Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Peter Higginbottom · February 17th, 2005, 05:02 PM

Update 3:

I read in another forum that the motion menu thing is sometimes caused by the encoding e.g. Matrox real time to disc so I imported avi as asset & it worked, further testing to be done I think.
I could live without motion menus but would rather not.
Especially now I have got the tutorial to make them in After Effects.

Regards .

Peter

Jay Stevens · February 17th, 2005, 09:23 PM

Just ordered the book Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 Studio Techniques. Has anyone used this to learn their software and does anyone recommend it. On a scale rating of 1 to 5, how helpfull is it?

Jay

Pete Bauer · February 17th, 2005, 09:34 PM

No, although my capture window is 4:3, the 16:9 image of the footage being captured is letterboxed within it properly. Is it automatically capturing to a 24fps timeline? Which pull-down method are you using, 2:3 or 2:3:3:2?

Richard Hardiman · February 18th, 2005, 05:12 AM

Guys,

I have been off all week, so have only just read your replies.

I want to thank you all for you're very helpfull advice - It may well save me a fortune in the long run. I came across this website by accident, and have picked up more info here, than I have pouring through magazines for the last 6 months)

I will contact Matrox today, and am now seriously considering the RTX 100, after your advice.

I see there are two versions :
Matrox RTX 100 Xtreme Pro Suite (£784.99 on dabs.com)
Matrox RTX 100 Xtreme Pro Collection (£971.99 on dabs.com)
Any comments on the difference between these two, or where i may find it cheaper (Im in the Uk.....and Ed - Small world !!).

I think I need to buy me a new system. At the mo, I have a 1.4 AMD, 512 memory, and Win98. I know i need XP to get premiere pro. I havent even got a DVD writer yet, so will need to find me one of those (but i'll save that for another post :-)

Once again, thanks for all your comments,
Richard.

ps - got me an XM2 a few weeks back, and managed to bag my way into the press end of the Bafta Awards Red carpet, in leicester square last weekend, and have got some stunning footage - It has absolutely nothing to do with this post, but I cant help mentioning it whenever I can - Compulsive show-off im afraid !!!

Ed Smith · February 18th, 2005, 06:10 AM

Hi Richard I beleive that the 'collection' edition has After effects where as the 'suite' does not have after effects.

At the video forum they were doing a special deal on the RTX 100 I think it was about £600 or less, whertehr or not the deal is still on I don't know...

You could try plaent PC:

http://www.planetdv.net/

They could also put a whole system together for you....

James Connors · February 18th, 2005, 06:17 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Richard Hardiman : ps - got me an XM2 a few weeks back, and managed to bag my way into the press end of the Bafta Awards Red carpet, in leicester square last weekend -->>>

nice work! how you manage that, good contact or good persuasive skills ? :D

Richard Hardiman · February 18th, 2005, 06:47 AM

James, I think the fact that I had,comparitevely, a large 'propper looking' camera, and the fact that the copper who was supposed to be stopping people going through was getting a roasting from his suppierior for letting a few go through, and we just slipped past.
So, got the likes of Leonardo Dicaprio, Martin Scorsese and Pierce Brosnan less than two feet away from the camera......

Thanks Ed - Will have a look at PlanetDV. Whats the 'video forum' ???

Rob Lohman · February 18th, 2005, 07:22 AM

I haven't heard of it yet. So hopefully you can let us know how it is!

Ed Smith · February 18th, 2005, 09:42 AM

The video forum is an exhibition to do with Video, for Video makers, producers etc. The likes of Avid, Matrox, Pinnacle and a whole load of other industry players exhibit to show off their latest 'creations'. This year it was held at Earls Court at the end of January. Next ones not until Next year...

Cheers,

Dave Eanton · February 18th, 2005, 11:16 AM

Pete, my footage was 16:9 / 24P / 2:3 . My capture screen is in 16:9 when I open the capture window - but my footage preview is squeezed so that the left and right sides of the capture screen are seen with black vertical lines.

WHen I finish capturing, the footage looks OK on the main project screen, but I am concerned that I am loosing resolution during the capture phase if it is squeezed first.

Since I don't have experiance wih 16:9 capture, I just wanted to know if this was the way the capture screen should look or if footage preview should appear in proper 16:9 .

Peter Higginbottom · February 18th, 2005, 02:20 PM

Hi
I can recommend Planet DV, I took my RT2500 into there for upgrade to RT.X100, swapped it there & then.
Already had the software, so just got card & drivers.
Went to them for 2 of their demo evenings.

Regards.

Peter.

BTW got over My motion menu problems by disabling WYSIWYG output to TV from matrox settings

Pete Bauer · February 18th, 2005, 06:42 PM

I just shot a short test widescreen 24pA (2:3:3:2) test clip with my XL2 and captured it. My PPro 1.5 capture window has a fixed 4:3 black foreground. Prior to rolling tape and during the initial seek, the capture window stretches the widescreen image overlay to fill the 4:3 capture window, but as soon as it starts actually capturing, the widescreen image slims down properly within the window, leaving black bars above and below as you'd expect. The video plays properly within the program and exported to a 720p24 WMV file just fine.

I think all that is going on here is that the widescreen flags aren't being read off the tape until the capture begins.

Incidentally, I had a new little problem appear that is mentioned in Adobe's PPro forums: my DV Device Capture Options dialog box had drop-down boxes with missing drop-downs! As stated in the forum, the lists exist but just aren't visible...just type in the setting you want and it'll auto-complete. I just updated my ATi9800 video drivers, so that is most likely where that new little annoyance roosts.

Steven Gotz · February 18th, 2005, 07:49 PM

It really isn't designed to help you learn the software. It is to enhance the knowledge of the basics you already possess. It isn't really for raw beginners.

But it is a cool book. Check for my name in the index! I didn't know about it until the book arrived.

Jared Thomas · February 19th, 2005, 11:29 PM

i dont know if it exists or not, but i was wondering if premier has a picture-in-picture effect in it. i dont have it if it does. i dont know if its a plug-in or what, but i figured yall could help me out with some answers....any responses would be appreciated.

Graham Hickling · February 19th, 2005, 11:37 PM

Assuming you are using Premiere Pro....load two clips, one on top of each other, in the timeline.

Then in the monitor window, use your mouse to drag and resize the top clip to the size to you want it to be for your PiP sequence.

Adjust audio tracks accordingly, then render. No plugin required.

Did that help?

February 17th, 2005, 09:23 PM	#362
Jay Stevens Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 75	Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 Studio Techniques Just ordered the book Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 Studio Techniques. Has anyone used this to learn their software and does anyone recommend it. On a scale rating of 1 to 5, how helpfull is it? Jay

February 17th, 2005, 09:34 PM	#363
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	No, although my capture window is 4:3, the 16:9 image of the footage being captured is letterboxed within it properly. Is it automatically capturing to a 24fps timeline? Which pull-down method are you using, 2:3 or 2:3:3:2? __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

February 18th, 2005, 06:10 AM	#365
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi Richard I beleive that the 'collection' edition has After effects where as the 'suite' does not have after effects. At the video forum they were doing a special deal on the RTX 100 I think it was about £600 or less, whertehr or not the deal is still on I don't know... You could try plaent PC: http://www.planetdv.net/ They could also put a whole system together for you.... __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

February 18th, 2005, 07:22 AM	#368
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I haven't heard of it yet. So hopefully you can let us know how it is! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 18th, 2005, 09:42 AM	#369
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	The video forum is an exhibition to do with Video, for Video makers, producers etc. The likes of Avid, Matrox, Pinnacle and a whole load of other industry players exhibit to show off their latest 'creations'. This year it was held at Earls Court at the end of January. Next ones not until Next year... Cheers, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

February 17th, 2005, 05:02 PM	#361
Peter Higginbottom Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wakefield.West Yorkshire. Posts: 45	Update 3: I read in another forum that the motion menu thing is sometimes caused by the encoding e.g. Matrox real time to disc so I imported avi as asset & it worked, further testing to be done I think. I could live without motion menus but would rather not. Especially now I have got the tutorial to make them in After Effects. Regards . Peter

February 18th, 2005, 05:12 AM	#364
Richard Hardiman New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Andover, Hampshire, UK Posts: 15	Guys, I have been off all week, so have only just read your replies. I want to thank you all for you're very helpfull advice - It may well save me a fortune in the long run. I came across this website by accident, and have picked up more info here, than I have pouring through magazines for the last 6 months) I will contact Matrox today, and am now seriously considering the RTX 100, after your advice. I see there are two versions : Matrox RTX 100 Xtreme Pro Suite (£784.99 on dabs.com) Matrox RTX 100 Xtreme Pro Collection (£971.99 on dabs.com) Any comments on the difference between these two, or where i may find it cheaper (Im in the Uk.....and Ed - Small world !!). I think I need to buy me a new system. At the mo, I have a 1.4 AMD, 512 memory, and Win98. I know i need XP to get premiere pro. I havent even got a DVD writer yet, so will need to find me one of those (but i'll save that for another post :-) Once again, thanks for all your comments, Richard. ps - got me an XM2 a few weeks back, and managed to bag my way into the press end of the Bafta Awards Red carpet, in leicester square last weekend, and have got some stunning footage - It has absolutely nothing to do with this post, but I cant help mentioning it whenever I can - Compulsive show-off im afraid !!!

February 18th, 2005, 06:17 AM	#366
James Connors Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 223	<<<-- Originally posted by Richard Hardiman : ps - got me an XM2 a few weeks back, and managed to bag my way into the press end of the Bafta Awards Red carpet, in leicester square last weekend -->>> nice work! how you manage that, good contact or good persuasive skills ? :D

February 18th, 2005, 06:47 AM	#367
Richard Hardiman New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Andover, Hampshire, UK Posts: 15	James, I think the fact that I had,comparitevely, a large 'propper looking' camera, and the fact that the copper who was supposed to be stopping people going through was getting a roasting from his suppierior for letting a few go through, and we just slipped past. So, got the likes of Leonardo Dicaprio, Martin Scorsese and Pierce Brosnan less than two feet away from the camera...... Thanks Ed - Will have a look at PlanetDV. Whats the 'video forum' ???

February 18th, 2005, 11:16 AM	#370
Dave Eanton Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CANADA Posts: 56	Pete, my footage was 16:9 / 24P / 2:3 . My capture screen is in 16:9 when I open the capture window - but my footage preview is squeezed so that the left and right sides of the capture screen are seen with black vertical lines. WHen I finish capturing, the footage looks OK on the main project screen, but I am concerned that I am loosing resolution during the capture phase if it is squeezed first. Since I don't have experiance wih 16:9 capture, I just wanted to know if this was the way the capture screen should look or if footage preview should appear in proper 16:9 .

February 18th, 2005, 02:20 PM	#371
Peter Higginbottom Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wakefield.West Yorkshire. Posts: 45	Hi I can recommend Planet DV, I took my RT2500 into there for upgrade to RT.X100, swapped it there & then. Already had the software, so just got card & drivers. Went to them for 2 of their demo evenings. Regards. Peter. BTW got over My motion menu problems by disabling WYSIWYG output to TV from matrox settings

February 18th, 2005, 06:42 PM	#372
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	I just shot a short test widescreen 24pA (2:3:3:2) test clip with my XL2 and captured it. My PPro 1.5 capture window has a fixed 4:3 black foreground. Prior to rolling tape and during the initial seek, the capture window stretches the widescreen image overlay to fill the 4:3 capture window, but as soon as it starts actually capturing, the widescreen image slims down properly within the window, leaving black bars above and below as you'd expect. The video plays properly within the program and exported to a 720p24 WMV file just fine. I think all that is going on here is that the widescreen flags aren't being read off the tape until the capture begins. Incidentally, I had a new little problem appear that is mentioned in Adobe's PPro forums: my DV Device Capture Options dialog box had drop-down boxes with missing drop-downs! As stated in the forum, the lists exist but just aren't visible...just type in the setting you want and it'll auto-complete. I just updated my ATi9800 video drivers, so that is most likely where that new little annoyance roosts. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

February 18th, 2005, 07:49 PM	#373
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	It really isn't designed to help you learn the software. It is to enhance the knowledge of the basics you already possess. It isn't really for raw beginners. But it is a cool book. Check for my name in the index! I didn't know about it until the book arrived. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

February 19th, 2005, 11:29 PM	#374
Jared Thomas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: texas Posts: 60	PIP in premeir? i dont know if it exists or not, but i was wondering if premier has a picture-in-picture effect in it. i dont have it if it does. i dont know if its a plug-in or what, but i figured yall could help me out with some answers....any responses would be appreciated. __________________ get me another job.

February 19th, 2005, 11:37 PM	#375
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	Assuming you are using Premiere Pro....load two clips, one on top of each other, in the timeline. Then in the monitor window, use your mouse to drag and resize the top clip to the size to you want it to be for your PiP sequence. Adjust audio tracks accordingly, then render. No plugin required. Did that help?