Adobe Premiere discussions from 2003

Glen Elliott · August 11th, 2003, 01:09 PM

I used to edit with Premiere w/ hardware support and have sinced switched to Vegas 4. Vegas is faster- even though I don't have hardware support for real-time transitions. The workflow is so much smoother and more logical. There's no rendering when you simply drop a clip in a timeline that doesn't conform to the NTSC DV AVI standard- Vegas views all files as just data. Plus the realtime previews work great- so long as you have a pretty fast processor.

Premiere Pro is supposed to be completly re-written and from what I've heard is very stable. A much needed attribute after the highly unstable Premiere offerings in the past. Then again stability isn't the question- it's speed. Premiere Pro is supposed to have real-time previews as well- time will tell how well they work. Adobe really has to pull all the stops with this one- the Premiere NLE has been dragging behind recently.

Alex Knappenberger · August 11th, 2003, 01:29 PM

Try Vegas 4.0, it's awesome, I wouldn't trade it for anything. You can do previews without any rendering, but of course the framerate depends on your computer, and how many "effects" you have on the video and all that...

Nick Medrano · August 11th, 2003, 07:24 PM

AE6 was, indeed, released this month. Looks great and FEELS great.

Premiere Pro should be available later this month, but I can't even purchase one because it's already out of stock!

Also heard that PPro is supporting 24p/a internally without the need for plugins. Great!

http://www.adobevideo.com/forum

Jason Tammemagi · August 12th, 2003, 04:22 AM

My AE6 just arrived this morning. Standard, not pro however. First thing I did was flick to the back of the manual where it shows loads of cool effects labelled 'pro only'. Not to worry. I'm really looking forward to playing with this. AE is one of my favourite programs. I'm an awful George Lucas in that respect (get the shooting overwith and only then does the real fun begin).

Jay.

Yi Fong Yu · August 12th, 2003, 10:33 AM

do you folks see premiere+ae as one product in the future?

Yi Fong Yu · August 12th, 2003, 11:26 AM

rob+ed

-Tyan Tiger MPX w/dual AMD MP1800+
-1GB RAM
-40gb 10krpm WD raptor SATA HD
-21" monitor
-aiw 8500DV
-sony hi8 =)
-wxp sp1 (fresh install)
-prem 6.5
-ae 5.5pro

by slow i mean when i capture it is totally unusable. gotta use ati multimedia center 8.5 to capture mpg2 or avi. then when i import into prem it slows to a crawl. i just can't see how people work like that with so many clips each taking up quite a long time. it just feels so hanidcapped. i mean it's not even usable that type a thing. i can't see how you folx deal w/it.

like i said when playing with final cut it's just nearly silky smooth. *sigh*

Clarence Walker · August 12th, 2003, 11:41 AM

I don't know anything about this product, but am curious as to what it brings to the table for an editor.

Say for wedding videos, what would be some of the specific features that AE provides that can boost the quality of my product?

Thanks,

Clarence

Alex Knappenberger · August 12th, 2003, 12:52 PM

Huh dude? Something is seriously screwed up somewhere then. You system should have no problem doing anything in premiere, thats for sure.

My computer is only:

AMD Athlon 1GHZ
Some crappy no brand name motherboard
512MB PC133 SDRAM
40GB ATA100 5400rpm HDD
13.6GB ATA66 5400rpm HDD
ATI AIW 128 PRO 32MB
...etc etc, the usual

...and it has no trouble with working in premiere, atleast when I used premiere. It surely wasn't like your describing.

Either way something is screwed up. Do you have DMA mode enabled on your hard drive? If it's not enabled and is in PIO mode, or whatever, that can easally cause your computer to be extra super slow.

Look under control panel > system > hardware > device manager > IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers > Primary IDE Channel, and right click that and hit Properties > Advanced settings, and make sure they are set to "DMA if avalible".

Nathan Gifford · August 12th, 2003, 08:49 PM

The only thing I could see is some kind of problem with your disk drive, TSR programs (like anti-virus or viruses), or drivers (like firewire).

Even though you have a 40 gb drive, if it has not been defragged or is running loaded you might still have problems. Defragging in the middle of production is generally not recommended.

Drivers can cause other problems. You should check and make sure you have the latest ones.

TSR (Terminate and Stay Resident) programs can do all sorts of weird things. With Worm.Blaster out there is really good at hosing a system. If you do not have a anti-viral program it is probably worth while to scan your system.

Just an FYI when MS introduced W2K, the s/w normally starts the disk drive up in DMA mode.

Barb Morra · August 13th, 2003, 07:12 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ed Smith : And,

www.matrox.com/video

Go for the RTX 100 or above.

I've had no problems with my XL1 under Premiere 6 and 6.5

cheers,

Ed -->>>

Dear Ed,
What video card are you suing with your system? Are you satisfied with it?
I recently purchased an XL1, and am using Premiere 6.5 and Matrox RTX. I'm getting weird picture artifact on capture and playback, and think it may be a video card
problem. The card I'm presently using is actually unsupported by Matrox.

I welcome any input you may have.

Barb

Ed Smith · August 13th, 2003, 07:33 AM

Barb,

I currently use a Pinnacle DV500 capture card, although I will be soon buying the RTX 100, and Premiere Pro. The funny thing is that for my job I support editors who use Matrox hardware, but have not come across your problem.

Does the artifacts appear in the premiere preview window and/ or on a TV?

What happens if you create an AVI file and play though windows media player?

You should really have at least a G550 Matrox Graphics card, I believe that it uses a chip from it to run the hardware effectively.

Thanks,

Ed

Ed Smith · August 13th, 2003, 07:36 AM

What happens if you capture via the premiere capture window? Is still really slow.

I do not have this problem with mine.

Ed

Trent O Connor · August 13th, 2003, 07:37 AM

Hi people, ive put this on the mac side too as thats what im using but there dont seem to b many mac/premiere users.

Ive managed to export to tape when using imovie.
i now have a completed timeline on Premiere. ive hooked up the dv canon camera and chosen 'export to tape'. i used to have a problem selecting this as it wasnt highlighted but sorted that out via 'device control'. but now, when i export, i get the audio but no visual. just black. can anyone help or hazard a guess why?

Barb Morra · August 13th, 2003, 07:59 AM

Dear ED,
The artifact occurs in the capture window
and in any premiere playback window, but not on a tv monitor.

I'm currently using an older vid card, a matrox millennium 3d flex I believe.

Haven't tried to export an avi ( or encode to a wmv) and play it through wmp yet. I'll try that now.

Thanks!
Barb

Ed Smith · August 13th, 2003, 02:41 PM

Do you get a picture in your camera when previewing from the timeline?

Is everything rendered?

Have you chosen the correct device control?

Answer these first then we can carry on.

All the best,

Ed

August 12th, 2003, 10:33 AM	#485
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	do you folks see premiere+ae as one product in the future? __________________ bow wow wow

August 12th, 2003, 11:26 AM	#486
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	rob+ed -Tyan Tiger MPX w/dual AMD MP1800+ -1GB RAM -40gb 10krpm WD raptor SATA HD -21" monitor -aiw 8500DV -sony hi8 =) -wxp sp1 (fresh install) -prem 6.5 -ae 5.5pro by slow i mean when i capture it is totally unusable. gotta use ati multimedia center 8.5 to capture mpg2 or avi. then when i import into prem it slows to a crawl. i just can't see how people work like that with so many clips each taking up quite a long time. it just feels so hanidcapped. i mean it's not even usable that type a thing. i can't see how you folx deal w/it. like i said when playing with final cut it's just nearly silky smooth. sigh __________________ bow wow wow

August 12th, 2003, 11:41 AM	#487
Clarence Walker Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 31	After Effects I don't know anything about this product, but am curious as to what it brings to the table for an editor. Say for wedding videos, what would be some of the specific features that AE provides that can boost the quality of my product? Thanks, Clarence

August 12th, 2003, 08:49 PM	#489
Nathan Gifford Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tickfaw, LA Posts: 1,217	The only thing I could see is some kind of problem with your disk drive, TSR programs (like anti-virus or viruses), or drivers (like firewire). Even though you have a 40 gb drive, if it has not been defragged or is running loaded you might still have problems. Defragging in the middle of production is generally not recommended. Drivers can cause other problems. You should check and make sure you have the latest ones. TSR (Terminate and Stay Resident) programs can do all sorts of weird things. With Worm.Blaster out there is really good at hosing a system. If you do not have a anti-viral program it is probably worth while to scan your system. Just an FYI when MS introduced W2K, the s/w normally starts the disk drive up in DMA mode. __________________ Nathan Gifford Southern Cyclist Magazine & Productions For quick answers try our Search! To see me and Rob Lohman click here

August 13th, 2003, 07:33 AM	#491
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Barb, I currently use a Pinnacle DV500 capture card, although I will be soon buying the RTX 100, and Premiere Pro. The funny thing is that for my job I support editors who use Matrox hardware, but have not come across your problem. Does the artifacts appear in the premiere preview window and/ or on a TV? What happens if you create an AVI file and play though windows media player? You should really have at least a G550 Matrox Graphics card, I believe that it uses a chip from it to run the hardware effectively. Thanks, Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

August 11th, 2003, 01:09 PM	#481
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	I used to edit with Premiere w/ hardware support and have sinced switched to Vegas 4. Vegas is faster- even though I don't have hardware support for real-time transitions. The workflow is so much smoother and more logical. There's no rendering when you simply drop a clip in a timeline that doesn't conform to the NTSC DV AVI standard- Vegas views all files as just data. Plus the realtime previews work great- so long as you have a pretty fast processor. Premiere Pro is supposed to be completly re-written and from what I've heard is very stable. A much needed attribute after the highly unstable Premiere offerings in the past. Then again stability isn't the question- it's speed. Premiere Pro is supposed to have real-time previews as well- time will tell how well they work. Adobe really has to pull all the stops with this one- the Premiere NLE has been dragging behind recently.

August 11th, 2003, 01:29 PM	#482
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Try Vegas 4.0, it's awesome, I wouldn't trade it for anything. You can do previews without any rendering, but of course the framerate depends on your computer, and how many "effects" you have on the video and all that...

August 11th, 2003, 07:24 PM	#483
Nick Medrano Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 331	AE6 was, indeed, released this month. Looks great and FEELS great. Premiere Pro should be available later this month, but I can't even purchase one because it's already out of stock! Also heard that PPro is supporting 24p/a internally without the need for plugins. Great! http://www.adobevideo.com/forum

August 12th, 2003, 04:22 AM	#484
Jason Tammemagi Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 43	My AE6 just arrived this morning. Standard, not pro however. First thing I did was flick to the back of the manual where it shows loads of cool effects labelled 'pro only'. Not to worry. I'm really looking forward to playing with this. AE is one of my favourite programs. I'm an awful George Lucas in that respect (get the shooting overwith and only then does the real fun begin). Jay.

August 12th, 2003, 12:52 PM	#488
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Huh dude? Something is seriously screwed up somewhere then. You system should have no problem doing anything in premiere, thats for sure. My computer is only: AMD Athlon 1GHZ Some crappy no brand name motherboard 512MB PC133 SDRAM 40GB ATA100 5400rpm HDD 13.6GB ATA66 5400rpm HDD ATI AIW 128 PRO 32MB ...etc etc, the usual ...and it has no trouble with working in premiere, atleast when I used premiere. It surely wasn't like your describing. Either way something is screwed up. Do you have DMA mode enabled on your hard drive? If it's not enabled and is in PIO mode, or whatever, that can easally cause your computer to be extra super slow. Look under control panel > system > hardware > device manager > IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers > Primary IDE Channel, and right click that and hit Properties > Advanced settings, and make sure they are set to "DMA if avalible".

August 13th, 2003, 07:12 AM	#490
Barb Morra New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 13	<<<-- Originally posted by Ed Smith : And, www.matrox.com/video Go for the RTX 100 or above. I've had no problems with my XL1 under Premiere 6 and 6.5 cheers, Ed -->>> Dear Ed, What video card are you suing with your system? Are you satisfied with it? I recently purchased an XL1, and am using Premiere 6.5 and Matrox RTX. I'm getting weird picture artifact on capture and playback, and think it may be a video card problem. The card I'm presently using is actually unsupported by Matrox. I welcome any input you may have. Barb

August 13th, 2003, 07:36 AM	#492
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	What happens if you capture via the premiere capture window? Is still really slow. I do not have this problem with mine. Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

August 13th, 2003, 07:37 AM	#493
Trent O Connor Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hertfordshire, UK Posts: 94	exporting to tape in premiere Hi people, ive put this on the mac side too as thats what im using but there dont seem to b many mac/premiere users. Ive managed to export to tape when using imovie. i now have a completed timeline on Premiere. ive hooked up the dv canon camera and chosen 'export to tape'. i used to have a problem selecting this as it wasnt highlighted but sorted that out via 'device control'. but now, when i export, i get the audio but no visual. just black. can anyone help or hazard a guess why?

August 13th, 2003, 07:59 AM	#494
Barb Morra New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 13	Dear ED, The artifact occurs in the capture window and in any premiere playback window, but not on a tv monitor. I'm currently using an older vid card, a matrox millennium 3d flex I believe. Haven't tried to export an avi ( or encode to a wmv) and play it through wmp yet. I'll try that now. Thanks! Barb

August 13th, 2003, 02:41 PM	#495
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Do you get a picture in your camera when previewing from the timeline? Is everything rendered? Have you chosen the correct device control? Answer these first then we can carry on. All the best, Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors