Adobe Premiere discussions from 2003

Ryan Krga · October 10th, 2003, 06:20 PM

I fixed the rendering problem, but now I'm having trouble playing back the rendered video. Will Premiere Pro only playback in real time or can you play the rendered video smoothly? My processor isn't the fastest so I'd rather wait for it to render and have smooth playback than playing extremely choppy video with real time.

Richard Austin · October 11th, 2003, 06:14 PM

Thanks will do

Andres Lucero · October 11th, 2003, 09:18 PM

They only recommend OHCI-compliant cards, yours may not be compliant with those standards (some Pinnacle cards aren't, for example).

Rob Lohman · October 12th, 2003, 12:17 PM

I'm not following your question. Can you elaborate?

Ryan Krga · October 12th, 2003, 01:39 PM

When I play the edited video without rendering it is very choppy (Skips frames) because of a slow processor speed, but even after the video is rendered it still plays back the same. Is there anyway I can play it back after rendering so it won't be choppy?

In 6.5 after I rendered the video played perfectly.

Rob Lohman · October 12th, 2003, 01:45 PM

So you are playing back the footage you rendered with the Avid
codec from the Premiere Pro timeline? If so, I still think there is
some weird thing going on between the Avid codec and PPro.
Keep in mind, that the Avid codec was made before PPro came
out.

Perhaps they are working on a solution? Did you check Adobe
and Avid forums?

Ryan Krga · October 12th, 2003, 04:08 PM

No, no. I fixed the Avid codec problem, now it is using the default Intel Video 5.10 codec that came with Premiere.

Chris Yi · October 12th, 2003, 04:13 PM

Hi, my name's Chris, and I'm a high school student who's trying to learn as much about DV as possible. I've learned a lot from reading these boards, but I have a few questions on something I'm still confused about.

I've read a lot about Vegas Video using a DV codec that is superior to the Microsoft codec (which I believe Premiere 6 used). I've recently upgraded to Premiere Pro, but is it still using the same low-quality Microsoft codec, or have they upgraded that as well? And if I wanted to take advantage of a better codec, how could I do that? Would I be able to capture my video in Vegas and then edit in Premiere Pro? Or would that not be any different from capturing and editing solely in Premiere?

Sorry for asking so many questions. Thanks for your help!

Jeff Klein · October 12th, 2003, 06:19 PM

Hi all,
I'm new to Premiere and was curious if anyone has any good suggestions for audio filter or EQ settings to lower the background noise on the audio track. I'm currently using a regular cardioid condenser mic on a boom until I can get a shotgun. It works pretty good but outdoors near highways and inside shopping centers/malls picks up a fair bit of rumble (not wind rumble) even when relatively close-mic'd.

Any good ideas?

Thanks,

Glenn Chan · October 12th, 2003, 06:49 PM

You can try to get rid of rumble by using a low shelf audio filter or a high pass filter. An equalizer will do the same thing. What you want to do is to lower the volume of the lower frequencies (around 100-200 and below).

Don't apply the effect too much or voices will sound distorted. Find a middle ground where voices aren't distorted and the rumble isn't annoying.

This will be easier in a good audio editing program that will let you preview the audio effect in real-time. If you have Premiere Pro you'd probably want to use adobe audition.

Josh King · October 13th, 2003, 03:56 AM

This doesn't answer your question but...

To learn about DV Codecs in general, I point you in the direction of the great Adam Wilt. His site (http://www.adamwilt.com) is chock-full of information on DV, including codecs, codec problems, and other misc. information on it.

Here's one thing on his site that's a little closer to what you're asking. It's not an answer, but it does give some specifics on codecs. http://www.adamwilt.com/DV-FAQ-editing.html

Finally, I want to congratulate you about learning as much as possible about DV. I began playing with video around 14, and ever since then I've been hooked. Now I'm 17, and I'm still learning lots about it.

Don't worry about asking questions, if you don't know, ASK. Somebody here is bound to know what you're talking about! Better you know the right answer than to risk it on something important.

Good Luck!

Jeff Klein · October 13th, 2003, 04:38 AM

Actually Premiere does let you preview the changes on any audio effect; it has a 'Preview sound' box you can check in the setup window while you're adjusting frequency so the audio selection will loop itself with changes applies in almost real time.

I've tried the hi and lo pass with some success, I suppose I'm actually looking for parametric EQ settings. The graphic EQ helps somewhat, but the frequency bandwidths are rather wide with it being only a 7 band EQ.

Thanks,

Brett Howton · October 13th, 2003, 07:45 AM

Hi!
I have a trial copy of Adobe premiere 6.0 that I wish to use to capture to the hard drive some good footage I have. I need it to be the highest quality (broadcast) possible and have fiddled around a little with it. So far I have managed to capture some video but when I play it back it seems to have lines through it. the frame size seems to be set at 720x? Should this be larger? I want to keep this on file so I can start keeping track of footage rather than having to accesss the tapes each time. Problem being I don't want to record over the tapes until I'm sure that what I've captured is 100% perfect copy.

The other thing is, I may not decide to purchase adobe premiere after this trial is up and wonder if anyone has suggestions as to the best software for DV editing, and preferably easy (ier) to use. I'm a complete beginner and some of the options and the layout of premiere6.0 are rather daunting to say the least.
I hope this makes sense and any help would be greatly appreciated!

Adrian Douglas · October 13th, 2003, 08:45 AM

The lines you are seeing Brett could quite possibly be interlacing artifacts. Unlike TVs, computer monitors are progressive displays and often the footage will appear lined. If you could post an image of one of the frames we could better diagnose your problem.

If you want something that is easier to get the hang of then take a look at Vegas Video 4. It's a very popular NLE application and great bang for you buck.

Rob Lohman · October 13th, 2003, 12:04 PM

That should play back fine, althought the quality shouldn't be
too great. Are you sure your PC and OS are fine? Something
really fishy is going on. Again I suggest you check out the
Avid or Adobe forums if they have those on their respective
sites.

PPro is just too new.

October 11th, 2003, 09:18 PM	#648
Andres Lucero Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 75	They only recommend OHCI-compliant cards, yours may not be compliant with those standards (some Pinnacle cards aren't, for example). __________________ "Oy... Aim it downhill."

October 12th, 2003, 12:17 PM	#649
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I'm not following your question. Can you elaborate? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 12th, 2003, 01:45 PM	#651
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	So you are playing back the footage you rendered with the Avid codec from the Premiere Pro timeline? If so, I still think there is some weird thing going on between the Avid codec and PPro. Keep in mind, that the Avid codec was made before PPro came out. Perhaps they are working on a solution? Did you check Adobe and Avid forums? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 12th, 2003, 04:13 PM	#653
Chris Yi Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Walnut Creek (USA) Posts: 32	Premiere Pro DV codec? Hi, my name's Chris, and I'm a high school student who's trying to learn as much about DV as possible. I've learned a lot from reading these boards, but I have a few questions on something I'm still confused about. I've read a lot about Vegas Video using a DV codec that is superior to the Microsoft codec (which I believe Premiere 6 used). I've recently upgraded to Premiere Pro, but is it still using the same low-quality Microsoft codec, or have they upgraded that as well? And if I wanted to take advantage of a better codec, how could I do that? Would I be able to capture my video in Vegas and then edit in Premiere Pro? Or would that not be any different from capturing and editing solely in Premiere? Sorry for asking so many questions. Thanks for your help!

October 12th, 2003, 06:19 PM	#654
Jeff Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Brooklyn Park, Maryland Posts: 60	Premiere audio filter setting for background? Hi all, I'm new to Premiere and was curious if anyone has any good suggestions for audio filter or EQ settings to lower the background noise on the audio track. I'm currently using a regular cardioid condenser mic on a boom until I can get a shotgun. It works pretty good but outdoors near highways and inside shopping centers/malls picks up a fair bit of rumble (not wind rumble) even when relatively close-mic'd. Any good ideas? Thanks, __________________ Jeff K (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)

October 10th, 2003, 06:20 PM	#646
Ryan Krga Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 116	I fixed the rendering problem, but now I'm having trouble playing back the rendered video. Will Premiere Pro only playback in real time or can you play the rendered video smoothly? My processor isn't the fastest so I'd rather wait for it to render and have smooth playback than playing extremely choppy video with real time.

October 11th, 2003, 06:14 PM	#647
Richard Austin New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 20	Thanks will do

October 12th, 2003, 01:39 PM	#650
Ryan Krga Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 116	When I play the edited video without rendering it is very choppy (Skips frames) because of a slow processor speed, but even after the video is rendered it still plays back the same. Is there anyway I can play it back after rendering so it won't be choppy? In 6.5 after I rendered the video played perfectly.

October 12th, 2003, 04:08 PM	#652
Ryan Krga Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 116	No, no. I fixed the Avid codec problem, now it is using the default Intel Video 5.10 codec that came with Premiere.

October 12th, 2003, 06:49 PM	#655
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	You can try to get rid of rumble by using a low shelf audio filter or a high pass filter. An equalizer will do the same thing. What you want to do is to lower the volume of the lower frequencies (around 100-200 and below). Don't apply the effect too much or voices will sound distorted. Find a middle ground where voices aren't distorted and the rumble isn't annoying. This will be easier in a good audio editing program that will let you preview the audio effect in real-time. If you have Premiere Pro you'd probably want to use adobe audition.

October 13th, 2003, 03:56 AM	#656
Josh King New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Irvine, CA, USA Posts: 11	This doesn't answer your question but... To learn about DV Codecs in general, I point you in the direction of the great Adam Wilt. His site (http://www.adamwilt.com) is chock-full of information on DV, including codecs, codec problems, and other misc. information on it. Here's one thing on his site that's a little closer to what you're asking. It's not an answer, but it does give some specifics on codecs. http://www.adamwilt.com/DV-FAQ-editing.html Finally, I want to congratulate you about learning as much as possible about DV. I began playing with video around 14, and ever since then I've been hooked. Now I'm 17, and I'm still learning lots about it. Don't worry about asking questions, if you don't know, ASK. Somebody here is bound to know what you're talking about! Better you know the right answer than to risk it on something important. Good Luck!

October 13th, 2003, 04:38 AM	#657
Jeff Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Brooklyn Park, Maryland Posts: 60	Actually Premiere does let you preview the changes on any audio effect; it has a 'Preview sound' box you can check in the setup window while you're adjusting frequency so the audio selection will loop itself with changes applies in almost real time. I've tried the hi and lo pass with some success, I suppose I'm actually looking for parametric EQ settings. The graphic EQ helps somewhat, but the frequency bandwidths are rather wide with it being only a 7 band EQ. Thanks, __________________ Jeff K (If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.)

October 13th, 2003, 07:45 AM	#658
Brett Howton Tourist Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 4	Capturing in highest def on Adobe Premiere 6.0 Hi! I have a trial copy of Adobe premiere 6.0 that I wish to use to capture to the hard drive some good footage I have. I need it to be the highest quality (broadcast) possible and have fiddled around a little with it. So far I have managed to capture some video but when I play it back it seems to have lines through it. the frame size seems to be set at 720x? Should this be larger? I want to keep this on file so I can start keeping track of footage rather than having to accesss the tapes each time. Problem being I don't want to record over the tapes until I'm sure that what I've captured is 100% perfect copy. The other thing is, I may not decide to purchase adobe premiere after this trial is up and wonder if anyone has suggestions as to the best software for DV editing, and preferably easy (ier) to use. I'm a complete beginner and some of the options and the layout of premiere6.0 are rather daunting to say the least. I hope this makes sense and any help would be greatly appreciated! __________________ "The creator, if He exists, must have an inordinate fondness for beetles".

October 13th, 2003, 08:45 AM	#659
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	The lines you are seeing Brett could quite possibly be interlacing artifacts. Unlike TVs, computer monitors are progressive displays and often the footage will appear lined. If you could post an image of one of the frames we could better diagnose your problem. If you want something that is easier to get the hang of then take a look at Vegas Video 4. It's a very popular NLE application and great bang for you buck. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

October 13th, 2003, 12:04 PM	#660
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That should play back fine, althought the quality shouldn't be too great. Are you sure your PC and OS are fine? Something really fishy is going on. Again I suggest you check out the Avid or Adobe forums if they have those on their respective sites. PPro is just too new. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors