Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Bob Feldman · May 4th, 2005, 08:10 AM

the desktop is running XP Pro SP1 and the Laptop XP Home SP2.

Jennifer Graves · May 4th, 2005, 08:48 AM

When you start a new project you can choose between DV-NTSC or DV-NTSC Real-Time Preview... is one any better than the other besides giving you a real time preview? I don't see why you wouldn't want the preview if the quality of the final video is going to be exactly the same.

Aanarav Sareen · May 4th, 2005, 09:12 AM

Are you using Premiere 6.5? If so, then yes, it does matter, because if you don't turn on real time preview, you will have to render EVERYTHING. (titles, transitions etc...)

Jennifer Graves · May 4th, 2005, 09:28 AM

I am using 6.5. So other than giving me that preview there is nothing different between the 2?

K. Forman · May 4th, 2005, 09:31 AM

It really depends on your hardware. If you don't have enough juice, it is a waste of time trying to get "real time" previews. If I'm not mistaken (And I might be).

Marco Wagner · May 4th, 2005, 12:43 PM

I have an XL1s and film in frame mode. My question is what happens between filming and the capture process to the fps.

When filming in frame mode, my cam still uses 30fps does it not?

When capturing in Premiere it captures at 30fps right?

So how is frame mode of any use if it is still being captured at 30fps?

Marco Wagner · May 4th, 2005, 12:46 PM

Haven't seen that one yet. Have you tried nesting that sequence into a new one and then adding the Gaussian or Fast Blur?

Marco Wagner · May 4th, 2005, 12:51 PM

I had problems in older versions of Premiere with stuttering and long render times. The cause in my case was using MPG and MPEG files instead of actual DV captured AVIs. Once I got firewire and was able to capture raw AVI, the problem went away, footage rendered rapidly.

Are you using MPG, MPEG, or a non standard (3rd party) capture software?

Marco Wagner · May 4th, 2005, 01:04 PM

Gotz's site is killer, I learned a lot there over the years.

Steven Gotz · May 4th, 2005, 01:19 PM

Thanks. I do my best to keep it current. It all started as a way for me to keep track of things, so I figured I might as well share.

Steven Gotz · May 4th, 2005, 01:22 PM

Marco is correct, there is a need for nested sequences in cases like this. Otherwise you are blurring the channels and it fouls up the key.

I believe it is working as designed, and is not a bug. Just a really odd design.

I suggest that you put in a feature request for an "adjustment layer" like After Effects has.

Marco Wagner · May 4th, 2005, 01:26 PM

Are there ANY spaces in your clip that have no black, no footage, or titles etc.? I have seen premiere do this when there are empty spaces between clips.

Marco Wagner · May 4th, 2005, 01:44 PM

You should be able to just use the Motion feature and make each clip a smaller section of the screen. You may have to add additional video tracks.

Brent Ray · May 4th, 2005, 10:20 PM

I've been working overtime for an automotive research company to try to put 14 hours of raw video footage onto DVDs. Now, as far as I remember, you are supposed to be able to fit 2 hours of video onto one DVD, so I made several different sequences in Premiere Pro (one for each DVD). All of these are 2 hours or under. When I go to export each sequence to DVD, the space it requires is over 6gb, far more than the 4.7gb available on a DVD-R. I checked the "Maximize Bitrate" box which seems to compress it down to just fit on the disc, but every time I try to burn, it never gets through the transcoding process. It gets somewhere between halfway and two-thirds done transcoding and stops. The computer isn't frozen, and even Premiere is still responding, it just seems to come to a halt. Anyone else have this problem? Or have a solution? I've tried changing the output settings from the preferred 7mb VBR with dolby digital to the 4mb VBR, but even that requires about 5gb and I get the same freezing problems.

I've even tried exporting each sequence as single DV AVI files and bringing them into Adobe Encore, but that doesn't seem to be working either.

This is really confusing me and it's getting to the point where if I can't get a solution soon, I'm gonna have to tell the guys at the company that I can't get the job done, and obviously that is not a very desirable option.

Anybody have a suggestion?

Rob Lohman · May 5th, 2005, 05:49 AM

This seems to be a problem with the InstallShield program (that is the installer
that tries to install Premiere):

That error number translates to: "Element not found"

Searching on the error number yielded this link:

http://consumer.installshield.com/kb.asp?id=Q110616

May 4th, 2005, 08:10 AM	#826
Bob Feldman Tourist Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3	forgot to mention.... the desktop is running XP Pro SP1 and the Laptop XP Home SP2.

May 4th, 2005, 08:48 AM	#827
Jennifer Graves Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 53	One better than other? When you start a new project you can choose between DV-NTSC or DV-NTSC Real-Time Preview... is one any better than the other besides giving you a real time preview? I don't see why you wouldn't want the preview if the quality of the final video is going to be exactly the same.

May 4th, 2005, 09:12 AM	#828
Aanarav Sareen Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NJ, US Posts: 183	Are you using Premiere 6.5? If so, then yes, it does matter, because if you don't turn on real time preview, you will have to render EVERYTHING. (titles, transitions etc...) __________________ http://www.sareen.tv

May 4th, 2005, 09:31 AM	#830
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	It really depends on your hardware. If you don't have enough juice, it is a waste of time trying to get "real time" previews. If I'm not mistaken (And I might be). __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

May 4th, 2005, 12:43 PM	#831
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Frame mode and capturing I have an XL1s and film in frame mode. My question is what happens between filming and the capture process to the fps. When filming in frame mode, my cam still uses 30fps does it not? When capturing in Premiere it captures at 30fps right? So how is frame mode of any use if it is still being captured at 30fps?

May 4th, 2005, 09:28 AM	#829
Jennifer Graves Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 53	I am using 6.5. So other than giving me that preview there is nothing different between the 2?

May 4th, 2005, 12:46 PM	#832
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Haven't seen that one yet. Have you tried nesting that sequence into a new one and then adding the Gaussian or Fast Blur?

May 4th, 2005, 12:51 PM	#833
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	I had problems in older versions of Premiere with stuttering and long render times. The cause in my case was using MPG and MPEG files instead of actual DV captured AVIs. Once I got firewire and was able to capture raw AVI, the problem went away, footage rendered rapidly. Are you using MPG, MPEG, or a non standard (3rd party) capture software?

May 4th, 2005, 01:04 PM	#834
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Gotz's site is killer, I learned a lot there over the years.

May 4th, 2005, 01:19 PM	#835
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Thanks. I do my best to keep it current. It all started as a way for me to keep track of things, so I figured I might as well share. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

May 4th, 2005, 01:22 PM	#836
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Marco is correct, there is a need for nested sequences in cases like this. Otherwise you are blurring the channels and it fouls up the key. I believe it is working as designed, and is not a bug. Just a really odd design. I suggest that you put in a feature request for an "adjustment layer" like After Effects has. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

May 4th, 2005, 01:26 PM	#837
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Are there ANY spaces in your clip that have no black, no footage, or titles etc.? I have seen premiere do this when there are empty spaces between clips. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 4th, 2005, 01:44 PM	#838
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	You should be able to just use the Motion feature and make each clip a smaller section of the screen. You may have to add additional video tracks. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 4th, 2005, 10:20 PM	#839
Brent Ray Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Westford, MA Posts: 145	Export to DVD issues I've been working overtime for an automotive research company to try to put 14 hours of raw video footage onto DVDs. Now, as far as I remember, you are supposed to be able to fit 2 hours of video onto one DVD, so I made several different sequences in Premiere Pro (one for each DVD). All of these are 2 hours or under. When I go to export each sequence to DVD, the space it requires is over 6gb, far more than the 4.7gb available on a DVD-R. I checked the "Maximize Bitrate" box which seems to compress it down to just fit on the disc, but every time I try to burn, it never gets through the transcoding process. It gets somewhere between halfway and two-thirds done transcoding and stops. The computer isn't frozen, and even Premiere is still responding, it just seems to come to a halt. Anyone else have this problem? Or have a solution? I've tried changing the output settings from the preferred 7mb VBR with dolby digital to the 4mb VBR, but even that requires about 5gb and I get the same freezing problems. I've even tried exporting each sequence as single DV AVI files and bringing them into Adobe Encore, but that doesn't seem to be working either. This is really confusing me and it's getting to the point where if I can't get a solution soon, I'm gonna have to tell the guys at the company that I can't get the job done, and obviously that is not a very desirable option. Anybody have a suggestion?

May 5th, 2005, 05:49 AM	#840
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	This seems to be a problem with the InstallShield program (that is the installer that tries to install Premiere): That error number translates to: "Element not found" Searching on the error number yielded this link: http://consumer.installshield.com/kb.asp?id=Q110616 __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors