Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Hugh DiMauro · August 24th, 2005, 08:30 AM

How does PPro 1.5 read the XL1s frame mode? Do I set parameters as progressive or interlaced?

James Emory · August 24th, 2005, 08:23 PM

I have been able to seperate two channels (16 bit) with Premiere but can any version of it seperate the possible 4 channels (12 bit) of the XL series, specifically the XL-1?

Relative Post:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....62&postcount=8

Bill Binder · August 24th, 2005, 08:42 PM

I believe this app can do it during capture: Scenalyzer

James Emory · August 24th, 2005, 08:48 PM

Thanks Bill. I guess a better way for me to ask the question is how would it be graphically represented? In the Premeire audio tools, you can take left or take right to isolate channel 1 or 2. Even if my NLE was able to do it, my real concern is other clients that I just shoot for and they have their post facility cut the project. I certainly don't want to send them audio at a lower bit rate AND have it unavailable because their software can't seperate it. The need to do this just came up so I haven't had time to try it but I will in the next couple of days and report my results.

Jesse Parsh · August 24th, 2005, 08:54 PM

I have the pro version? Will I still have to track a new layer? I am still in the learning process, it is an overwhelming program with enough stuff to blow my mind.

Mike Toledano · August 24th, 2005, 10:33 PM

I'm shooting a movie pretty soon, but I've got a few questions about working around my NTSC and PAL dilema.

I live in Toronto, so I want to have the final copy of my movie in NTSC.

However, There is a great chance that I'm shooting it partly with an NTSC GL2 (or NTSC panasonic PVGS70) and partly with a borrowed XM2.

What's the best way to deal with shooting in two region codes? I've heard that results in converting from PAL to NTSC can be bad, and vica versa. Then again, Adobe Premiere Pro (which I'll be editing in) is not capable of having a project that supports both video formats.

What should I do?

Trond Saetre · August 25th, 2005, 01:00 AM

You can use this software for converting between PAL and NTSC:

http://www.dvfilm.com/atlantis/index.htm

Premiere Pro can convert from PAL to NTSC (and probably also from NTSC to PAL). Import the PAL video into a NTSC project.
But be aware that the picture quality will be much reduced.
I would only do that for home/family video.

Chris Colin Swanson · August 25th, 2005, 03:19 AM

Techniqually Premiere does support both by using the interpret footage option but I wouldn't recommend it. It slows down NTSC or presumably speeds up the PAL. I am an American in the UK and used this conversion to make great "old time boxing footage". The artifacting I got gave a great undercranked style to it. I think this was due to the very fast motion, the slower motion is much better, shrinking to PAL loses frames and during a fast punch or kick you only have a few frames so it mattered alot.
This doesn't answer your question but it may have some relevance towards the topic.
Get some footage from both PAL and NTSC and play around with it before you shoot. Find out if you are happy with the results. You may find that you are satisfied with the results in some situations and not in others. Then you can choose if and when to use both and which one in which scene.

Boyd Ostroff · August 25th, 2005, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Toledano

What's the best way to deal with shooting in two region codes?

Just understand that "region codes" aren't really related to this. They are a copy protection scheme used on commercial DVD's to prevent them from being watched in countries they weren't released in.

Mike Toledano · August 25th, 2005, 09:04 AM

Ok. So in theory, if I shot the entire movie in PAL, and burnt it to DVD, would it still play on most DVD players in North America?

Trond Saetre · August 25th, 2005, 09:12 AM

If you burn a PAL movie on a DVD, it can only be used with players that support PAL. Most players in North America will only play NTSC, but multi system players can handle both.

Region code is not the same as PAL or NTSC. If you burn the DVD yourself, it will not be region coded.

Mike Toledano · August 25th, 2005, 09:17 AM

I should probably mention that my film is mostly an action flick, and has a heavy reliance on fast motion. I'd probably run into the problems that Chris had.

Pete Bauer · August 25th, 2005, 10:01 AM

I have QT7 for Windows "Public Preview" on a laptop that I don't use for editing...would like to install it on my editing box, but ONLY if it won't screw up the Adobe apps. Current version for Windows is "Public Preview 3".

Some initial reports indicated that QT7 does not play nicely with AE6.5.1. As QT7 clips now seem to be showing up more and more, wondering if there are any updated reports about compatibility (or NOT) with Adobe Video Collection applications?

Jerry Porter · August 25th, 2005, 12:25 PM

I'm just finisihing my first HD project and will be sending the m2 to encore, but when I go to encode the project it will only give me 720X480. Is this the best I can get? This will be playing on a 60in plasma. Am I just missing something simple and what would be the best setting for this situation? It's only 13 min so disk size is not and issue. Thanks for your help.

Steven Gotz · August 25th, 2005, 12:59 PM

I have some good news for you and some bad news for you.

Bad news first: There is no HD DVD format. Regardless of the television, the standard definition DVD player can only play 720X480 - that's it. Now, you can get wide screen by using a 1.2 PAR instead of a 0.9 PAR - but that's it.

I repeat - there are no High Definition Video DVD players on the market available just yet.

Good news: There is a special DVD player that plays data DVDs as well as video DVDs. So you can encode back to M2T and it will be copied to a data DVD where it will look fabulous on your 60" HDTV - for the duration of about 20 minutes. Or, you can use WM9 if you wish, to get a longer clip to play - up to one hour or more.

http://shop.iodata.com/shopping/prod...=AVLP2%2FDVDLA

August 24th, 2005, 08:30 AM	#1411
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	How Does Premiere Pro Read XL1s Frame Mode How does PPro 1.5 read the XL1s frame mode? Do I set parameters as progressive or interlaced? __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

August 24th, 2005, 08:23 PM	#1412
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Can Premiere seperate 4 audio channels from XL-1 recording I have been able to seperate two channels (16 bit) with Premiere but can any version of it seperate the possible 4 channels (12 bit) of the XL series, specifically the XL-1? Relative Post: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....62&postcount=8

August 24th, 2005, 10:33 PM	#1416
Mike Toledano Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 85	PAL to NTSC Dilema I'm shooting a movie pretty soon, but I've got a few questions about working around my NTSC and PAL dilema. I live in Toronto, so I want to have the final copy of my movie in NTSC. However, There is a great chance that I'm shooting it partly with an NTSC GL2 (or NTSC panasonic PVGS70) and partly with a borrowed XM2. What's the best way to deal with shooting in two region codes? I've heard that results in converting from PAL to NTSC can be bad, and vica versa. Then again, Adobe Premiere Pro (which I'll be editing in) is not capable of having a project that supports both video formats. What should I do?

August 25th, 2005, 10:01 AM	#1423
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	QT7 and Adobe Video Collection I have QT7 for Windows "Public Preview" on a laptop that I don't use for editing...would like to install it on my editing box, but ONLY if it won't screw up the Adobe apps. Current version for Windows is "Public Preview 3". Some initial reports indicated that QT7 does not play nicely with AE6.5.1. As QT7 clips now seem to be showing up more and more, wondering if there are any updated reports about compatibility (or NOT) with Adobe Video Collection applications? __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

August 25th, 2005, 12:25 PM	#1424
Jerry Porter Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Satellite Beach, Fl Posts: 784	Frame size in Adobe's media encoder I'm just finisihing my first HD project and will be sending the m2 to encore, but when I go to encode the project it will only give me 720X480. Is this the best I can get? This will be playing on a 60in plasma. Am I just missing something simple and what would be the best setting for this situation? It's only 13 min so disk size is not and issue. Thanks for your help.

August 24th, 2005, 08:42 PM	#1413
Bill Binder Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 542	I believe this app can do it during capture: Scenalyzer

August 24th, 2005, 08:48 PM	#1414
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Thanks Bill. I guess a better way for me to ask the question is how would it be graphically represented? In the Premeire audio tools, you can take left or take right to isolate channel 1 or 2. Even if my NLE was able to do it, my real concern is other clients that I just shoot for and they have their post facility cut the project. I certainly don't want to send them audio at a lower bit rate AND have it unavailable because their software can't seperate it. The need to do this just came up so I haven't had time to try it but I will in the next couple of days and report my results.

August 24th, 2005, 08:54 PM	#1415
Jesse Parsh Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lakewood Ohio Posts: 51	I have the pro version? Will I still have to track a new layer? I am still in the learning process, it is an overwhelming program with enough stuff to blow my mind.

August 25th, 2005, 01:00 AM	#1417
Trond Saetre Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 3,375	You can use this software for converting between PAL and NTSC: http://www.dvfilm.com/atlantis/index.htm Premiere Pro can convert from PAL to NTSC (and probably also from NTSC to PAL). Import the PAL video into a NTSC project. But be aware that the picture quality will be much reduced. I would only do that for home/family video.

August 25th, 2005, 03:19 AM	#1418
Chris Colin Swanson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 76	Techniqually Premiere does support both by using the interpret footage option but I wouldn't recommend it. It slows down NTSC or presumably speeds up the PAL. I am an American in the UK and used this conversion to make great "old time boxing footage". The artifacting I got gave a great undercranked style to it. I think this was due to the very fast motion, the slower motion is much better, shrinking to PAL loses frames and during a fast punch or kick you only have a few frames so it mattered alot. This doesn't answer your question but it may have some relevance towards the topic. Get some footage from both PAL and NTSC and play around with it before you shoot. Find out if you are happy with the results. You may find that you are satisfied with the results in some situations and not in others. Then you can choose if and when to use both and which one in which scene.

August 25th, 2005, 09:04 AM	#1420
Mike Toledano Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 85	Ok. So in theory, if I shot the entire movie in PAL, and burnt it to DVD, would it still play on most DVD players in North America?

August 25th, 2005, 09:12 AM	#1421
Trond Saetre Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 3,375	If you burn a PAL movie on a DVD, it can only be used with players that support PAL. Most players in North America will only play NTSC, but multi system players can handle both. Region code is not the same as PAL or NTSC. If you burn the DVD yourself, it will not be region coded.

August 25th, 2005, 09:17 AM	#1422
Mike Toledano Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 85	I should probably mention that my film is mostly an action flick, and has a heavy reliance on fast motion. I'd probably run into the problems that Chris had.

August 25th, 2005, 12:59 PM	#1425
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	I have some good news for you and some bad news for you. Bad news first: There is no HD DVD format. Regardless of the television, the standard definition DVD player can only play 720X480 - that's it. Now, you can get wide screen by using a 1.2 PAR instead of a 0.9 PAR - but that's it. I repeat - there are no High Definition Video DVD players on the market available just yet. Good news: There is a special DVD player that plays data DVDs as well as video DVDs. So you can encode back to M2T and it will be copied to a data DVD where it will look fabulous on your 60" HDTV - for the duration of about 20 minutes. Or, you can use WM9 if you wish, to get a longer clip to play - up to one hour or more. http://shop.iodata.com/shopping/prod...=AVLP2%2FDVDLA __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com