Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

James Darren · May 9th, 2005, 08:36 AM

thanks Pete...
what about my progressive question?

Brandon Greenlee · May 9th, 2005, 08:43 AM

This is about to drive me nuts.

I have done the batch capture twice now and it still does not line up perfect like the original capture. The whole thing is ending up about a second off. Which with about 2hours worth of cuts ect would take me an extremely long time to go back and re-align.

Does anybody know why in the world it is not lining up perfectly?

Pete Bauer · May 9th, 2005, 09:14 AM

It'll depend on your field handling options within the project and upon export. Of course, if you process using "no fields" and export to a progressive format, you'll not have any interlacing even as your still images are moved around in the video.. If you apply motion/scaling for a still within an interlaced timeline, I think you might introduce combing artifact as the odd and even fields see the moving edges within your frame at slightly different times...no problem if your final output is going to be interlaced but might be bothersome for progressive output or display.

Patrick Jenkins · May 9th, 2005, 12:07 PM

For me personally, I make sure everything is in 23.976: DVFilm output, Premiere settings, DVD frame rate, etc.

Patrick Jenkins · May 9th, 2005, 12:15 PM

Btw... check your playback settings as well. If you use GDI instead of Direct 3D for previewing, you won't get any of the image smoothing that the video card is capable of doing (and you'll get noticable blocks, jaggies, etc).

If you're seeing it on a broadcast monitor or DV->TV out or something, chances are it's an interlacing problem.

Shaun Patterson · May 9th, 2005, 12:53 PM

Hi all,

I am putting together a segment and the subject was flustered while being filmed and hense was sweaty. I didnt think it would show up in the footage but unfortunately it did. I have tried de saturatting and adjusting lvls but cant seem to get rid of the glare caused by his sweaty brow. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks

Shaun

Jimmy McKenzie · May 9th, 2005, 02:52 PM

Show the talent full frame for the first part before he began to sweat. Then use him at 24% pip if it's a talking head documentary and overlay atop b material.

If this is a dramatic piece, you will need to re-shoot.

Chris Vaglio · May 10th, 2005, 08:49 AM

I was sent a harddrive with video clips capture with final cut pro and I can't import them into Premiere Pro 1.5. Does anyone know how to get around that? Do I need a codec for that? I also have the Matrox RTX100 Xtreme Card and my OS is windows XP. Thanks

Chris

Derek Hoffman · May 10th, 2005, 09:39 AM

When i capture and i edit in PP with my Canon XL2 do i need to change the project resolution? I know that the XL2 films in 960x480 when its in 16x9 because of its larger CCD's. So does that sound right? I tried this in a 4:3 project by changing the resolution to 960x480 and it automatically captured in widescreen wen it recognized the camera connection... so that went well. And the actual captured file, when i play it with RealOne Player on my desktop is perfect high resolution (960x480) widescreen. However, when i edit it in PP and export it(in 960x480) to Microsoft DV AVI it seems to lower the quality,the image is very pixely and the colors arent accurate.

Could this have anything to do with my attempt to make a 24p video? I recorded 24p with 2:3:3:2 pulldown and captured on a 29.97 timeline. When i exported i exported in 24 frames progressive the video lost tis quality. I think this happened in PP thought because when i edited it it didnt look like the best quality, oh well, ill mess with it more, thx for the input.

Aaron Dixon · May 10th, 2005, 09:51 AM

To answer the original question, I experienced the same exact problems when i captured my Canon xl2 24p footage into a 29.97fps project. Once I started a new 24p project in PPro and imported the clips into that, the problem went away. Can't explain why PPro behaved this way, but this "fix" worked perfectly--

Aaron Dixon · May 10th, 2005, 09:56 AM

In this recent post:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=67

The user was achieving 16:9 to 4:3 letterboxing by importing 16:9 footage into a 4:3 project and then using scaling to get the letterbox effect. Something seems wrong about this. Is there a way to explicitly tell PPro to export 16:9 to 4:3 letterboxed or what's the right way to do this?

Thanks,
Aaron

Glenn Chan · May 10th, 2005, 11:09 AM

1- Mac uses a different file system than PC. Is the drive formatted NTFS (which Macs can't write to without certain software) or FAT32 (2GB file limit)?

If not, you will need special software to see files on the drive. Do you see files on the drive?

2- Mac uses quicktime-based files, which may be slow in Premiere. You can convert the files to AVI, or you can try to re-capture off the source tapes. Final Cut may be able to export a project file which gives Premiere the timecodes of the clips so you can re-capture.

I think Premiere Pro can import quicktime files. I may be wrong there.

3- You're working with mini-DV right?

Per Johan Naesje · May 10th, 2005, 11:23 AM

Chris,
you could use Automatic Duck tool to import Fcp-footage into Premiere Pro

http://premiere.digitalmedianet.com/...e.jsp?id=30775

Chris Vaglio · May 10th, 2005, 11:40 AM

Hey guys. I actully work with Chris.

The exact sitaution is that footage was captured from MiniDV by Final Cut Pro. The subsequent files were stored on an external HDD (FAT32), and that HDD was shipped to him.

When exploring the HDD the files have NO extensions. If we give them the extension of ".mov" or ".mpeg", APP will import the clips, but then must render them...and there are about 20 hours of clips. :(

If we rename them as as any other kind of format, Premiere will simply not import them at all.

Per, as far as I can tell Automatic Duck is for importing an entire project. We just need to iport clips without having to rerender them.

Is there a reason the files have no extensions?

Jesse Bekas · May 10th, 2005, 11:41 AM

Whoops! That ^ was actually me! (This PC was still signed in under his account)

May 9th, 2005, 08:43 AM	#872
Brandon Greenlee Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Alabama Posts: 242	This is about to drive me nuts. I have done the batch capture twice now and it still does not line up perfect like the original capture. The whole thing is ending up about a second off. Which with about 2hours worth of cuts ect would take me an extremely long time to go back and re-align. Does anybody know why in the world it is not lining up perfectly? __________________ Brandon Greenlee

May 9th, 2005, 09:14 AM	#873
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	It'll depend on your field handling options within the project and upon export. Of course, if you process using "no fields" and export to a progressive format, you'll not have any interlacing even as your still images are moved around in the video.. If you apply motion/scaling for a still within an interlaced timeline, I think you might introduce combing artifact as the odd and even fields see the moving edges within your frame at slightly different times...no problem if your final output is going to be interlaced but might be bothersome for progressive output or display. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

May 9th, 2005, 12:53 PM	#876
Shaun Patterson New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: london, ontario Posts: 15	Need Help (sweaty actor) Hi all, I am putting together a segment and the subject was flustered while being filmed and hense was sweaty. I didnt think it would show up in the footage but unfortunately it did. I have tried de saturatting and adjusting lvls but cant seem to get rid of the glare caused by his sweaty brow. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks Shaun

May 10th, 2005, 08:49 AM	#878
Chris Vaglio Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Rockaway, NJ Posts: 29	Help Me Please I was sent a harddrive with video clips capture with final cut pro and I can't import them into Premiere Pro 1.5. Does anyone know how to get around that? Do I need a codec for that? I also have the Matrox RTX100 Xtreme Card and my OS is windows XP. Thanks Chris __________________ Sincerely, Chris Vaglio Director/Producer/Editor Grey Sky Films www.greyskyfilms.com

May 10th, 2005, 09:39 AM	#879
Derek Hoffman New Boot Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 11	24p editing When i capture and i edit in PP with my Canon XL2 do i need to change the project resolution? I know that the XL2 films in 960x480 when its in 16x9 because of its larger CCD's. So does that sound right? I tried this in a 4:3 project by changing the resolution to 960x480 and it automatically captured in widescreen wen it recognized the camera connection... so that went well. And the actual captured file, when i play it with RealOne Player on my desktop is perfect high resolution (960x480) widescreen. However, when i edit it in PP and export it(in 960x480) to Microsoft DV AVI it seems to lower the quality,the image is very pixely and the colors arent accurate. Could this have anything to do with my attempt to make a 24p video? I recorded 24p with 2:3:3:2 pulldown and captured on a 29.97 timeline. When i exported i exported in 24 frames progressive the video lost tis quality. I think this happened in PP thought because when i edited it it didnt look like the best quality, oh well, ill mess with it more, thx for the input.

May 9th, 2005, 08:36 AM	#871
James Darren Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 235	thanks Pete... what about my progressive question?

May 9th, 2005, 12:07 PM	#874
Patrick Jenkins Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 382	For me personally, I make sure everything is in 23.976: DVFilm output, Premiere settings, DVD frame rate, etc.

May 9th, 2005, 12:15 PM	#875
Patrick Jenkins Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 382	Btw... check your playback settings as well. If you use GDI instead of Direct 3D for previewing, you won't get any of the image smoothing that the video card is capable of doing (and you'll get noticable blocks, jaggies, etc). If you're seeing it on a broadcast monitor or DV->TV out or something, chances are it's an interlacing problem.

May 9th, 2005, 02:52 PM	#877
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	Show the talent full frame for the first part before he began to sweat. Then use him at 24% pip if it's a talking head documentary and overlay atop b material. If this is a dramatic piece, you will need to re-shoot.

May 10th, 2005, 09:51 AM	#880
Aaron Dixon New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: austin, tx Posts: 11	to answer the original question... To answer the original question, I experienced the same exact problems when i captured my Canon xl2 24p footage into a 29.97fps project. Once I started a new 24p project in PPro and imported the clips into that, the problem went away. Can't explain why PPro behaved this way, but this "fix" worked perfectly--

May 10th, 2005, 09:56 AM	#881
Aaron Dixon New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: austin, tx Posts: 11	right way to export 16:9 to 4:3 letterboxed? In this recent post: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=67 The user was achieving 16:9 to 4:3 letterboxing by importing 16:9 footage into a 4:3 project and then using scaling to get the letterbox effect. Something seems wrong about this. Is there a way to explicitly tell PPro to export 16:9 to 4:3 letterboxed or what's the right way to do this? Thanks, Aaron

May 10th, 2005, 11:09 AM	#882
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	1- Mac uses a different file system than PC. Is the drive formatted NTFS (which Macs can't write to without certain software) or FAT32 (2GB file limit)? If not, you will need special software to see files on the drive. Do you see files on the drive? 2- Mac uses quicktime-based files, which may be slow in Premiere. You can convert the files to AVI, or you can try to re-capture off the source tapes. Final Cut may be able to export a project file which gives Premiere the timecodes of the clips so you can re-capture. I think Premiere Pro can import quicktime files. I may be wrong there. 3- You're working with mini-DV right?

May 10th, 2005, 11:23 AM	#883
Per Johan Naesje Trustee Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Akershus, Norway Posts: 1,413	Chris, you could use Automatic Duck tool to import Fcp-footage into Premiere Pro http://premiere.digitalmedianet.com/...e.jsp?id=30775

May 10th, 2005, 11:40 AM	#884
Chris Vaglio Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Rockaway, NJ Posts: 29	Hey guys. I actully work with Chris. The exact sitaution is that footage was captured from MiniDV by Final Cut Pro. The subsequent files were stored on an external HDD (FAT32), and that HDD was shipped to him. When exploring the HDD the files have NO extensions. If we give them the extension of ".mov" or ".mpeg", APP will import the clips, but then must render them...and there are about 20 hours of clips. :( If we rename them as as any other kind of format, Premiere will simply not import them at all. Per, as far as I can tell Automatic Duck is for importing an entire project. We just need to iport clips without having to rerender them. Is there a reason the files have no extensions? __________________ Sincerely, Chris Vaglio Director/Producer/Editor Grey Sky Films www.greyskyfilms.com

May 10th, 2005, 11:41 AM	#885
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	Whoops! That ^ was actually me! (This PC was still signed in under his account)