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Khalil Ismail · July 14th, 2010, 09:26 PM

I am just wondering what people are using to be preview on an external monitor and do CC with CS5. any help or advice will appreciated. I am looking at BMD or Matrox Mxo2 mini..

Thanks for your time..

Khalil Ismail · July 17th, 2010, 11:54 AM

91 Views and no answer. Just wondering no one uses external monitor for previewing & CC with Premiere CS5. I would like to buy something that works and what best to know what other than users. Sales persons try to cover the Sh...............with a snow the snow will melt fast and I do not want to be stuck with you know what. Please advice.. Thanks

Jay West · July 17th, 2010, 01:01 PM

Lack of response might be due to CS5 still being relatively new and requires new drivers for most of the hardware folks used for external monitor display under CS4.

With CS4, I used a Matrox MXO-2 Mini with an hdmi feed to a Sony 26" Bravia HD tv. The Mini enables calibration of the external tv so as to get pretty accurate color. Unfortunately, the version 2.1 drivers did not work with CS5 nor did the version 2.2 drivers that are for Avid MC5 only. Matrox released the version 3.0 software earlier this week. It seems to work pretty well for me. The limitations that I've found are: (1) so far, you can't run the Mini with both MC5 and CS5 because each program uses a different version of the Matrox software; (2) there seem to be some issues when using Cineform sequence presets with multi-cam sequences (though I do not know if those problems existed prior to my installing the new Matrox drivers with CS5); and (3) the multi-cam monitor/window (the one with the four streams of windows) won't give real time playback when you run four streams of native AVCHD. (But, no problem if you convert your AVCHD streams to Cineform.)

For comparisons to other systems. I'm using an I7/920 -GTX260 system running CS5 Production Premium under Win 7. The multi-cam issue took me a while to figure out. When using a Matrox sequence preset for a multi-cam sequence, I have no problem with real time playback from the timeline & program & source monitors, but cannot get it in the four windows of the multi-cam monitor when running more four native AVCHD streams in a multi-cam sequence. Hitting the play button in the multicam window/monitor results in all four streams appearing horizontally squeezed with some serious vertical banding and then everything grinds to a halt. So the workflow for multi-cam editing of four streams of AVCHD is to either: (1) sliding the cursor on the main timeline (where the four multi-cam streams move in the multi-cam window) and just hitting play for the timeline/program monitor to check the work or (2) if I want to edit using real-time play in the multi-cam window (that is, hitting the play button in the multi-cam window and just clicking on streams as they play), I have to use an Adobe AVCHD sequence preset which means no external display while I do the multi-cam edits with that window. This problem only occurs with 4 AVCHD streams in the multi-cam timeline. With HDV and other streams, no problem and so far, everything else seems to work as advertised.

Don Blish · July 17th, 2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Khalil Ismail

91 Views and no answer. Just wondering no one uses external monitor for previewing & CC with Premiere CS5. I would like to buy something that works and what best to know what other than users. Sales persons try to cover the Sh...............with a snow the snow will melt fast and I do not want to be stuck with you know what. Please advice.. Thanks

When I ran CS2 on a Matrox Parhelia card, I had a fine preview, full screen monitor, but it was only for preview and was idle in any other application. In researching the move to CS4 (now CS5) I concluded most users just had a second monitor with the desktop streching over both and they undocked the preview pane then scaled it to fit the righthand pane. No - its not pixel perfect to put a 1920 across image on a 1920 across second monitor since it is scaled down a bit to allow for shuttle controls on the bottom, but playback is never quite as sharp as the finally encoded project is anyway. When PremPro is NOT up, then you have more real estate for photoshop, bridge etc.

Khalil Ismail · July 17th, 2010, 04:43 PM

Thank you Both for your reply
Jay. Thanks for the detailed answered.It was not lack of respect to this form. I was just wondering with all the views, someone will share what or how they are using CS5, knowing it lacks I/O solution. I have been trying to find which direction I go. since I am kissing my Matrox RTX2 goodbye. I have not had such smooth edit and playback like CS5, I am very happy. just needed to get the best solution from actual users Experience with Matrox Mini or BMD since these are the solution I know about unless there is something else I am not aware off. Thanks again for your time.

Tim Kolb · July 17th, 2010, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Khalil Ismail

I was just wondering with all the views, someone will share what or how they are using CS5, knowing it lacks I/O solution. I have been trying to find which direction I go. since I am kissing my Matrox RTX2 goodbye. I have not had such smooth edit and playback like CS5, I am very happy. just needed to get the best solution from actual users Experience with Matrox Mini or BMD since these are the solution I know about unless there is something else I am not aware off.

There is AJA... I use a Kona LHi and a I/O Express. CS5 drivers are ready to go for those solutions.

As the software gets stronger, there are less and less I/O solutions that are actually "accelerators" like the Axio products used to be. AJA's solutions are known to have very clean signal quality.

BlueFish 444 still makes high-end I/O cards for Adobe...

Khalil Ismail · July 29th, 2010, 05:39 PM

Thank you Tim fro your response, I appreciate it very much. I will look into all although some fall out of my price range.So far far out CS5 is great with adding any other hardware.. not a single crash. Just waiting to see what is best for I/O to an external monitor fro color correction. Thanks again to all

Steve Kalle · July 29th, 2010, 06:32 PM

Khalil,

There is a great article over at provideocoalition.com discussing Premiere CS5 and monitoring. Basically, it says that Premiere CS5 is the first NLE that can output YUV to RGB real-time and combine that with a high end LCD and you don't need a pro I/O card/device. In another article there, the author discusses the need for the LCD to be calibrated to Rec 601 (SD) or Rec 709 (HD) in order to provide any sort of accurate color - this is something that no I/O card/device can do.

Khalil Ismail · July 29th, 2010, 07:38 PM

I will check this article right now. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Read one article and he refers to other articles that Will keep me busy learnimg more about different solutions

Side note: any one has any experience or know much about this product : http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc....html#features

Steve Kalle · July 29th, 2010, 08:32 PM

Khalil, if you have the budget, the 20" JVC with HD-SDI is only $2000 at B&H which is an AMAZING deal - it used to be $3500. As you will see in those articles, the author likes the high end JVC LCDs partly because they have a Rec 709 preset.

There is another thread around here where someone mentioned a new NEC LCD that has several gamut presets (including 709) which is about $1200. The LCD might have a 10 bit display but I don't see how NEC is able to provide a quality 10 bit display $800 less than the nearest 10 bit competitor (Eizo CG243W). I have not mentioned it before because LCD display technology just doesn't move that quickly. Only 3 years ago the HP Dreamcolor was released and it was the first affordable 10 bit LCD capable of serious color grading and was $3500. Then last September, the Eizo CG243W was released at $2400 - now $2000. I purchased the Eizo because its newer and doesn't have all the requirements of the HP (must have Progressive & RGB in order to enable its 'Dreamcolor Engine').

As far as I/O devices, I highly prefer Aja because most software is supported such as Cineform whereas that MOTU does not work with Cineform.

Khalil Ismail · July 29th, 2010, 11:30 PM

Thank you very much for your advice and input. I will look into all of this and see what I can afford or wait a bit and make sure I have enough money to buy the right product. again many thanks

July 14th, 2010, 09:26 PM	#1
Khalil Ismail Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Palm Desert California Posts: 42	I/O solution for CS5 I am just wondering what people are using to be preview on an external monitor and do CC with CS5. any help or advice will appreciated. I am looking at BMD or Matrox Mxo2 mini.. Thanks for your time.. Last edited by Khalil Ismail; July 15th, 2010 at 05:41 PM.

July 17th, 2010, 11:54 AM	#2
Khalil Ismail Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Palm Desert California Posts: 42	wow 91 Views and no answer. Just wondering no one uses external monitor for previewing & CC with Premiere CS5. I would like to buy something that works and what best to know what other than users. Sales persons try to cover the Sh...............with a snow the snow will melt fast and I do not want to be stuck with you know what. Please advice.. Thanks

July 17th, 2010, 04:43 PM	#5
Khalil Ismail Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Palm Desert California Posts: 42	Thanks Thank you Both for your reply Jay. Thanks for the detailed answered.It was not lack of respect to this form. I was just wondering with all the views, someone will share what or how they are using CS5, knowing it lacks I/O solution. I have been trying to find which direction I go. since I am kissing my Matrox RTX2 goodbye. I have not had such smooth edit and playback like CS5, I am very happy. just needed to get the best solution from actual users Experience with Matrox Mini or BMD since these are the solution I know about unless there is something else I am not aware off. Thanks again for your time.

July 29th, 2010, 05:39 PM	#7
Khalil Ismail Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Palm Desert California Posts: 42	Thanks Tim Thank you Tim fro your response, I appreciate it very much. I will look into all although some fall out of my price range.So far far out CS5 is great with adding any other hardware.. not a single crash. Just waiting to see what is best for I/O to an external monitor fro color correction. Thanks again to all

July 29th, 2010, 07:38 PM	#9
Khalil Ismail Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Palm Desert California Posts: 42	Many Thanks Steve I will check this article right now. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Read one article and he refers to other articles that Will keep me busy learnimg more about different solutions Side note: any one has any experience or know much about this product : http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc....html#features Last edited by Khalil Ismail; July 29th, 2010 at 08:13 PM.

July 17th, 2010, 01:01 PM	#3
Jay West Major Player Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Red Lodge, Montana Posts: 889	Lack of response might be due to CS5 still being relatively new and requires new drivers for most of the hardware folks used for external monitor display under CS4. With CS4, I used a Matrox MXO-2 Mini with an hdmi feed to a Sony 26" Bravia HD tv. The Mini enables calibration of the external tv so as to get pretty accurate color. Unfortunately, the version 2.1 drivers did not work with CS5 nor did the version 2.2 drivers that are for Avid MC5 only. Matrox released the version 3.0 software earlier this week. It seems to work pretty well for me. The limitations that I've found are: (1) so far, you can't run the Mini with both MC5 and CS5 because each program uses a different version of the Matrox software; (2) there seem to be some issues when using Cineform sequence presets with multi-cam sequences (though I do not know if those problems existed prior to my installing the new Matrox drivers with CS5); and (3) the multi-cam monitor/window (the one with the four streams of windows) won't give real time playback when you run four streams of native AVCHD. (But, no problem if you convert your AVCHD streams to Cineform.) For comparisons to other systems. I'm using an I7/920 -GTX260 system running CS5 Production Premium under Win 7. The multi-cam issue took me a while to figure out. When using a Matrox sequence preset for a multi-cam sequence, I have no problem with real time playback from the timeline & program & source monitors, but cannot get it in the four windows of the multi-cam monitor when running more four native AVCHD streams in a multi-cam sequence. Hitting the play button in the multicam window/monitor results in all four streams appearing horizontally squeezed with some serious vertical banding and then everything grinds to a halt. So the workflow for multi-cam editing of four streams of AVCHD is to either: (1) sliding the cursor on the main timeline (where the four multi-cam streams move in the multi-cam window) and just hitting play for the timeline/program monitor to check the work or (2) if I want to edit using real-time play in the multi-cam window (that is, hitting the play button in the multi-cam window and just clicking on streams as they play), I have to use an Adobe AVCHD sequence preset which means no external display while I do the multi-cam edits with that window. This problem only occurs with 4 AVCHD streams in the multi-cam timeline. With HDV and other streams, no problem and so far, everything else seems to work as advertised.

July 29th, 2010, 06:32 PM	#8
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Khalil, There is a great article over at provideocoalition.com discussing Premiere CS5 and monitoring. Basically, it says that Premiere CS5 is the first NLE that can output YUV to RGB real-time and combine that with a high end LCD and you don't need a pro I/O card/device. In another article there, the author discusses the need for the LCD to be calibrated to Rec 601 (SD) or Rec 709 (HD) in order to provide any sort of accurate color - this is something that no I/O card/device can do.

July 29th, 2010, 08:32 PM	#10
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Khalil, if you have the budget, the 20" JVC with HD-SDI is only $2000 at B&H which is an AMAZING deal - it used to be $3500. As you will see in those articles, the author likes the high end JVC LCDs partly because they have a Rec 709 preset. There is another thread around here where someone mentioned a new NEC LCD that has several gamut presets (including 709) which is about $1200. The LCD might have a 10 bit display but I don't see how NEC is able to provide a quality 10 bit display $800 less than the nearest 10 bit competitor (Eizo CG243W). I have not mentioned it before because LCD display technology just doesn't move that quickly. Only 3 years ago the HP Dreamcolor was released and it was the first affordable 10 bit LCD capable of serious color grading and was $3500. Then last September, the Eizo CG243W was released at $2400 - now $2000. I purchased the Eizo because its newer and doesn't have all the requirements of the HP (must have Progressive & RGB in order to enable its 'Dreamcolor Engine'). As far as I/O devices, I highly prefer Aja because most software is supported such as Cineform whereas that MOTU does not work with Cineform.

July 29th, 2010, 11:30 PM	#11
Khalil Ismail Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Palm Desert California Posts: 42	Thanks Thank you very much for your advice and input. I will look into all of this and see what I can afford or wait a bit and make sure I have enough money to buy the right product. again many thanks