Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Kevin Janisch · March 23rd, 2005, 05:27 PM

Does anybody know if PPro Color Correction settings integrate into AE 6.5 Pro and vica versa? Meaning, if I adjust the curves in Premiere Pro 1.5, will this setting stay intact and be modifiable in AE 6.5 Pro? I know in PPro 1.0 and AE 6 Pro this was not the case. Being that AE 6.5 now has monitor preview via firewire this question may be irrelevant. Thanks.

Kevin

Charles King · March 25th, 2005, 12:59 AM

Was wondering since premiere 6,5 only does dv previews in realtime ,is the same also for premiere pro and pro 1,5?
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Ed Smith · March 28th, 2005, 11:53 AM

Hi Charles,

With Premiere 6 you had to choose the real-time preview option. That technology I think is the same with Premiere Pro, except now everything uses the real-time preview.

Hope this helps,

Ed Smith · March 28th, 2005, 11:58 AM

Hi Mark,

when you are using the non-matrox settings, you won't be able to use the Matrox hardware. When you are not using the Matrox hardware you can use your camera as a digital to analogure convertor so you can preview what you are editing on your TV.

Hope this helps,

Justin Lang · March 28th, 2005, 12:00 PM

I been making lots of film in 16:9 and they all work when i play then in my DVD player on my TV has 16:9. what i do is I import my xl2 shots into premiere i export then from premiere has avi, then bring it into encore and make it a widescreen dvd ( the menu and everyting widescreen) but my question is when i show the dvd its not widescreen on my freinds dvd player. And the great xl2 isnt so great when its 16:9 streched to full screen. But it you buy a retail dvd at like best buy in widesceen its always right 16:9 so it cant be the tv. Am i missing a step when i make the DVD? I need it to be showen in 16:9 ON ALL dvd players. HOW?

Charles King · March 28th, 2005, 02:07 PM

Thanks. I needed that.

Kyle Ringin · March 28th, 2005, 04:01 PM

Sounds like your friend is using a 4:3 tv with the DVD player set to a 16:9 monitor. Go to the DVD player setup menu and make sure it's set to 4:3 LB (letterbox) if you're using a 4:3 screen.

Hope this helps.

Justin Lang · March 28th, 2005, 05:16 PM

Thats it thank you very much your the man.

But one thing how come if you buy a DVD at the store in widescreen its forsure widescreen on your dvd player and you don't need to change anything. What are they doing to there DVDs that I am not?

Anyways thanks for the help this will make my next big movie forsure widesceen!!!

Jon Turner · March 28th, 2005, 05:24 PM

how have you guys calibrated your monitors for editing?

i know to reduce colour to zero, then adjust brightness, then contrast, then restore the colour, and i have a PAL testcard, but a lot of this seems to be subjective judgement.

is there a way of producing a 'standardised' calibration?

incidentally, is there is a website that will guide me through calibrating my monitor?

ps, i am using a TFT screen. i know, far from ideal, but don't have too many options.

Mark Williams · March 28th, 2005, 06:23 PM

Try http://videouniversity.com/tvbars2.htm

Regards,

Mark

Boyd Ostroff · March 28th, 2005, 07:21 PM

I've often wonderered about those monitor calibration probes, like the Spyder which have gotten cheaper in recent years. You can choose the desired gamma, etc. with these... would they work for getting an LCD computer screen closer to NTSC?

Glenn Chan · March 28th, 2005, 08:17 PM

Hey Boyd I'm wondering that too. Issues to watch out for though:

A- Computer monitors will never exhibit interlace flicker. If you are starting out in DV, I highly highly highly recommend hooking up a TV to your editing setup. A TV will be much more accurate to what people will see for reasons like this. Other things to watch out for are chroma crawl and lower resolution over composite connections, illegal colors, editing programs not showing full resolution or both fields, and overscan.

B- LCDs may not have the same color gamut as TVs. It may be a better idea to use a CRT.

C- Using a calibration device like the Spyder may allow you to correct for the monitor's color innaccuracy and color drift. However, I'm not sure if your video preview will display the corrected image (which would totally defeat the point of using the Spyder). It might be that only Photoshop can do the correction??????

Boyd Ostroff · March 28th, 2005, 08:34 PM

One other thought... you need to clearly define your goal for the video you're editing. Personally, I'm not interested in broadcasting my stuff, and I don't want to give up any bandwidth to make it "broadcast safe." For the most part, I'm editing projects that will be shown on high powered LCD or DLP projectors. From my previous (admittedly limited) experience in this area, an LCD monitor gives a very good idea of what to expect on the projection screen. In fact, it was much more accurate than what I saw on a good Sony production monitor sitting next to the projector up in the booth. In this scenario, you can actually tune the projector to match your LCD screen, so you can sort of have your cake and eat it too :-)

Your mileage may vary of course...

Glenn Chan · March 29th, 2005, 12:44 AM

Boyd, you raise a good point which I didn't consider. I generally assume people are outputting to a television format and not projection or web/internet.

Kevin Janisch · March 29th, 2005, 11:41 AM

I had the same problem previewing some of my shots from my XL2 this past weekend. On my Panasonic DVD player, the shots were outstanding, letterboxed as they should of been. On my Cyberhome (comparing 24p and 30p simultaneously) it was full screen and terrible artifacting. Turns out my Cyberhome was set to 4:3 pan & scan for Widescreen. One flip of the remote and all was great.

March 23rd, 2005, 05:27 PM	#571
Kevin Janisch Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 406	Color Correction Integration with PPro 1.5 and AE 6.5 Pro Does anybody know if PPro Color Correction settings integrate into AE 6.5 Pro and vica versa? Meaning, if I adjust the curves in Premiere Pro 1.5, will this setting stay intact and be modifiable in AE 6.5 Pro? I know in PPro 1.0 and AE 6 Pro this was not the case. Being that AE 6.5 now has monitor preview via firewire this question may be irrelevant. Thanks. Kevin

March 25th, 2005, 12:59 AM	#572
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Premiere preview Was wondering since premiere 6,5 only does dv previews in realtime ,is the same also for premiere pro and pro 1,5? _________________ __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

March 28th, 2005, 11:53 AM	#573
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi Charles, With Premiere 6 you had to choose the real-time preview option. That technology I think is the same with Premiere Pro, except now everything uses the real-time preview. Hope this helps, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

March 28th, 2005, 11:58 AM	#574
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi Mark, when you are using the non-matrox settings, you won't be able to use the Matrox hardware. When you are not using the Matrox hardware you can use your camera as a digital to analogure convertor so you can preview what you are editing on your TV. Hope this helps, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

March 28th, 2005, 12:00 PM	#575
Justin Lang New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mpls, Minnesota Posts: 13	Widescreen? I been making lots of film in 16:9 and they all work when i play then in my DVD player on my TV has 16:9. what i do is I import my xl2 shots into premiere i export then from premiere has avi, then bring it into encore and make it a widescreen dvd ( the menu and everyting widescreen) but my question is when i show the dvd its not widescreen on my freinds dvd player. And the great xl2 isnt so great when its 16:9 streched to full screen. But it you buy a retail dvd at like best buy in widesceen its always right 16:9 so it cant be the tv. Am i missing a step when i make the DVD? I need it to be showen in 16:9 ON ALL dvd players. HOW?

March 28th, 2005, 02:07 PM	#576
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Thanks. I needed that. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

March 28th, 2005, 04:01 PM	#577
Kyle Ringin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 241	Sounds like your friend is using a 4:3 tv with the DVD player set to a 16:9 monitor. Go to the DVD player setup menu and make sure it's set to 4:3 LB (letterbox) if you're using a 4:3 screen. Hope this helps.

March 28th, 2005, 05:16 PM	#578
Justin Lang New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mpls, Minnesota Posts: 13	Thats it thank you very much your the man. But one thing how come if you buy a DVD at the store in widescreen its forsure widescreen on your dvd player and you don't need to change anything. What are they doing to there DVDs that I am not? Anyways thanks for the help this will make my next big movie forsure widesceen!!!

March 28th, 2005, 05:24 PM	#579
Jon Turner Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: England Posts: 69	calibrating monitors/tv how have you guys calibrated your monitors for editing? i know to reduce colour to zero, then adjust brightness, then contrast, then restore the colour, and i have a PAL testcard, but a lot of this seems to be subjective judgement. is there a way of producing a 'standardised' calibration? incidentally, is there is a website that will guide me through calibrating my monitor? ps, i am using a TFT screen. i know, far from ideal, but don't have too many options.

March 28th, 2005, 06:23 PM	#580
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Try http://videouniversity.com/tvbars2.htm Regards, Mark

March 28th, 2005, 07:21 PM	#581
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	I've often wonderered about those monitor calibration probes, like the Spyder which have gotten cheaper in recent years. You can choose the desired gamma, etc. with these... would they work for getting an LCD computer screen closer to NTSC?

March 28th, 2005, 08:17 PM	#582
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Hey Boyd I'm wondering that too. Issues to watch out for though: A- Computer monitors will never exhibit interlace flicker. If you are starting out in DV, I highly highly highly recommend hooking up a TV to your editing setup. A TV will be much more accurate to what people will see for reasons like this. Other things to watch out for are chroma crawl and lower resolution over composite connections, illegal colors, editing programs not showing full resolution or both fields, and overscan. B- LCDs may not have the same color gamut as TVs. It may be a better idea to use a CRT. C- Using a calibration device like the Spyder may allow you to correct for the monitor's color innaccuracy and color drift. However, I'm not sure if your video preview will display the corrected image (which would totally defeat the point of using the Spyder). It might be that only Photoshop can do the correction??????

March 28th, 2005, 08:34 PM	#583
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	One other thought... you need to clearly define your goal for the video you're editing. Personally, I'm not interested in broadcasting my stuff, and I don't want to give up any bandwidth to make it "broadcast safe." For the most part, I'm editing projects that will be shown on high powered LCD or DLP projectors. From my previous (admittedly limited) experience in this area, an LCD monitor gives a very good idea of what to expect on the projection screen. In fact, it was much more accurate than what I saw on a good Sony production monitor sitting next to the projector up in the booth. In this scenario, you can actually tune the projector to match your LCD screen, so you can sort of have your cake and eat it too :-) Your mileage may vary of course...

March 29th, 2005, 12:44 AM	#584
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Boyd, you raise a good point which I didn't consider. I generally assume people are outputting to a television format and not projection or web/internet.

March 29th, 2005, 11:41 AM	#585
Kevin Janisch Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 406	I had the same problem previewing some of my shots from my XL2 this past weekend. On my Panasonic DVD player, the shots were outstanding, letterboxed as they should of been. On my Cyberhome (comparing 24p and 30p simultaneously) it was full screen and terrible artifacting. Turns out my Cyberhome was set to 4:3 pan & scan for Widescreen. One flip of the remote and all was great.