Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Rob Lohman · April 6th, 2005, 04:43 AM

No, there is no limit as long as you have the harddisk formatted
in NTFS. Since you could capture 55 minutes this seems to be
the case.

This sounds like it may be dropping frames and thus aborting
the capture.

Have you updated 1.5 to the latest update/patch available?

What operating system, harddisk, memory are you running?

Rob Lohman · April 6th, 2005, 04:51 AM

Hello Andrew, welcome aboard (H)DVinfo.net!

Your first question belongs in our VX-2100 forum, but it sounds
like you overexposed. Learn to control your camera in manual
mode. Practice practice practice is the only way you will ever
truly get a feel on how things work and will look. We all had to
learn and practice!

Which version of Premiere do you have? Almost all versions come
with some level of image control. Look at constrast, brightness,
saturation and gamma (curve) controls.

Later versions include the more powerful color correction tools
with color curves and secondary color correctors etc.

However, don't expect magic. This takes time and practice as well
and will only change what is in the image. If you have blown out
highlights you will never be able to recover that information since
it is simply not there in the first place.

The best you can do is enhance an image or remove/hide certain
flaws etc.

Andrei Petrik · April 6th, 2005, 08:12 PM

This is my system setup:

Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Intel Pentium 4A, 2566 MHz (19 x 135)
Asus P4B533 (6 PCI, 1 AGP, 3 DIMM)
Intel Brookdale i845E
Matrox Graphics Millennium G550 AGP (32 MB)
Creative SB Live! Sound Card
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
A347SCSI SCSI Controller
HPT372A UDMA/ATA133 RAID Controller
WinXP Promise Ultra133 TX2 (tm) IDE Controller
Floppy disk drive
WDC WD800BB (74 GB, IDE)
WDC WD800JB (74 GB, IDE)
WDC WD800JB (74 GB, IDE)
WDC WD20 00JB-00GVA0 SCSI Disk Device (186 GB)
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B
SONY DVD-ROM DDU1621 (16x/40x DVD-ROM)
2x 512 DDR
Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
1394 Net Adapter
DVStorm-RT

Have you updated 1.5 to the latest update/patch available?

Not yet, i heard i don;t need the updated since its aimed at HD production work.

Andrei Petrik · April 6th, 2005, 08:14 PM

Forgot to mention that i also have another
WDC WD20 00JB-00GVA0 SCSI Disk Device (186 GB)

Brandon Miletta · April 6th, 2005, 09:25 PM

Hey guys,

Just go premire today, and its awsome. One problem i need to get sorted out, when i capture HDV from my Sony HDR-FX1 camera, after about 5-10 seconds of footage (after captured) the video has pure green artifacts, and it appears to go at superfast motion. It becomes completley un-usable footage, I have tried with scene capture on and off to see if that was the problem but its not.

CPU specs:
Windows XP
AMD atholon XP 2800 (2.09ghz)
ATI Radeon 9800pro 128mb
1024mb RAM
114gb hardrive (50gb open)

help?

K. Forman · April 6th, 2005, 09:29 PM

As much as I like Premiere, I always hated it for capturing. Fortunately, I also have DV Storm. It's much nicer. Didn't your cam come with some software? Other than that, you might try Adobe's site for some new patches and updates.

Aanarav Sareen · April 6th, 2005, 10:11 PM

Does this happen with every tape or with only one specific tape?

Andrei Petrik · April 6th, 2005, 11:26 PM

so far, this happened with with last 3 tapes.
and i have been using same brand for some time.
This also happens when i use non-dropframe playback and capture settings.

I don't get it, why won't it capture the last 6 or 7 minutes of the tape?

Brandon Miletta · April 6th, 2005, 11:34 PM

its HDV...there isnt much out there. And no, it doesnt come with software, because its HDV..................

Aanarav Sareen · April 6th, 2005, 11:46 PM

Ok. Lets try a couple of things then:

1. Fast forward your tape to 50 minutes and try capturing the last 10 minutes. Does this work? If not, then it is more than likely a Canopus problem.

2. Try capturing the last 10 minutes via the ScLive trial (http://www.scenalyzer.com) If that does not work, then try the next step

3. If your computer has regular firewire ports, try capturing the last 10 minutes through them.

David Taylor · April 7th, 2005, 07:43 AM

Brandon,

Your machine is under the min spec required by Adobe. This might be (part of) the problem.

I recommend that you download Aspect HD from CineForm and use the capture app that is part of this app called HDLink. (HDLink works outside Premiere, although you lose batch capture capabilities). On underspec machines it is useful to do a two-pass capture with HDLink. 1) Capture the TS stream from the camcorder, and 2) in a second pass convert the stream into the CineForm avi needed by PremPro. (HDLink allows you to do the capture as a single capture/convert step or use two separate steps.) They offer a 15-day free trial.

If you decide you aren't interested in the other performance features of Aspect HD, HDLink is also part of Connect HD, but without the RT PremPro features.

David.

Jule Kaufmann · April 7th, 2005, 12:33 PM

Adobe Audition does have mackie control support and integrates with Premiere Pro, but PPro doesnt have direct support.

Bruce S. Yarock · April 7th, 2005, 02:42 PM

We recently did our first project with green screen. We lit the screen correctly, kept the talent 8 feet in front of the screen and lit her correctly. We did the editing in Premier 6.5 using some scanned photos for background.

The video looked great and the pictures were good as well. In a couple of spots there is still a small amount of green bleeding (the edge of her hand, forearm etc.) When we tried to adjust in Premiere the video became too transparent.

We've read and looked at the "Ultra Key" program, which claims to solve this problem. Also, we've heard that keying is easier in Premiere Pro.

Does anyone have experience and know what our best solution would be?

Thanks in advance,

Bruce Yarock

Aanarav Sareen · April 7th, 2005, 05:17 PM

IMO Premiere/PPROs keyer lacks in numerous areas. I have used many NLEs and PPRO probably has the worst keyer. If you have AE, then I would reccomend using AE for keying as it is a lot more flexible. I don't have any experience with Ultra, but from what I have seen and heard, it is great

Brent Ray · April 7th, 2005, 09:35 PM

I haven't used Premiere 6.5 in a long time, but is there any sort of Matte Choker or some kind of choke effect you can put on there? That will help reduce some of the green artifcats around your subjects. Also adjust the green hue on your subjects if there is any green reflection off the screen. Hope this helps a little.

April 6th, 2005, 04:43 AM	#631
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	No, there is no limit as long as you have the harddisk formatted in NTFS. Since you could capture 55 minutes this seems to be the case. This sounds like it may be dropping frames and thus aborting the capture. Have you updated 1.5 to the latest update/patch available? What operating system, harddisk, memory are you running? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 6th, 2005, 04:51 AM	#632
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Hello Andrew, welcome aboard (H)DVinfo.net! Your first question belongs in our VX-2100 forum, but it sounds like you overexposed. Learn to control your camera in manual mode. Practice practice practice is the only way you will ever truly get a feel on how things work and will look. We all had to learn and practice! Which version of Premiere do you have? Almost all versions come with some level of image control. Look at constrast, brightness, saturation and gamma (curve) controls. Later versions include the more powerful color correction tools with color curves and secondary color correctors etc. However, don't expect magic. This takes time and practice as well and will only change what is in the image. If you have blown out highlights you will never be able to recover that information since it is simply not there in the first place. The best you can do is enhance an image or remove/hide certain flaws etc. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 6th, 2005, 08:12 PM	#633
Andrei Petrik Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	This is my system setup: Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail) Intel Pentium 4A, 2566 MHz (19 x 135) Asus P4B533 (6 PCI, 1 AGP, 3 DIMM) Intel Brookdale i845E Matrox Graphics Millennium G550 AGP (32 MB) Creative SB Live! Sound Card Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller A347SCSI SCSI Controller HPT372A UDMA/ATA133 RAID Controller WinXP Promise Ultra133 TX2 (tm) IDE Controller Floppy disk drive WDC WD800BB (74 GB, IDE) WDC WD800JB (74 GB, IDE) WDC WD800JB (74 GB, IDE) WDC WD20 00JB-00GVA0 SCSI Disk Device (186 GB) HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B SONY DVD-ROM DDU1621 (16x/40x DVD-ROM) 2x 512 DDR Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC 1394 Net Adapter DVStorm-RT Have you updated 1.5 to the latest update/patch available? Not yet, i heard i don;t need the updated since its aimed at HD production work. __________________ XL1s - P4 2.53Ghz - 1GB RAM - DVstorm2 - PPro 1.5 - AE 6.5

April 6th, 2005, 08:14 PM	#634
Andrei Petrik Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	Forgot to mention that i also have another WDC WD20 00JB-00GVA0 SCSI Disk Device (186 GB) __________________ XL1s - P4 2.53Ghz - 1GB RAM - DVstorm2 - PPro 1.5 - AE 6.5

April 6th, 2005, 09:25 PM	#635
Brandon Miletta New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 20	Premiere capture is unstable? Hey guys, Just go premire today, and its awsome. One problem i need to get sorted out, when i capture HDV from my Sony HDR-FX1 camera, after about 5-10 seconds of footage (after captured) the video has pure green artifacts, and it appears to go at superfast motion. It becomes completley un-usable footage, I have tried with scene capture on and off to see if that was the problem but its not. CPU specs: Windows XP AMD atholon XP 2800 (2.09ghz) ATI Radeon 9800pro 128mb 1024mb RAM 114gb hardrive (50gb open) help? __________________ -B. Miletta

April 6th, 2005, 09:29 PM	#636
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	As much as I like Premiere, I always hated it for capturing. Fortunately, I also have DV Storm. It's much nicer. Didn't your cam come with some software? Other than that, you might try Adobe's site for some new patches and updates. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

April 6th, 2005, 10:11 PM	#637
Aanarav Sareen Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NJ, US Posts: 183	Does this happen with every tape or with only one specific tape? __________________ http://www.sareen.tv

April 6th, 2005, 11:26 PM	#638
Andrei Petrik Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	so far, this happened with with last 3 tapes. and i have been using same brand for some time. This also happens when i use non-dropframe playback and capture settings. I don't get it, why won't it capture the last 6 or 7 minutes of the tape? __________________ XL1s - P4 2.53Ghz - 1GB RAM - DVstorm2 - PPro 1.5 - AE 6.5

April 6th, 2005, 11:34 PM	#639
Brandon Miletta New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 20	its HDV...there isnt much out there. And no, it doesnt come with software, because its HDV.................. __________________ -B. Miletta

April 6th, 2005, 11:46 PM	#640
Aanarav Sareen Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NJ, US Posts: 183	Ok. Lets try a couple of things then: 1. Fast forward your tape to 50 minutes and try capturing the last 10 minutes. Does this work? If not, then it is more than likely a Canopus problem. 2. Try capturing the last 10 minutes via the ScLive trial (http://www.scenalyzer.com) If that does not work, then try the next step 3. If your computer has regular firewire ports, try capturing the last 10 minutes through them. __________________ http://www.sareen.tv

April 7th, 2005, 07:43 AM	#641
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Brandon, Your machine is under the min spec required by Adobe. This might be (part of) the problem. I recommend that you download Aspect HD from CineForm and use the capture app that is part of this app called HDLink. (HDLink works outside Premiere, although you lose batch capture capabilities). On underspec machines it is useful to do a two-pass capture with HDLink. 1) Capture the TS stream from the camcorder, and 2) in a second pass convert the stream into the CineForm avi needed by PremPro. (HDLink allows you to do the capture as a single capture/convert step or use two separate steps.) They offer a 15-day free trial. If you decide you aren't interested in the other performance features of Aspect HD, HDLink is also part of Connect HD, but without the RT PremPro features. David.

April 7th, 2005, 12:33 PM	#642
Jule Kaufmann Tourist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Jacksonville Beach, Florida Posts: 3	Adobe Audition does have mackie control support and integrates with Premiere Pro, but PPro doesnt have direct support. __________________ ck

April 7th, 2005, 02:42 PM	#643
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Chroma key/Green Screen problem We recently did our first project with green screen. We lit the screen correctly, kept the talent 8 feet in front of the screen and lit her correctly. We did the editing in Premier 6.5 using some scanned photos for background. The video looked great and the pictures were good as well. In a couple of spots there is still a small amount of green bleeding (the edge of her hand, forearm etc.) When we tried to adjust in Premiere the video became too transparent. We've read and looked at the "Ultra Key" program, which claims to solve this problem. Also, we've heard that keying is easier in Premiere Pro. Does anyone have experience and know what our best solution would be? Thanks in advance, Bruce Yarock

April 7th, 2005, 05:17 PM	#644
Aanarav Sareen Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NJ, US Posts: 183	IMO Premiere/PPROs keyer lacks in numerous areas. I have used many NLEs and PPRO probably has the worst keyer. If you have AE, then I would reccomend using AE for keying as it is a lot more flexible. I don't have any experience with Ultra, but from what I have seen and heard, it is great __________________ http://www.sareen.tv

April 7th, 2005, 09:35 PM	#645
Brent Ray Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Westford, MA Posts: 145	I haven't used Premiere 6.5 in a long time, but is there any sort of Matte Choker or some kind of choke effect you can put on there? That will help reduce some of the green artifcats around your subjects. Also adjust the green hue on your subjects if there is any green reflection off the screen. Hope this helps a little.