the picture quality seems OK but it is unacceptably jerky.

Do you have any suggestions as to why this is so and how to improve it ?

Kevin Monahan · March 31st, 2011, 03:37 PM

Try File > Export > Final Cut Pro XML. Import the XML file into FCP.
No guarantee how well those clips will play in FCP, especially if they are native DSLR.
Let us know how it goes.

Mike Wade · April 1st, 2011, 02:24 AM

Thanks Kevin but the FCP editor has asked me not to send him XML files - they have proved time-consuming and problematic in the past - apparently.

Harm Millaard · April 1st, 2011, 02:49 AM

Mike,

Have you tried either H.264 (the non-QT version) or QT-H.264? Possibly J2000 is causing the problems.

Mike Wade · April 1st, 2011, 05:11 AM

Thanks Harm but I have been warned off using H264 and CS5 does not specify QT-H264 or non QT-H264. I have tried Motion JPEG A as the QT codec and it seems to do the trick - plays OK in QT player anyway. This codec setting has an option as to Number of Fields (1 or 2) and Field Dominance (Even or Odd.)I have selected Number of Fields 1. What do you think ?

Mike Wade · April 2nd, 2011, 03:45 AM

It has been suggested elsewhere that I go to File>Export>Media and select the 'Match Sequence Settings'
option and FTP that to the FCP editor who should be able to handle the clip without me having to convert it to a .mov file. Is that more or less what you originally suggested Harm ?

Toon Verlinden · April 3rd, 2011, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Wade

Thanks Kevin but the FCP editor has asked me not to send him XML files - they have proved time-consuming and problematic in the past - apparently.

I worked on a big project with a PC and the other contributer had a Mac. We always shared XML's to work with each other. It worked perfect without any quality loss. Maybe you can still convince editor to use XML :-)

Another option, if the clip is not to long, is to render the clip out as an Image Sequence and import the images in FCP. I don't like to work with a lot of images, but you don't lose to much quality I guess.

Mike Wade · April 3rd, 2011, 03:56 PM

Thanks Toon, and welcome to the forum !
Your suggestion is worth a try. The clip I am FTP'ing is a mere 10 secs test clip . The program will eventually be 4 mins long.

March 30th, 2011, 08:13 AM	#1
Mike Wade Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 161	CS5 file to FC Pro I need to transfer a full HD file - frame size 1280x720 progressive scan from PP CS5 to a Final Cut Pro 'friendly compression' file (i.e.no H264 etc) without losing quality. Can I export from within Premiere to an appropriate AVI or QT file and if so how ? I have only just got Premiere Pro 5 and I can't work out the export settings or procedures. __________________ Premiere CS5, EX1, 2xFX1,SonyA1,GlideTrack.

March 30th, 2011, 11:10 AM	#2
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro Don't export, simply use file copy from Explorer/Finder without any conversion.

March 31st, 2011, 05:03 AM	#3
Mike Wade Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 161	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro Sorry Harm but I don't understand, I'm afraid. Could you expand your answer a little please ? I am in PP5 with a 10 sec clip highlighted which I eventually want to FTP to a FCP editor. What do I do now to follow your suggestion ? __________________ Premiere CS5, EX1, 2xFX1,SonyA1,GlideTrack. Last edited by Mike Wade; March 31st, 2011 at 05:04 AM. Reason: Shorten third sentence

March 31st, 2011, 07:25 AM	#4
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro Mike, You have the clip on your PC. You need to have it accessible over FTP from a MAC. Just copy the clip over to your website or upload it to an externally hosted web. You can use something like Filezilla to do that. If you have edited the clip and export it to some format, you will always have a quality loss because of recompression. In that case you can use almost any MAC friendly format, but you may still have to upload to your website with Filezilla or the like for FTP download.

March 31st, 2011, 10:09 AM	#5
Mike Wade Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 161	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro Thank you for your time and patience, Harm. Your reply makes perfect sense but unfortunately the clip _is_ ( and has to be) edited I'm afraid. By 'clip' I meant a short sequence (10 secs or so) on the timeline within the Premiere project. And the FCP editor wants the clip to be in a 'FCP friendly' format. I have tried File>Export>Media and used the following settings: Format: QT, Video Codec: jpeg2000. Frame Size:1080x720, Field Type: Progressive ( as Camera settings and Project ) Aspect Ratio: I have tried both Square Pixels (Project preset) and HD Anamorphic 1080 (1.333) Bit depth: 32 When I export using these settings and play back in QT player the picture quality seems OK but it is unacceptably jerky. Do you have any suggestions as to why this is so and how to improve it ? __________________ Premiere CS5, EX1, 2xFX1,SonyA1,GlideTrack.

March 31st, 2011, 03:37 PM	#6
Kevin Monahan Adobe Systems Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 191	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro Try File > Export > Final Cut Pro XML. Import the XML file into FCP. No guarantee how well those clips will play in FCP, especially if they are native DSLR. Let us know how it goes. __________________ Kevin Monahan - Support Product Manager—DVA After Effects - Premiere Pro - Media Encoder - Prelude - SpeedGrade - Encore

April 1st, 2011, 02:24 AM	#7
Mike Wade Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 161	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro Thanks Kevin but the FCP editor has asked me not to send him XML files - they have proved time-consuming and problematic in the past - apparently. __________________ Premiere CS5, EX1, 2xFX1,SonyA1,GlideTrack.

April 1st, 2011, 02:49 AM	#8
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro Mike, Have you tried either H.264 (the non-QT version) or QT-H.264? Possibly J2000 is causing the problems.

April 1st, 2011, 05:11 AM	#9
Mike Wade Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 161	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro Thanks Harm but I have been warned off using H264 and CS5 does not specify QT-H264 or non QT-H264. I have tried Motion JPEG A as the QT codec and it seems to do the trick - plays OK in QT player anyway. This codec setting has an option as to Number of Fields (1 or 2) and Field Dominance (Even or Odd.)I have selected Number of Fields 1. What do you think ? __________________ Premiere CS5, EX1, 2xFX1,SonyA1,GlideTrack.

April 2nd, 2011, 03:45 AM	#10
Mike Wade Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 161	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro It has been suggested elsewhere that I go to File>Export>Media and select the 'Match Sequence Settings' option and FTP that to the FCP editor who should be able to handle the clip without me having to convert it to a .mov file. Is that more or less what you originally suggested Harm ? __________________ Premiere CS5, EX1, 2xFX1,SonyA1,GlideTrack.

April 3rd, 2011, 03:56 PM	#12
Mike Wade Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 161	Re: CS5 file to FC Pro Thanks Toon, and welcome to the forum ! Your suggestion is worth a try. The clip I am FTP'ing is a mere 10 secs test clip . The program will eventually be 4 mins long. __________________ Premiere CS5, EX1, 2xFX1,SonyA1,GlideTrack. Last edited by Mike Wade; April 3rd, 2011 at 04:04 PM. Reason: Posted before I had finished.