Adobe Premiere discussions from 2003

Mike Zorger · August 29th, 2003, 06:09 AM

how is the slow motion? in 6.0 and 6.5 the slow motion was horrible.

BJ Thomas · August 29th, 2003, 06:09 AM

Yes, if you have a copy of photoshop 5 or less, go to the plugins folder and copy the file called diffused glow and copy into premieres plugin folder. When you open up premiere it will be in the distort section of the effects folder. It gives clips with light a nice effect.

BJ Thomas · August 29th, 2003, 07:18 AM

Slow motion looks better now because it is using frame blending similar to After Effects. But I think after effect does better slow motion overall so I import the clips I want slowed down in AE. They didn't give Pro a slow motion envelope, you still have to cut the clip if you want to change speed in a clip.

Glen Elliott · August 29th, 2003, 03:08 PM

From the sounds of it Adobe really has cleaned up their act with Premiere. Beings it's an entirely new program not just 6.5 re-written with some changes works to it's advantage. It's really hard to make any hard judgements on it beings I have yet to use it myself but from the sound of it, it doesn't sound like it "surpassed" Vegas. Maybe caught up with. All those things with the exclusion of nested timelines (which sound very sweet) Vegas 4 already does. Plus Vegas supports 24p, HD, and has a glow filter that works (lol). Not to mention Vegas has compositing support- you need AE for that is using Premiere Pro.

Does anyone know if it can be upgraded to from 6.0?

Glenn Chan · August 30th, 2003, 12:56 PM

Is it stable?

Andrew Leigh · August 30th, 2003, 11:25 PM

Hi,

When I mute an Audio Track it immediately removes the rendering and I have to start again. It take 4 hours to render the entire project.

What has changed? Certainly nothing on my side. Is there another setting to change?

Thanks
Andrew

Ed Smith · August 31st, 2003, 07:36 AM

Andrew,

A bit more information needed

I take it you are using Premiere, What version??

How many layers are you rendering?

I've tried it on P6.5 with a project which has 4 video layers and 4 audio. All which needed rendering. When I muted an audio track or all audio tracks I did not need to re-render!!!

What are your settings in keyframe and rendering options?

What is your processor and how much RAM do you mave?

How much space is left on your HD?

I take it this has not happened before?

All the best,

Ed

David Hurdon · August 31st, 2003, 08:28 AM

I've just added Premiere 6.5 to the Adobe folder, nestled up to 6.02. When I first ran it with an imported project the real time preview worked and video in source and monitor windows played properly. When I shut down to connect my VX2000 and set up device control everything played out to the camera/vcr perfectly but the monitor and source windows show a slideshow like preview while the camera/vcr view is perfect. Strangely, Alt-scrubbing plays perfectly all around. I tried a bunch of setting changes including disabling hardware acceleration to no effect. Must I disconnect the camera to get proper performance in preview? Is it something else I'm missing?

David Hurdon

Nick Medrano · August 31st, 2003, 10:51 AM

Yeap. If you register the product at www.adobe.com/register you are entitled to a complimentary download of MAGIC BULLET. This includes the 24p import/export feature which works hand in hand with the Panasonic Dvx100...but Im wondering if anyone knows more about this. Is this how Premiere is going to solve the 24p problem?

Andrew Leigh · August 31st, 2003, 11:31 AM

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the reply.

a) Premiere 6.0 with a DVRaptor Card

b) 4 Video and 4 Audio

c) All boxes in Keyframe and Rendering are unchecked but for Optimise Stills which is checked. It is set to Lower Field First and Preview from Disk.

d) It is a PIII @ 733MHz with 512M of Ram (it does not seem long ago that this was a "Hot Ship").

e) I use two Hardrives for Video (apart from my System Drive which is a 20Gig).

The First drive is a 40 gig 7200 Rpm WD which has all the project settings, preview files etc on it as well as some of the raw footage. The preview files are close to 9gig and this drive still has 3,7gig free.

The second drive is identical and has only raw footage and has 6,1gig free.

After this project I am replacing on of the 40gig's with a 180gig as space is a problem.

This has happened before but I thought it was something stupid I had done i.e. a keystroke. I can now duplicate the problem.

Lastly it is normal for me to be able to mute and unmute without having to re-render.

Cheers
Andrew

Brian Wood · August 31st, 2003, 12:08 PM

I do all my projects on an external hd so I can move between my computer and my friends computer. I finished a video and took the drive and went over to my friends house. When we got there we opened the premiere file and everything was there and perfect. We tried to output it to tape and at random points in the video (like in the middle of clips) the audio will slow down, like slow motion audio. Then after awile (again its random) it will return to normal. This was not the case on my computer. It seems to corolate to a greenish line at the top of the timeline (its right under the line that dictates how much of your project you want to render) Now were both using Windows XP (his is pro mine is home) and we both have Premiere 6.5 and all the project settings should be the same because the project settings are saved. If anyone could help me with this it would be great and HAPPY EARLY LABOR DAY to all you guys :)

Brian

Peter Moore · August 31st, 2003, 12:39 PM

This is a bug in Premier with certain sound drivers, I think. The solution is to re-render the whole thing to an AVI file, and then output to tape from the AVI file. It should be fine then.

Lars Siden · August 31st, 2003, 12:47 PM

Hi,

Tried to make a Slideshow in the brand new Premiere Pro.... but I can't find any option like "scale imported media to fit"...

So when I import pictures ( some vertically and some horizontally ) I have to manually adjust the SCALE parameter picture by picture...is that the only way?

In Vegas 4, all pics are scaled to DVD PAL ( if I have set the program to autoscale )

Have I missed something? The manual is rather terse about importing/scaling ( they only mention that you'll loose quality if you zoom too much... )

// Lazze

Joe Pasarela · August 31st, 2003, 04:57 PM

Actually, it's not Magic Bullet. From the Adobe site (http://www.adobe.com/special/premiere/redgiant_descrip.html):

Movie Looks transforms your video using cinematic tints and glows with simple-to-apply presets. Movie Looks is a direct descendant of the award-winning Magic Bullet Suite from The Orphanage™, featured in the popular Hollywood films such as "Vanilla Sky" to music videos such as Cher’s "A Song For The Lonely."

Applies a cinematic look with a single click

Provides ten presets based on scenes from television programs and popular movies

Optimized for Intel® Pentium® 4 and Pentium 4 Xeon multiprocessor systems

Transforms clips with floating-point precision

Upgradable to a total of 50 Looks presets with the Movie Looks Library

So its just the Look Suite portion of Magic Bullet, not the deinterlacing part. And only a subset of looks at that. Not bad for free, but certainly not Magic Bullet.

JP

Nick Medrano · August 31st, 2003, 05:49 PM

aw damn, i knew it was too good to be true.....

August 30th, 2003, 11:25 PM	#531
Andrew Leigh Major Player Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 220	Losing rendered portions of timeline Hi, When I mute an Audio Track it immediately removes the rendering and I have to start again. It take 4 hours to render the entire project. What has changed? Certainly nothing on my side. Is there another setting to change? Thanks Andrew __________________ PAL XL-1, DV Raptor, Premiere TOTAL AMATEUR - DOING IT FOR THE FUN

August 31st, 2003, 07:36 AM	#532
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Andrew, A bit more information needed I take it you are using Premiere, What version?? How many layers are you rendering? I've tried it on P6.5 with a project which has 4 video layers and 4 audio. All which needed rendering. When I muted an audio track or all audio tracks I did not need to re-render!!! What are your settings in keyframe and rendering options? What is your processor and how much RAM do you mave? How much space is left on your HD? I take it this has not happened before? All the best, Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

August 31st, 2003, 08:28 AM	#533
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 484	Preview Problem in Premiere 6.5 I've just added Premiere 6.5 to the Adobe folder, nestled up to 6.02. When I first ran it with an imported project the real time preview worked and video in source and monitor windows played properly. When I shut down to connect my VX2000 and set up device control everything played out to the camera/vcr perfectly but the monitor and source windows show a slideshow like preview while the camera/vcr view is perfect. Strangely, Alt-scrubbing plays perfectly all around. I tried a bunch of setting changes including disabling hardware acceleration to no effect. Must I disconnect the camera to get proper performance in preview? Is it something else I'm missing? David Hurdon __________________ Site:http://www.faceliftmarketing.ca Blog:http://www.websitevideo.blogspot.com

August 31st, 2003, 10:51 AM	#534
Nick Medrano Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 331	Premiere Pro users get free MAGIC BULLET!! Yeap. If you register the product at www.adobe.com/register you are entitled to a complimentary download of MAGIC BULLET. This includes the 24p import/export feature which works hand in hand with the Panasonic Dvx100...but Im wondering if anyone knows more about this. Is this how Premiere is going to solve the 24p problem?

August 31st, 2003, 11:31 AM	#535
Andrew Leigh Major Player Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 220	Hi Ed, Thanks for the reply. a) Premiere 6.0 with a DVRaptor Card b) 4 Video and 4 Audio c) All boxes in Keyframe and Rendering are unchecked but for Optimise Stills which is checked. It is set to Lower Field First and Preview from Disk. d) It is a PIII @ 733MHz with 512M of Ram (it does not seem long ago that this was a "Hot Ship"). e) I use two Hardrives for Video (apart from my System Drive which is a 20Gig). The First drive is a 40 gig 7200 Rpm WD which has all the project settings, preview files etc on it as well as some of the raw footage. The preview files are close to 9gig and this drive still has 3,7gig free. The second drive is identical and has only raw footage and has 6,1gig free. After this project I am replacing on of the 40gig's with a 180gig as space is a problem. This has happened before but I thought it was something stupid I had done i.e. a keystroke. I can now duplicate the problem. Lastly it is normal for me to be able to mute and unmute without having to re-render. Cheers Andrew __________________ PAL XL-1, DV Raptor, Premiere TOTAL AMATEUR - DOING IT FOR THE FUN

August 29th, 2003, 06:09 AM	#526
Mike Zorger Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norther VA Posts: 163	how is the slow motion? in 6.0 and 6.5 the slow motion was horrible.

August 29th, 2003, 06:09 AM	#527
BJ Thomas Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 39	Yes, if you have a copy of photoshop 5 or less, go to the plugins folder and copy the file called diffused glow and copy into premieres plugin folder. When you open up premiere it will be in the distort section of the effects folder. It gives clips with light a nice effect.

August 29th, 2003, 07:18 AM	#528
BJ Thomas Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 39	Slow motion looks better now because it is using frame blending similar to After Effects. But I think after effect does better slow motion overall so I import the clips I want slowed down in AE. They didn't give Pro a slow motion envelope, you still have to cut the clip if you want to change speed in a clip.

August 29th, 2003, 03:08 PM	#529
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	From the sounds of it Adobe really has cleaned up their act with Premiere. Beings it's an entirely new program not just 6.5 re-written with some changes works to it's advantage. It's really hard to make any hard judgements on it beings I have yet to use it myself but from the sound of it, it doesn't sound like it "surpassed" Vegas. Maybe caught up with. All those things with the exclusion of nested timelines (which sound very sweet) Vegas 4 already does. Plus Vegas supports 24p, HD, and has a glow filter that works (lol). Not to mention Vegas has compositing support- you need AE for that is using Premiere Pro. Does anyone know if it can be upgraded to from 6.0?

August 30th, 2003, 12:56 PM	#530
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Is it stable?

August 31st, 2003, 12:08 PM	#536
Brian Wood Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: East Lansing, Michigan Posts: 77	Wierd Audio Problems In Premiere 6.5 I do all my projects on an external hd so I can move between my computer and my friends computer. I finished a video and took the drive and went over to my friends house. When we got there we opened the premiere file and everything was there and perfect. We tried to output it to tape and at random points in the video (like in the middle of clips) the audio will slow down, like slow motion audio. Then after awile (again its random) it will return to normal. This was not the case on my computer. It seems to corolate to a greenish line at the top of the timeline (its right under the line that dictates how much of your project you want to render) Now were both using Windows XP (his is pro mine is home) and we both have Premiere 6.5 and all the project settings should be the same because the project settings are saved. If anyone could help me with this it would be great and HAPPY EARLY LABOR DAY to all you guys :) Brian

August 31st, 2003, 12:39 PM	#537
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	This is a bug in Premier with certain sound drivers, I think. The solution is to re-render the whole thing to an AVI file, and then output to tape from the AVI file. It should be fine then.

August 31st, 2003, 12:47 PM	#538
Lars Siden Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 469	Autoscale Stills in Premiere Pro? Hi, Tried to make a Slideshow in the brand new Premiere Pro.... but I can't find any option like "scale imported media to fit"... So when I import pictures ( some vertically and some horizontally ) I have to manually adjust the SCALE parameter picture by picture...is that the only way? In Vegas 4, all pics are scaled to DVD PAL ( if I have set the program to autoscale ) Have I missed something? The manual is rather terse about importing/scaling ( they only mention that you'll loose quality if you zoom too much... ) // Lazze __________________ Sony HDR-CX130,Canon 5DMKII,i7 930@4.0, 12gb memory, 3x SSD + 2x1Tb(stripe), Geforce 480, Dual 24", Win 7 x64

August 31st, 2003, 04:57 PM	#539
Joe Pasarela New Boot Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 16	Actually, it's not Magic Bullet. From the Adobe site (http://www.adobe.com/special/premiere/redgiant_descrip.html): Movie Looks transforms your video using cinematic tints and glows with simple-to-apply presets. Movie Looks is a direct descendant of the award-winning Magic Bullet Suite from The Orphanage™, featured in the popular Hollywood films such as "Vanilla Sky" to music videos such as Cher’s "A Song For The Lonely." Applies a cinematic look with a single click Provides ten presets based on scenes from television programs and popular movies Optimized for Intel® Pentium® 4 and Pentium 4 Xeon multiprocessor systems Transforms clips with floating-point precision Upgradable to a total of 50 Looks presets with the Movie Looks Library So its just the Look Suite portion of Magic Bullet, not the deinterlacing part. And only a subset of looks at that. Not bad for free, but certainly not Magic Bullet. JP

August 31st, 2003, 05:49 PM	#540
Nick Medrano Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 331	aw damn, i knew it was too good to be true.....