Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Al Osmond · January 10th, 2005, 05:30 AM

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No, you should do the correcting of brightness/contrast/colour balance IN Premiere, not BEFORE. Do the cropping BEFORE indeed.

OK. Is there a reason for that which I need to know about?

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Yes, you could crop to your final output size. However, if you would like a DVD or something then I would go with 640 x 480 resolution.

OK. This is purely an online trailer. The DVD will be coming later and we'll be producing it using FCP. The small task I'm doing is a DIY (doe het zelf) exercise.

Al

Rob Lohman · January 10th, 2005, 05:44 AM

Speaking Dutch are we? <g>

Reason for which of the two?

The reason to do the cropping BEFORE Premiere is two-fold:

- it significantly reduces the size (in both resolution and filesize) of the frames which will greatly increase processing speed in both editing, correction/effects work and final rendering

- you don't need the resolution to begin with (unless you want to pan across an image which you indicated you didn't want to do)

It all makes it much faster and responsive.

The reason to do the correction in Premiere is that it is designed
to work as a video system instead of a still system like Photoshop.
You already indicated you had problems with Photoshop and
Premiere can easily do the task as well. It has brightness, contrast
and all sort of other filters to process the footage. The advantage
is that it does this natively on your complete file (even if it is
composed of stills), Photoshop might support this as well, but as
you indicated you had problems with that. Why not simply use
a native system that was designed for the task?

Al Osmond · January 10th, 2005, 05:51 AM

OK on the cropping before importing the files.

As for the image brightening etc, I confess I was still thinking along the lines of batch processing it using IrfanView or something similar, but IrfanView is possibly a bit too heavy-handed for that purpose.

I'll play with this later, when I've caught up with the morning's work.

Tot ziens!

Al

Vance Osborne · January 10th, 2005, 06:08 AM

Ugh...I suspected as much :( Thank you Brandon for verifying..
I really found 6.5 much zippier than 1.5. Sluggish beast :)
I guess I'll up my ram and cpu (3gig cpu and 1gig ram) and we'll see how that goes...

Thanks again for the reply :)

David Yuen · January 10th, 2005, 09:43 AM

Have you tried adjusting the playback quality to either Automatic or Draft? There's much more pixelation but you'll have a better idea of how your transitions and effects work because playback is smoother. You can switch back to Highest quality when you are doing static work such as adjusting filters.

Al Osmond · January 10th, 2005, 01:54 PM

Following up my earlier post.

Curses! IrfanView doesn't do cropping, so can't use it to batch process.

Got to think again.

Maybe if I don't try to use the .AVI file but import a few .TIFFs I can crop those top and bottom in Premiere before brightening up the image.

Al

Vance Osborne · January 10th, 2005, 06:34 PM

Yep, I definitely tried that...it helped a bit..but as soon as there were effects and transistions...ouch. Even on just draft with the monitor window tiny tiny.
So strange why they would allow 1.5 to be more sluggish than 6.5...

Adam Buckley · January 10th, 2005, 06:45 PM

thanks a lot...i didn't realize having the camera connected would cause such a problem. thanks again.

Ted Slaughter · January 10th, 2005, 08:07 PM

Thank you very much for replying so quickly. I will try these out and see if i can narrow it down. When i reinstal Premiere will all the previous videos I have made within it be deleted or what will happen to them. Thanks alot.

Pete Bauer · January 10th, 2005, 08:34 PM

Vance,

What sort of setup do you have? Processor, RAM? Do you have a second physical hard drive set up as your scratch disk, or is everything operating off of one HDD?

No question that PPro is demanding. But performance depends both on the your hardware and how your system is set up. If you have an "older" system with a 1GHz processor with 512MB of RAM, your performance isn't going to be the best and that's all there is to it. But even a "fast" system can do poorly if not optimized. For instance, the difference between using a single, mostly filled, highly fragmented "C Drive" and using a second defragged, nearly empty drive as a scratch disk can be night and day.

Also, 24p 2:3:3:2 processing is highly demanding of the CPU.

Pete Bauer · January 10th, 2005, 09:11 PM

I found this page referencing a PPro 1.5 update to 1.5.1 on the Adobe PPro downloads page, but as of this writing there is no link to the actual update file:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloa...jsp?ftpID=2654

One would like to assume from this that an update is actually imminent. It is a new page...I check for updates for the Adobe Video Collection applications pretty regularly.

All they advertise is HDV support; no mention of bug fixes...of course, some of us will be checking out 24p behavior and other known issues as soon as this update is available.

NOTICE though, they've upped the min system requirement to a P4-3GHz and 1GB RAM...I don't know at all yet whether that represents a real change to the code or just an attempt to reduce complaints about performance, or is aimed specifically at the demands of HDV support.

Just wanted to get the word out quickly so DVinfo users can be the first on the block with the update...whenever it actually is posted!

Graham Hickling · January 10th, 2005, 10:52 PM

Well THAT'S a real tease .... (Adobe, that is, not you Pete)!

Would have to conclude that the release is indeed imminent for them to have that webpage up.

David Yuen · January 11th, 2005, 12:18 PM

Looks like an Adobe goof. It was an HDV update and was up last night for a few hours but disappeared by midnight or so.

Ed Smith · January 11th, 2005, 12:29 PM

Thats OK,

Sometimes the easiest is not always the obvious...

Cheers,

Vance Osborne · January 11th, 2005, 02:16 PM

Well, I am currently using a P3g with 1 gig of Ram...fairly fast machine..
I have 3 physical harddrives...but perhaps I should see how I can optimize my hardrives a bit better, like you are mentioning..

Anyone have any suggestions on the best optimal setup? Like, where Pro should be installed and where the scratch disk should be, the actual source videos etc?

Thanks!

January 10th, 2005, 05:44 AM	#107
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Speaking Dutch are we? <g> Reason for which of the two? The reason to do the cropping BEFORE Premiere is two-fold: - it significantly reduces the size (in both resolution and filesize) of the frames which will greatly increase processing speed in both editing, correction/effects work and final rendering - you don't need the resolution to begin with (unless you want to pan across an image which you indicated you didn't want to do) It all makes it much faster and responsive. The reason to do the correction in Premiere is that it is designed to work as a video system instead of a still system like Photoshop. You already indicated you had problems with Photoshop and Premiere can easily do the task as well. It has brightness, contrast and all sort of other filters to process the footage. The advantage is that it does this natively on your complete file (even if it is composed of stills), Photoshop might support this as well, but as you indicated you had problems with that. Why not simply use a native system that was designed for the task? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 10th, 2005, 09:43 AM	#110
David Yuen Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 185	Draft quality? Have you tried adjusting the playback quality to either Automatic or Draft? There's much more pixelation but you'll have a better idea of how your transitions and effects work because playback is smoother. You can switch back to Highest quality when you are doing static work such as adjusting filters.

January 10th, 2005, 08:07 PM	#114
Ted Slaughter Tourist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NEWPORT BEACH CALIFORNIA Posts: 2	Thanks Thank you very much for replying so quickly. I will try these out and see if i can narrow it down. When i reinstal Premiere will all the previous videos I have made within it be deleted or what will happen to them. Thanks alot. __________________ WEDGE PHOTOGRAPHER

January 10th, 2005, 08:34 PM	#115
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Vance, What sort of setup do you have? Processor, RAM? Do you have a second physical hard drive set up as your scratch disk, or is everything operating off of one HDD? No question that PPro is demanding. But performance depends both on the your hardware and how your system is set up. If you have an "older" system with a 1GHz processor with 512MB of RAM, your performance isn't going to be the best and that's all there is to it. But even a "fast" system can do poorly if not optimized. For instance, the difference between using a single, mostly filled, highly fragmented "C Drive" and using a second defragged, nearly empty drive as a scratch disk can be night and day. Also, 24p 2:3:3:2 processing is highly demanding of the CPU. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

January 10th, 2005, 09:11 PM	#116
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	PPro 1.5.1 UPDATE soon? I found this page referencing a PPro 1.5 update to 1.5.1 on the Adobe PPro downloads page, but as of this writing there is no link to the actual update file: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloa...jsp?ftpID=2654 One would like to assume from this that an update is actually imminent. It is a new page...I check for updates for the Adobe Video Collection applications pretty regularly. All they advertise is HDV support; no mention of bug fixes...of course, some of us will be checking out 24p behavior and other known issues as soon as this update is available. NOTICE though, they've upped the min system requirement to a P4-3GHz and 1GB RAM...I don't know at all yet whether that represents a real change to the code or just an attempt to reduce complaints about performance, or is aimed specifically at the demands of HDV support. Just wanted to get the word out quickly so DVinfo users can be the first on the block with the update...whenever it actually is posted! __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

January 10th, 2005, 05:51 AM	#108
Al Osmond Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Thame, United Kingdom Posts: 42	OK on the cropping before importing the files. As for the image brightening etc, I confess I was still thinking along the lines of batch processing it using IrfanView or something similar, but IrfanView is possibly a bit too heavy-handed for that purpose. I'll play with this later, when I've caught up with the morning's work. Tot ziens! Al

January 10th, 2005, 06:08 AM	#109
Vance Osborne New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 19	Ugh...I suspected as much :( Thank you Brandon for verifying.. I really found 6.5 much zippier than 1.5. Sluggish beast :) I guess I'll up my ram and cpu (3gig cpu and 1gig ram) and we'll see how that goes... Thanks again for the reply :)

January 10th, 2005, 01:54 PM	#111
Al Osmond Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Thame, United Kingdom Posts: 42	Following up my earlier post. Curses! IrfanView doesn't do cropping, so can't use it to batch process. Got to think again. Maybe if I don't try to use the .AVI file but import a few .TIFFs I can crop those top and bottom in Premiere before brightening up the image. Al

January 10th, 2005, 06:34 PM	#112
Vance Osborne New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 19	Yep, I definitely tried that...it helped a bit..but as soon as there were effects and transistions...ouch. Even on just draft with the monitor window tiny tiny. So strange why they would allow 1.5 to be more sluggish than 6.5...

January 10th, 2005, 06:45 PM	#113
Adam Buckley Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 37	thanks a lot...i didn't realize having the camera connected would cause such a problem. thanks again.

January 10th, 2005, 10:52 PM	#117
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	Well THAT'S a real tease .... (Adobe, that is, not you Pete)! Would have to conclude that the release is indeed imminent for them to have that webpage up.

January 11th, 2005, 12:18 PM	#118
David Yuen Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 185	Adobe 1.5.1 update came and went Looks like an Adobe goof. It was an HDV update and was up last night for a few hours but disappeared by midnight or so.

January 11th, 2005, 12:29 PM	#119
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Thats OK, Sometimes the easiest is not always the obvious... Cheers, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

January 11th, 2005, 02:16 PM	#120
Vance Osborne New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 19	Well, I am currently using a P3g with 1 gig of Ram...fairly fast machine.. I have 3 physical harddrives...but perhaps I should see how I can optimize my hardrives a bit better, like you are mentioning.. Anyone have any suggestions on the best optimal setup? Like, where Pro should be installed and where the scratch disk should be, the actual source videos etc? Thanks!