Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Brandon Greenlee · May 5th, 2005, 08:56 AM

I am using Premiere Pro 1.5

I deleted a video file out of my project because I needed the harddrive space earlier today. I just recaptured the file and linked the 'offline' file to the new one I just captured.

The first part is right, but right after the point where I had done cuts and other things, the video is incredibly off. Premiere is just going by the file length and not the timecode.

The video had a clean timecode ect.
I know that this is supposed to be easy to do - what am I missing?

I need premiere to replace the file correctly based on the original timecode. The video file is exactly the same as the original video file except for I started capturing at a slightly different place, however should it not base the placement of the file based on the timecode readings and not the length of the file?

Christopher Lefchik · May 5th, 2005, 09:03 AM

Just curious, did you try to batch recapture the file from within Premiere Pro? I don't have access to Premiere Pro now, but I think you should be able to right click on the off lined file and choose to recapture it. I've done this before.

Brandon Greenlee · May 5th, 2005, 09:05 AM

Your right.

I just pulled out my PPro Studio Techniques book and it mentions this. However now I must wait another hour to capture via this method.
Thanks for the reply though.

However, there must be a way for premiere pro to do this without batch capture, but based purely on the timecode of the captured material. Its almost like batch capturing from the camera, except its just pulling the material straight from your harddrive by reading the timecode...?

Christopher Lefchik · May 5th, 2005, 09:17 AM

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However, there must be a way for premiere pro to do this without batch capture, but based purely on the timecode of the captured material.

I thought I remembered reading about doing this, perhaps over on the Adobe forums, but I couldn't find the thread.

Matthew Weitz · May 5th, 2005, 11:09 AM

OMG! Yeah I'm using footage given to me by a friend who has a Sony camcorder that only captures in MPEG. Jeez. Could I speed it up if I converted all the files to uncompressed .AVI?

Matthew Weitz · May 5th, 2005, 11:16 AM

Awesome! Thanks!

Brent Ray · May 5th, 2005, 11:50 AM

Anyone?

I have to go over there today and continue to work, and I don't know what I'm going to do if I can't figure out this problem.

Marco Wagner · May 5th, 2005, 11:50 AM

It's worth a shot, try it with a small section of video first, that way you don't waste time if it doesn't work, the audio may not come out in sync. I think I remember just suffering with it until I started capturing differently. I had a capture card that only had S-Video and RCA. My capture software sucked at the time too, so it captured only in MPEG1 no choice for .AVI . I think I also tried to increase the bitrate, I don't remember if that helped or not.

Jimmy McKenzie · May 5th, 2005, 12:11 PM

I would export each sequence as DV avi and create several Encore projects. The transcoding process is time consuming once you begin to build your img file from within Encore.
If you have 14 hours of source material plus the flattened work from PPro along with all the assorted conformed audio files, perhaps your drive is full?
If you have gigs 'o plenty on the system, try exporting a shorter avi from premiere. Maybe 1 hour and test that in Encore to see if you are successful. Then you can increase the load on Encore and patiently wait to see how the VBR compression works out. The compression in Encore is quite good, but it does take time.

Brent Ray · May 5th, 2005, 12:34 PM

Hard drive space isn't the issue. I'm using a 400gb external drive, and even with all the uncompressed footage on there, it's only half full. I will try what you're recommending and see if I have any better results. Although I did try using Encore before and it froze just like Premiere. I wish this process was much easier.

Any idea why Premiere was telling me that my <2 hours of footage would take up more space that was available on the DVD? That was really boggling my mind for a while on Tuesday.

Jimmy McKenzie · May 5th, 2005, 12:51 PM

You original post indicated that your OS and Premiere were not freezing. But you think Encore is freezing up? Sounds like hardware.

I don't want to send you on a diagnostic wild goose chase because I have no experience with external drives. But this could be i/o related. If you have a secondary slave ide available, you might try using that as your video drive location with a 120 gig drive. This way your throughput will be faster and less prone to bottlenecks. Granted your source files won't all fit there, but you could use that ide drive as the drive location for the flattened avi_s as well as the export location for your img files from encore.

Marco Wagner · May 5th, 2005, 03:31 PM

Have you tried just making a single .avi and burning it (transcoding) with 3rd party burning software? I usually use Nero to make DVDs that don't require a menu and chapters.

Tim Kolb · May 5th, 2005, 04:10 PM

In my experience, the Screen and Multiply keyers haven't worked in PPro v1 or 1.5...I don't have 1.5.1 on anything yet, but I suspect the blurs have nothing to do with it...

As far as reporting the bug...I've been reporting it for two years. I can tell you that it made it onto the hot list and chances are 1.5.1 will be the last version that bug will exist...

Brent Ray · May 5th, 2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Wagner

Have you tried just making a single .avi and burning it (transcoding) with 3rd party burning software? I usually use Nero to make DVDs that don't require a menu and chapters.

I thought about doing that, and even tried it, but I think Nero needs to have the files already converted to MPEG2 with video and audio separated. Because when I open a DVD video project in nero, it has the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders there to drop files into.

Dan Euritt · May 5th, 2005, 04:53 PM

you could fit 4 hours of footage onto a dvd if you wanted to... all that you have to do is to set the bitrate correctly... there are numerous bitrate calculators on the 'net that will help you do this... try www.videohelp.com (?)

the freezing problem shouldn't be related to that at all... but you might try exporting an avi and encoding it directly with the mainconcept mpeg encoder that comes with premiere... or is that not accessible as a stand-alone app in the latest version of premiere? 6.5 had it.

May 5th, 2005, 08:56 AM	#841
Brandon Greenlee Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Alabama Posts: 242	Restoring Project Through Timecode I am using Premiere Pro 1.5 I deleted a video file out of my project because I needed the harddrive space earlier today. I just recaptured the file and linked the 'offline' file to the new one I just captured. The first part is right, but right after the point where I had done cuts and other things, the video is incredibly off. Premiere is just going by the file length and not the timecode. The video had a clean timecode ect. I know that this is supposed to be easy to do - what am I missing? I need premiere to replace the file correctly based on the original timecode. The video file is exactly the same as the original video file except for I started capturing at a slightly different place, however should it not base the placement of the file based on the timecode readings and not the length of the file? __________________ Brandon Greenlee

May 5th, 2005, 09:05 AM	#843
Brandon Greenlee Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Alabama Posts: 242	Your right. I just pulled out my PPro Studio Techniques book and it mentions this. However now I must wait another hour to capture via this method. Thanks for the reply though. However, there must be a way for premiere pro to do this without batch capture, but based purely on the timecode of the captured material. Its almost like batch capturing from the camera, except its just pulling the material straight from your harddrive by reading the timecode...? __________________ Brandon Greenlee

May 5th, 2005, 11:50 AM	#848
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	It's worth a shot, try it with a small section of video first, that way you don't waste time if it doesn't work, the audio may not come out in sync. I think I remember just suffering with it until I started capturing differently. I had a capture card that only had S-Video and RCA. My capture software sucked at the time too, so it captured only in MPEG1 no choice for .AVI . I think I also tried to increase the bitrate, I don't remember if that helped or not. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 5th, 2005, 03:31 PM	#852
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Have you tried just making a single .avi and burning it (transcoding) with 3rd party burning software? I usually use Nero to make DVDs that don't require a menu and chapters. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 5th, 2005, 09:03 AM	#842
Christopher Lefchik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 1,152	Just curious, did you try to batch recapture the file from within Premiere Pro? I don't have access to Premiere Pro now, but I think you should be able to right click on the off lined file and choose to recapture it. I've done this before.

May 5th, 2005, 11:09 AM	#845
Matthew Weitz Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 42	OMG! Yeah I'm using footage given to me by a friend who has a Sony camcorder that only captures in MPEG. Jeez. Could I speed it up if I converted all the files to uncompressed .AVI?

May 5th, 2005, 11:16 AM	#846
Matthew Weitz Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 42	Awesome! Thanks!

May 5th, 2005, 11:50 AM	#847
Brent Ray Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Westford, MA Posts: 145	Anyone? I have to go over there today and continue to work, and I don't know what I'm going to do if I can't figure out this problem.

May 5th, 2005, 12:11 PM	#849
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	I would export each sequence as DV avi and create several Encore projects. The transcoding process is time consuming once you begin to build your img file from within Encore. If you have 14 hours of source material plus the flattened work from PPro along with all the assorted conformed audio files, perhaps your drive is full? If you have gigs 'o plenty on the system, try exporting a shorter avi from premiere. Maybe 1 hour and test that in Encore to see if you are successful. Then you can increase the load on Encore and patiently wait to see how the VBR compression works out. The compression in Encore is quite good, but it does take time.

May 5th, 2005, 12:34 PM	#850
Brent Ray Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Westford, MA Posts: 145	Hard drive space isn't the issue. I'm using a 400gb external drive, and even with all the uncompressed footage on there, it's only half full. I will try what you're recommending and see if I have any better results. Although I did try using Encore before and it froze just like Premiere. I wish this process was much easier. Any idea why Premiere was telling me that my <2 hours of footage would take up more space that was available on the DVD? That was really boggling my mind for a while on Tuesday.

May 5th, 2005, 12:51 PM	#851
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	You original post indicated that your OS and Premiere were not freezing. But you think Encore is freezing up? Sounds like hardware. I don't want to send you on a diagnostic wild goose chase because I have no experience with external drives. But this could be i/o related. If you have a secondary slave ide available, you might try using that as your video drive location with a 120 gig drive. This way your throughput will be faster and less prone to bottlenecks. Granted your source files won't all fit there, but you could use that ide drive as the drive location for the flattened avi_s as well as the export location for your img files from encore.

May 5th, 2005, 04:10 PM	#853
Tim Kolb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Neenah, WI Posts: 547	In my experience, the Screen and Multiply keyers haven't worked in PPro v1 or 1.5...I don't have 1.5.1 on anything yet, but I suspect the blurs have nothing to do with it... As far as reporting the bug...I've been reporting it for two years. I can tell you that it made it onto the hot list and chances are 1.5.1 will be the last version that bug will exist...

May 5th, 2005, 04:53 PM	#855
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	you could fit 4 hours of footage onto a dvd if you wanted to... all that you have to do is to set the bitrate correctly... there are numerous bitrate calculators on the 'net that will help you do this... try www.videohelp.com (?) the freezing problem shouldn't be related to that at all... but you might try exporting an avi and encoding it directly with the mainconcept mpeg encoder that comes with premiere... or is that not accessible as a stand-alone app in the latest version of premiere? 6.5 had it.