CS5 x64 and Mercury Playback Engine

Randy Johnson · April 11th, 2010, 12:22 PM

I find it hard to beleive that now that all the work is done of creating the technology that only a few cards work. Are'nt most of these cards the same at their core? Something tells me Nvidia is just trying to get us to buy crazy expensive video cards. Personally I dont need all that crazy speed, I just need to edit 2 layers of AVCHD SMOOTHLY which I cant see needing at $400 video card to do. I saw a video demonstration earlier on with the MPE and it seemed to be a bit different, it showed the CPUs only job was playing back the video and all the effects were done by the card. Now it seems like everything is done with the card. oh well I guess we'll all know in about 18 hours.

Paul Newman · April 11th, 2010, 12:58 PM

mmmm, playing AVCHD smoothly = Edius 5.5, its as simple as that. Edius is so smooth, its an agony to use Premiere Pro. At the best of times, the Adobe Media Encoder is so slow and moody, there's no render to timeline and playback stops everytime you touch the keyboard, also after coming to look at PP in its CS4 guise after using Prem 6.5 years ago, I'm amazed at the tool set having remained set in stone, hardly any changes at all.

Oh dear, its sounds like a bit of a moan!

The upside of Premiere is that it edits RED.

I hope the CS5 release packs a few surprises.

Paul

David Dwyer · April 11th, 2010, 01:04 PM

Tomorrow we should find out Paul.

Randy Johnson · April 11th, 2010, 03:15 PM

I have Edius 5.5 and I have been using Edius since v.1 before that Premiere 6.5 the problem I have is GVG is a broadcast company who has no interest in exporting to DVD or BR for that matter. They care about interfacing with their servers me I do weddings and need a full work flow. Edius's DVD export tool looks like it was written by a college student and the exporter does export a Encore compatible file (h.264). Edius is fast because its so stream lined I feel like I can grow more as a editor with CS because of the whole package. Believe me im staying with Edius if it still takes an hour to conform my footage or if its clunky but maybe with the horsepower of the video card it just may be the fast & functional solution we have been waiting for.

Floris van Eck · April 11th, 2010, 11:02 PM

Check out this link for all the details on What's New in Premiere Pro CS5:
digital video editing software | Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 - new features

Encore:
DVD authoring | Adobe Encore CS5

After Effects:
deliver more creative control | Adobe After Effects CS5

Many small enhancements... Mercury Playback Engine is the big new thing.

Gary Brun · April 11th, 2010, 11:40 PM

CS5 is really going to surprise a lot of people.
Adobe have worked really hard on stability and speed... and have pulled it off.
I have been using Premiere since 1.5 and CS5 is the best version ever.

Harm Millaard · April 12th, 2010, 05:37 AM

David,

Can you please post a link to this info you quoted?

Adobe Premiere Pro Mercury Playback Engine is faster than CS4 across the board --- works great on your existing system. If you want even more speed, then you need to grab one of the NVIDIA CUDA cards that we've tuned for (GTX 285, Quadro 3800, 4800, 5800, CX .... optimized support for GTX 480 coming in Q3).
4 hours ago · Report

From their Facebook Page - No 3700 or GTX295?

David Dwyer · April 12th, 2010, 05:43 AM

Yep,

Welcome to Facebook

Mark Morreau · April 12th, 2010, 06:07 AM

Harm,

Just to add that the poster from Adobe on that Premiere Facebook group is, I believe, Dave Helmly, so the Adobe info is coming straight from the horse's mouth, as it were.

Cheers

Mark

Harm Millaard · April 12th, 2010, 07:14 AM

David & Mark,

Thanks for the info and the screenshot.

David Dwyer · April 12th, 2010, 08:57 AM

Adobe CS5 Launch

Almost there!

Dan Burnap · April 12th, 2010, 03:04 PM

Does anyone know that if upgrading my GForce 9500 to a GTX 285 will give me faster Media Encoder renders (from a HMC150 AVCHD native footage on the CS5 Premiere timeline) or just faster timeline performance while editing?

Also, there was talk of a 12gb RAM minimum for PPro? this is now 4GB??

Randy Johnson · April 12th, 2010, 03:17 PM

I think I saw a demo on Nvidias site that said it would greatly speed up encoding too.

Randall Leong · April 12th, 2010, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Burnap

Does anyone know that if upgrading my GForce 9500 to a GTX 285 will give me faster Media Encoder renders (from a HMC150 AVCHD native footage on the CS5 Premiere timeline) or just faster timeline performance while editing?

Both, although you'll notice more of a difference in the timeline performance while editing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Burnap

Also, there was talk of a 12gb RAM minimum for PPro? this is now 4GB??

4GB is the minimum recommended amount of RAM for Premiere CS5. 2GB is the absolute minimum requirement in order to even run CS5 at all. And, the Windows version of Premiere CS5 requires at a minimum an Intel Core 2 Duo or an AMD Phenom II processor to run. In both processor and memory, higher is better.

Jiri Fiala · April 13th, 2010, 04:15 PM

I am hugely sceptical - I just don't see what is so newsworthy about being fast on OMG-level-highend hardware? Hell I can be smooth on Quadcore-CUDA-12GB-64bit computer.

I appreciate the forced move to 64bit ('twas about time), but if even CS5 doesn't fix typical Premiere hurdles (impotent reconnecting, instability ("can't activate camcorder"), unusable trimming, lack of sane keyboard editing options, bad interoperability and unreliable export with multiple points of failure (Premiere, varioous servers running in the background and AME), Premiere is NEVER going beyond wedding videography level market.

April 11th, 2010, 12:58 PM	#77
Paul Newman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Agua Blanca Ibiza Posts: 305	mmmm, playing AVCHD smoothly = Edius 5.5, its as simple as that. Edius is so smooth, its an agony to use Premiere Pro. At the best of times, the Adobe Media Encoder is so slow and moody, there's no render to timeline and playback stops everytime you touch the keyboard, also after coming to look at PP in its CS4 guise after using Prem 6.5 years ago, I'm amazed at the tool set having remained set in stone, hardly any changes at all. Oh dear, its sounds like a bit of a moan! The upside of Premiere is that it edits RED. I hope the CS5 release packs a few surprises. Paul __________________ Another Sunny Day in Ibiza

April 11th, 2010, 11:40 PM	#81
Gary Brun Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kråkstad Norway. Posts: 229	CS5 is really going to surprise a lot of people. Adobe have worked really hard on stability and speed... and have pulled it off. I have been using Premiere since 1.5 and CS5 is the best version ever. __________________ http://www.mlotv.com

April 12th, 2010, 05:43 AM	#83
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	Yep, Welcome to Facebook Attached Thumbnails

April 11th, 2010, 12:22 PM	#76
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	I find it hard to beleive that now that all the work is done of creating the technology that only a few cards work. Are'nt most of these cards the same at their core? Something tells me Nvidia is just trying to get us to buy crazy expensive video cards. Personally I dont need all that crazy speed, I just need to edit 2 layers of AVCHD SMOOTHLY which I cant see needing at $400 video card to do. I saw a video demonstration earlier on with the MPE and it seemed to be a bit different, it showed the CPUs only job was playing back the video and all the effects were done by the card. Now it seems like everything is done with the card. oh well I guess we'll all know in about 18 hours.

April 11th, 2010, 01:04 PM	#78
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	Tomorrow we should find out Paul.

April 11th, 2010, 03:15 PM	#79
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	I have Edius 5.5 and I have been using Edius since v.1 before that Premiere 6.5 the problem I have is GVG is a broadcast company who has no interest in exporting to DVD or BR for that matter. They care about interfacing with their servers me I do weddings and need a full work flow. Edius's DVD export tool looks like it was written by a college student and the exporter does export a Encore compatible file (h.264). Edius is fast because its so stream lined I feel like I can grow more as a editor with CS because of the whole package. Believe me im staying with Edius if it still takes an hour to conform my footage or if its clunky but maybe with the horsepower of the video card it just may be the fast & functional solution we have been waiting for.

April 11th, 2010, 11:02 PM	#80
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	Check out this link for all the details on What's New in Premiere Pro CS5: digital video editing software \| Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 - new features Encore: DVD authoring \| Adobe Encore CS5 After Effects: deliver more creative control \| Adobe After Effects CS5 Many small enhancements... Mercury Playback Engine is the big new thing.

April 12th, 2010, 05:37 AM	#82
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	David, Can you please post a link to this info you quoted? Adobe Premiere Pro Mercury Playback Engine is faster than CS4 across the board --- works great on your existing system. If you want even more speed, then you need to grab one of the NVIDIA CUDA cards that we've tuned for (GTX 285, Quadro 3800, 4800, 5800, CX .... optimized support for GTX 480 coming in Q3). 4 hours ago · Report From their Facebook Page - No 3700 or GTX295?

April 12th, 2010, 06:07 AM	#84
Mark Morreau Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kentish Town, London, UK Posts: 157	Harm, Just to add that the poster from Adobe on that Premiere Facebook group is, I believe, Dave Helmly, so the Adobe info is coming straight from the horse's mouth, as it were. Cheers Mark

April 12th, 2010, 07:14 AM	#85
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	David & Mark, Thanks for the info and the screenshot.

April 12th, 2010, 08:57 AM	#86
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	Adobe CS5 Launch Almost there!

April 12th, 2010, 03:04 PM	#87
Dan Burnap Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 335	Does anyone know that if upgrading my GForce 9500 to a GTX 285 will give me faster Media Encoder renders (from a HMC150 AVCHD native footage on the CS5 Premiere timeline) or just faster timeline performance while editing? Also, there was talk of a 12gb RAM minimum for PPro? this is now 4GB??

April 12th, 2010, 03:17 PM	#88
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	I think I saw a demo on Nvidias site that said it would greatly speed up encoding too.

April 13th, 2010, 04:15 PM	#90
Jiri Fiala Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brno Czech Republic Posts: 453	I am hugely sceptical - I just don't see what is so newsworthy about being fast on OMG-level-highend hardware? Hell I can be smooth on Quadcore-CUDA-12GB-64bit computer. I appreciate the forced move to 64bit ('twas about time), but if even CS5 doesn't fix typical Premiere hurdles (impotent reconnecting, instability ("can't activate camcorder"), unusable trimming, lack of sane keyboard editing options, bad interoperability and unreliable export with multiple points of failure (Premiere, varioous servers running in the background and AME), Premiere is NEVER going beyond wedding videography level market.