Adobe Premiere discussions from 2003

Glen Elliott · September 4th, 2003, 09:54 PM

Scratch the 24p plug-in I have Vegas 4- I want that Movie Looks plug in!

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 11:01 AM

The best quality will be uncompressed or a lossless codec like
HUFFYUV. DV will downgrade your quality. Whether that is
acceptable to you depends mostly on whether you have a fast
enough system to handle low or no compression and have the
disc space.

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 01:34 PM

When I was using Premiere a while ago I noticed the same thing.
As soon as you go out through firewire the preview in Premiere
gets very jerky and slow. If you want to use it, don't go out over
firewire.

In Vegas you can choose to EITHER have it on your computer
screen OR on your firewire out... Not both.

Rob Lohman · September 9th, 2003, 01:42 PM

I'm afraid the program is a bit too new... So not a lot of people
have probably used it a lot. If Adobe has a forum you might
want to check there.

Brian M. Dickman · September 9th, 2003, 02:08 PM

Another option is the BlackMagic Design uncompressed Quicktime Codec. Doesn't require any of their hardware, just renders and reads lossless files through Quicktime.

http://www.decklink.com/support.asp

Robert Poulton · September 9th, 2003, 03:09 PM

Since most of my work deals with images I always render out the movies to an image sequence once I edit the movie then i will apply the effect.

Rob

Glenn Chan · September 9th, 2003, 04:22 PM

What is your output format? If it is DV then there isn't much point in rendering to a lossless codec. Rendering 1st generation DV footage isn't that bad (it's very hard to tell the difference between 1st and 2nd generation footage), but rendering computer-generated images with the DV codec can lead to a quality hit.

Jacob Walker · September 9th, 2003, 06:42 PM

When you make a new project click on Custom Settings, and under the video options theres an option to "Scale clips to project dimensions when adding to sequence"

Nick Medrano · September 9th, 2003, 07:24 PM

Hi,
Yea, here's an image of where to go to make this happen:
http://www.adobevideo.com/images/scale.jpg

Good luck!

Rob Lohman · September 10th, 2003, 04:12 AM

We'd have to see some uncompressed full resolution stills first.
I've never seen any such problems on my Vegas setup. Keep
in mind that a preview monitor is just that, preview. The quality
can only be judged from the final render.

I think the Adobe people are not talking the truth. You seem
to already prove this yourself because you say that the final
render from Premiere is fine, but from AE it ain't.

How can one be good and the other "bad" if the problem is
in the source and therefor both should have it.

Are you 100% certain you are rendering at the highest quality
settings? For example Vegas renders default at GOOD instead
of BEST. I can imagine the AE export has an option to set the
quality level as well.

Lars Siden · September 10th, 2003, 04:17 AM

Hi,

Thanx Nick - I knew it had to be there some where!

// Lazze

Andrew Petrie · September 10th, 2003, 07:30 AM

I can't provide any help, but with my Quicktime 5 encoding at the highest quality still creates artifacts (pixelated) splotches when any generated text media done over a moving background. Kinda ugly!

Ed Smith · September 10th, 2003, 09:55 AM

It might be worth upgrading Premiere?

Ed

Rob Lohman · September 10th, 2003, 10:27 AM

We need to see examples in an uncompressed format at full
resolution as I indicated on another thread.

Brian M. Dickman · September 10th, 2003, 10:41 AM

Quicktime's default codecs are lossy and should not be used for multi-generation exports. The Blackmagic codec uses the quicktime framework, but is itself a lossless codec and will not degrade. Any app that can use quicktime for import/export can use the blackmagic codec, but it's not lossy by default if you just choose Quicktime for your export without specifying the codec.

September 9th, 2003, 11:01 AM	#557
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	The best quality will be uncompressed or a lossless codec like HUFFYUV. DV will downgrade your quality. Whether that is acceptable to you depends mostly on whether you have a fast enough system to handle low or no compression and have the disc space. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2003, 01:34 PM	#558
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	When I was using Premiere a while ago I noticed the same thing. As soon as you go out through firewire the preview in Premiere gets very jerky and slow. If you want to use it, don't go out over firewire. In Vegas you can choose to EITHER have it on your computer screen OR on your firewire out... Not both. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 9th, 2003, 01:42 PM	#559
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I'm afraid the program is a bit too new... So not a lot of people have probably used it a lot. If Adobe has a forum you might want to check there. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 10th, 2003, 04:12 AM	#565
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	We'd have to see some uncompressed full resolution stills first. I've never seen any such problems on my Vegas setup. Keep in mind that a preview monitor is just that, preview. The quality can only be judged from the final render. I think the Adobe people are not talking the truth. You seem to already prove this yourself because you say that the final render from Premiere is fine, but from AE it ain't. How can one be good and the other "bad" if the problem is in the source and therefor both should have it. Are you 100% certain you are rendering at the highest quality settings? For example Vegas renders default at GOOD instead of BEST. I can imagine the AE export has an option to set the quality level as well. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 10th, 2003, 04:17 AM	#566
Lars Siden Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 469	Hi, Thanx Nick - I knew it had to be there some where! // Lazze __________________ Sony HDR-CX130,Canon 5DMKII,i7 930@4.0, 12gb memory, 3x SSD + 2x1Tb(stripe), Geforce 480, Dual 24", Win 7 x64

September 4th, 2003, 09:54 PM	#556
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Scratch the 24p plug-in I have Vegas 4- I want that Movie Looks plug in!

September 9th, 2003, 02:08 PM	#560
Brian M. Dickman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 148	Another option is the BlackMagic Design uncompressed Quicktime Codec. Doesn't require any of their hardware, just renders and reads lossless files through Quicktime. http://www.decklink.com/support.asp

September 9th, 2003, 03:09 PM	#561
Robert Poulton Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 245	Since most of my work deals with images I always render out the movies to an image sequence once I edit the movie then i will apply the effect. Rob

September 9th, 2003, 04:22 PM	#562
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	What is your output format? If it is DV then there isn't much point in rendering to a lossless codec. Rendering 1st generation DV footage isn't that bad (it's very hard to tell the difference between 1st and 2nd generation footage), but rendering computer-generated images with the DV codec can lead to a quality hit.

September 9th, 2003, 06:42 PM	#563
Jacob Walker Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Enumclaw, WA Posts: 69	When you make a new project click on Custom Settings, and under the video options theres an option to "Scale clips to project dimensions when adding to sequence"

September 9th, 2003, 07:24 PM	#564
Nick Medrano Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 331	Hi, Yea, here's an image of where to go to make this happen: http://www.adobevideo.com/images/scale.jpg Good luck!

September 10th, 2003, 07:30 AM	#567
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	I can't provide any help, but with my Quicktime 5 encoding at the highest quality still creates artifacts (pixelated) splotches when any generated text media done over a moving background. Kinda ugly! __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

September 10th, 2003, 09:55 AM	#568
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	It might be worth upgrading Premiere? Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

September 10th, 2003, 10:27 AM	#569
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	We need to see examples in an uncompressed format at full resolution as I indicated on another thread. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 10th, 2003, 10:41 AM	#570
Brian M. Dickman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 148	Quicktime's default codecs are lossy and should not be used for multi-generation exports. The Blackmagic codec uses the quicktime framework, but is itself a lossless codec and will not degrade. Any app that can use quicktime for import/export can use the blackmagic codec, but it's not lossy by default if you just choose Quicktime for your export without specifying the codec.