Adobe Premiere discussions from 2003

Rob Lohman · January 29th, 2003, 03:17 PM

I suggest to create a new movie, put the jpegs there in the
way you want and create an UNCOMPRESSED avi at the output
resolution you need. Now load your other project and import
this AVI file. No quality and speed loss.

This works best ofcourse for small segments and not the larger
ones!

Alex Taylor · January 29th, 2003, 07:04 PM

I'm just curious, why are you making JPEGS into AVIs?

Adam Brennan · February 6th, 2003, 02:00 PM

I just bought the Adobe 6.5 and haven't opened it due to being afraid it is full of bugs like the Pinnacle DV8 was. I had the same rendering problems with DV8 and it would stop on transistions. Not sure why, but I ended up having to split the porject up and render it in sections and then put it all together. too much hassle.

I will wathc this thread.

Mike Rupp · February 6th, 2003, 03:29 PM

Adam,
I wouldn't hold off on using Prem 6.5 if I were you- the problem I've had is with the Canopus driver, which has been updated, but I continued to use an older Canopus driver for Prem 5.1 because some projects were underway and I didn't want to make any software changes mid-stream. With updated drivers, and a few other acceptable set up changes, I'm sure I'll be able to render a whole one hour program without having to split it up into sections. Mike Rupp

Adam Brennan · February 6th, 2003, 03:56 PM

the canapus driver you are taliking about is a capture card or soemthing? Not sure what that is. What is it?

Mike Rupp · February 6th, 2003, 04:20 PM

The canopus driver I'm referring to is the Canopus driver/codec that all of the Canopus cards run on. I've been using one for about three years now, and didn't update the driver when I upgraded to Prem6.5. The "old" setup in Prem 5.1 rendered an hour program without any problems- I just haven't sorted everything out after changing over to Prem 6.5. Prem 6.5 runs much faster and has more features than the older version- using it is much better than 5.1, but there are some changes that need to be made. I haven't gotten into using the MS-DV codec yet,as recommended earlier in this thread. At any rate, I'm confident that it can and will be all sorted out soon when I load new drivers after finishing off a couple projects. Mike

February 7th, 2003, 11:22 AM

RE: AVI File limits.

You might be interested in this

http://www.nct.ch/multimedia/avi_io/

AVI_IO is a work around to the current AVI file limitation problem. Note, it doesn't INCREASE the size of the AVI file limitation BUT DOES eliminate the "problem".

capture and playback up to 400GB of avi video and audio data in one step

Sean

Mike Rupp · February 7th, 2003, 11:29 AM

Thanks Sean, I'll check it out. Mike

Jeremy Nixon · February 7th, 2003, 12:41 PM

I want to capture a still frame from a clip in premiere. So i can then change the duration on that still frame so I get a hold effect. How do I snatch the still frame?

thanks in advance.

Jer

Keith Loh · February 7th, 2003, 01:59 PM

Look in the top left hand corner. Under the ...File Menu there is the Export Timeline selection. Select that and choose Export Frame. You can figure out the rest.

Jeremy Nixon · February 7th, 2003, 03:21 PM

Can anyone tell me how to do this same thing in Vegas video 3?

thanks again,

Jer

Bryan Roberts · February 7th, 2003, 10:20 PM

Hey, I did a search and didn't get too much help. I have a 2.5 minute short that I just finished in Premiere 6.5 which was shot on a DV camcorder that I wanted to export to a file to view on my computer. I would like the highest reasonable quality to view. I converted using the default Microsoft DV (NTSC) compressor and it was a Microsoft DV formatted file type and the quality was piss poor, not to mention the file was only 500 megs. Then I tried going for the default quicktime compression with their Planar RGB compressor which was such good quality that it wouldn't run smooth on my pentium 4 2.4 gigahertz with a gig of rdram! not to mention the file was a rediculous 5 gigs or so big. So what compressor and file type should I use if I want to have good quality that isn't unreasonably big? Also, what is a good compressor for a video CD..... Thanks guys!

Rob Lohman · February 8th, 2003, 05:05 AM

That the other file was 5 GB was due to you saving it uncompressed,
and to be able to play that back you will need at least a harddisk
that can sustain 33 mb/s or more to play back such a file. Not
a good idea, stick with another format/compression.

I don't understand why you would get such bad results from
exporting to Microsoft DV. What settings were you using? If
I export at full resolution and correct frame rate DV will look
fine to me.

So the following questions:

1. what is your input format (DV?), What resolution & fps?
2. if you output to DV what settings are you using?

Video CD needs to be MPEG1 at 320x240 for NTSC at 30 fps with
a max of 1125 (if I remember correctly) kbps. See the site
dvdrhelp
for more information.

Technical details of the VCD format can be found on this page
on that site.

Bryan Roberts · February 8th, 2003, 10:49 AM

Rob, I think I just figured it out but to answer quetions - yes, my input is DV and it was captured with the Microsoft DV (NTSC) compressor at 720X480 with 29.97 fps (30). When I output, I was using 720X480 with the Microsoft DV compressor at 30 fps BUT the default is to use Square pixels with an aspect ratio of 1.0 and I changed this to D1/DV NTSC (.9) and this made it look MUCH better. Thanks for the help!

-Bryan

Scott Silverman · February 9th, 2003, 02:49 AM

If you watch a fade to black closely in a movie, sometimes not all the screen will fade at equal speeds. It will kind of fade across the screen creating a very nice, smooth effect. Is there any software that can do it? I have Premiere 6 and AE 5 and was hoping one of them could do it so I didn't have to buy any new software. Premiere would be the best to do it in because I don't know AE at all. I need to learn it soon. Thanks!

January 29th, 2003, 03:17 PM	#46
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I suggest to create a new movie, put the jpegs there in the way you want and create an UNCOMPRESSED avi at the output resolution you need. Now load your other project and import this AVI file. No quality and speed loss. This works best ofcourse for small segments and not the larger ones! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 29th, 2003, 07:04 PM	#47
Alex Taylor Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 390	I'm just curious, why are you making JPEGS into AVIs? __________________ alextaylor.org

February 7th, 2003, 12:41 PM	#54
Jeremy Nixon New Boot Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Spruce Grove, AB. CANADA. Posts: 13	Capturing a still from a clip in premiere? Ok now how about in Vegas 3.0 ? I want to capture a still frame from a clip in premiere. So i can then change the duration on that still frame so I get a hold effect. How do I snatch the still frame? thanks in advance. Jer

February 7th, 2003, 01:59 PM	#55
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Look in the top left hand corner. Under the ...File Menu there is the Export Timeline selection. Select that and choose Export Frame. You can figure out the rest. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

February 7th, 2003, 03:21 PM	#56
Jeremy Nixon New Boot Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Spruce Grove, AB. CANADA. Posts: 13	vegas Can anyone tell me how to do this same thing in Vegas video 3? thanks again, Jer

February 6th, 2003, 02:00 PM	#48
Adam Brennan Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 58	I just bought the Adobe 6.5 and haven't opened it due to being afraid it is full of bugs like the Pinnacle DV8 was. I had the same rendering problems with DV8 and it would stop on transistions. Not sure why, but I ended up having to split the porject up and render it in sections and then put it all together. too much hassle. I will wathc this thread.

February 6th, 2003, 03:29 PM	#49
Mike Rupp Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: phoenix, az Posts: 25	Adam, I wouldn't hold off on using Prem 6.5 if I were you- the problem I've had is with the Canopus driver, which has been updated, but I continued to use an older Canopus driver for Prem 5.1 because some projects were underway and I didn't want to make any software changes mid-stream. With updated drivers, and a few other acceptable set up changes, I'm sure I'll be able to render a whole one hour program without having to split it up into sections. Mike Rupp

February 6th, 2003, 03:56 PM	#50
Adam Brennan Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 58	the canapus driver you are taliking about is a capture card or soemthing? Not sure what that is. What is it?

February 6th, 2003, 04:20 PM	#51
Mike Rupp Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: phoenix, az Posts: 25	The canopus driver I'm referring to is the Canopus driver/codec that all of the Canopus cards run on. I've been using one for about three years now, and didn't update the driver when I upgraded to Prem6.5. The "old" setup in Prem 5.1 rendered an hour program without any problems- I just haven't sorted everything out after changing over to Prem 6.5. Prem 6.5 runs much faster and has more features than the older version- using it is much better than 5.1, but there are some changes that need to be made. I haven't gotten into using the MS-DV codec yet,as recommended earlier in this thread. At any rate, I'm confident that it can and will be all sorted out soon when I load new drivers after finishing off a couple projects. Mike

February 7th, 2003, 11:22 AM	#52
Sean Deegan Posts: n/a	RE: AVI File limits. You might be interested in this http://www.nct.ch/multimedia/avi_io/ AVI_IO is a work around to the current AVI file limitation problem. Note, it doesn't INCREASE the size of the AVI file limitation BUT DOES eliminate the "problem". capture and playback up to 400GB of avi video and audio data in one step Sean

February 7th, 2003, 11:29 AM	#53
Mike Rupp Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: phoenix, az Posts: 25	Thanks Sean, I'll check it out. Mike

February 7th, 2003, 10:20 PM	#57
Bryan Roberts Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 436	Help with Premiere 6.5 exporting Hey, I did a search and didn't get too much help. I have a 2.5 minute short that I just finished in Premiere 6.5 which was shot on a DV camcorder that I wanted to export to a file to view on my computer. I would like the highest reasonable quality to view. I converted using the default Microsoft DV (NTSC) compressor and it was a Microsoft DV formatted file type and the quality was piss poor, not to mention the file was only 500 megs. Then I tried going for the default quicktime compression with their Planar RGB compressor which was such good quality that it wouldn't run smooth on my pentium 4 2.4 gigahertz with a gig of rdram! not to mention the file was a rediculous 5 gigs or so big. So what compressor and file type should I use if I want to have good quality that isn't unreasonably big? Also, what is a good compressor for a video CD..... Thanks guys!

February 8th, 2003, 05:05 AM	#58
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That the other file was 5 GB was due to you saving it uncompressed, and to be able to play that back you will need at least a harddisk that can sustain 33 mb/s or more to play back such a file. Not a good idea, stick with another format/compression. I don't understand why you would get such bad results from exporting to Microsoft DV. What settings were you using? If I export at full resolution and correct frame rate DV will look fine to me. So the following questions: 1. what is your input format (DV?), What resolution & fps? 2. if you output to DV what settings are you using? Video CD needs to be MPEG1 at 320x240 for NTSC at 30 fps with a max of 1125 (if I remember correctly) kbps. See the site dvdrhelp for more information. Technical details of the VCD format can be found on this page on that site. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 8th, 2003, 10:49 AM	#59
Bryan Roberts Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 436	Rob, I think I just figured it out but to answer quetions - yes, my input is DV and it was captured with the Microsoft DV (NTSC) compressor at 720X480 with 29.97 fps (30). When I output, I was using 720X480 with the Microsoft DV compressor at 30 fps BUT the default is to use Square pixels with an aspect ratio of 1.0 and I changed this to D1/DV NTSC (.9) and this made it look MUCH better. Thanks for the help! -Bryan

February 9th, 2003, 02:49 AM	#60
Scott Silverman Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cupertino, California, USA Posts: 301	Doing an across the screen fade in Premiere 6? If you watch a fade to black closely in a movie, sometimes not all the screen will fade at equal speeds. It will kind of fade across the screen creating a very nice, smooth effect. Is there any software that can do it? I have Premiere 6 and AE 5 and was hoping one of them could do it so I didn't have to buy any new software. Premiere would be the best to do it in because I don't know AE at all. I need to learn it soon. Thanks! __________________ Scott Silverman Shining Star Digital Video Productions Bay Area, CA