My Unofficial CS5 Premiere vs CS4 Premiere Export #s

[David Dwyer]

Brant that would be great - I'm sitting here looking for a GTX 470..

[David Dwyer]

Here is my 2 clips

CFHD

General
Complete name : D:\Video Capture files\HD Footage\VMAX Judgement Day\Exports\Doug Cineform 1440.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format profile : OpenDML
File size : 1.68 GiB
Duration : 3mn 26s
Overall bit rate : 70.1 Mbps
Recorded date : 2010-05-07T17:06:29.00207+01:00
Writing application : Adobe Media Encoder CS4

Video
Format : CineForm HD
Codec ID : CFHD
Codec ID/Info : CineForm 10-bit Visually Perfect HD (Wavelet)
Duration : 3mn 26s
Bit rate : 68.5 Mbps
Width : 1 440 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.763
Stream size : 1.64 GiB (98%)

Audio
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Unsigned
Codec ID : 1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 3mn 26s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Stream size : 37.8 MiB (2%)
Interleave, duration : 40 ms (1.00 video frame)
Interleave, preload duration : 80 ms

Exporting WMV file that will take 4 hours!

General
Complete name : C:\Video Capture Files\Sequence 01.wmv
Format : Windows Media
File size : 5.47 KiB
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Maximum Overall bit rate : 10.5 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2010-05-07 17:46:12.276

Video
ID : 2
Format : VC-1
Format profile : MP
Codec ID : WMV3
Codec ID/Info : Windows Media Video 9
Codec ID/Hint : WMV3
Description of the codec : Windows Media Video 9 - Professional
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 8 000 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.154
Language : English (GB)

Audio
ID : 1
Format : WMA
Format profile : Pro
Codec ID : 162
Codec ID/Info : Windows Media Audio
Description of the codec : Windows Media Audio 10 Professional - 440 kbps, 44 kHz, 2 channel 24 bit 1-pass CBR
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 440 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Resolution : 24 bits
Language : English (GB)

If MPE speeds this up I'm buying a new GFX now!!

[Brant Gajda]

David,

I may need your help since I never really use WMV to encode files. Here is what I setup in my export settings and you can let me know what I did wrong/right:

Export Settings:
Windows Media
Preset Custom

Video:
Codec: WMV 9 Professional
Encoding Passes: 1
Bitrate mode: Constant
Pixels: 1920x1080
Frame Rate: 29.97 (matches my footage)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square 1.0

Bitrate Settings
Max Bitrate: 10,000kbps (10Mbps)
Image Quality 100

Audio Same as your listings.


Total output time was 11mins and 2 secs. Video quality looks absolutely perfect, but wasn't sure if my settings match up with yours.

[David Dwyer]

11mins! hah and there is me with my 4 hours!.

Only difference is my source CFHD file is 1440*1080 1.33PAR and I'm outputting to 1920*1080 1.PAR and I'm doing 2 passes instead of 1.

Now I wonder if I can get a GTX 470 tomorrow.

[Brant Gajda]

Was the 4hrs through CS4 Adobe Media Encoder? If so, that probably explains the majority of the problem.

[David Dwyer]

Yep. Edited a few clips together then exported them to a master CFHD file.

Export that file and it took 3 mins to create the 1.7GB CFHD file. Added this file back into CS4 and exported to WMV file. So there isnt any effects it rendering its just compressing and resizing the clip.

[Mitch Hunt]

Originally Posted by Brant Gajda

Any particular codec used on the SD material?

In my tests I exported to the Lagarith Lossless Codec in the .AVI wrapper. But many other modern codecs could be used in the test as long as they have exactly the same export settings.

I've heard from various sources that the HD to SD quality in CS5 was improved over previous versions. But in my tests the CS5 versions were noticeably softer than the CS4 versions using the exact same settings.