Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Nathan Taylor · February 15th, 2005, 07:08 AM

I currently have premiere 6 and will soon be buying pro 1.5 and upgrading my pc to amd xp3200

My question is - is it fine to install premiere 6 and then the UPGRADE to 1.5 or am i better to purchase the pro 1.5 FULL version?

Are there any differences between the two and where would you suggest buying it from?

Many thanx

K. Forman · February 15th, 2005, 08:25 AM

The upgrade would likely be the full version, rather than a patch.

As far as having both versions on the same drive, I can't see any reason to do this, except for older filters that might be left out of the newer version. I can't see why you can't, but it might be best with one or the other.

You would be best off using a clean install to avoid conflicts.

Pete Bauer · February 15th, 2005, 09:00 AM

It is always nicer/safer to do a clean install of the latest software, but if the price is significantly less for getting Prem 6.5 + PPro 1.5 upgrade than just getting full 1.5, I'd say go ahead.

I just realized recently that I forgot to uninstall 6.5 on one of my computers when I upgraded to PPro 1.0. Also subsequently upgraded 1.0 to 1.5 with no issues. In the process of trying to help a fellow DVinfo member, I tried the old leftoever 6.5 version I noticed that I had in my start menu, and it worked just fine.

And I gotta say, as clunky as 6.5 felt compared to PPro 1.5, I have NO problem complying with the license agreement to uninstall the old version! But, at least on my system, they did both co-exist just fine.

John Britt · February 15th, 2005, 11:21 AM

I just upgraded from 6.5 to Pro 1.5 and I can verify what Keith said -- the Pro 1.5 Upgrade is a *Full* version. You *do not* have to have a previous version installed to upgrade -- just pop in the Pro 1.5 disc and it will ask you for the valid serial number for your previous version. Enter in your 6.0/6.5 serial number and Pro will install fine. It's always better to do a clean install this way instead of trying to upgrade on top of an existing installation.

Jimmy McKenzie · February 15th, 2005, 11:25 AM

Very true on the clean install. dll files and other shared resources can cause conflicts.
BUT! Some previous projects might have difficulty opening in PPro. So far my machine has been just fine with both versions onboard. I often need to open projects in old premiere due to the third party titles that are not supported in PPro.

James A. Davis · February 15th, 2005, 02:43 PM

But what do I shoot in? 60i or 30p. I know people apply certain settings like deinterlace.

Joshua Provost · February 15th, 2005, 03:46 PM

James,

You should check with the film transfer facility you will be using for the filmout. They will have specs they want you to use. They may even have camera settings to use while shooting.

If you are unsure, then the rule of thumb is shoot 60i at 1/60 shutter speed. Most of the software packages (Magic Bullet, DVFilm Maker) recommend these settings for 60i to 24p conversion. Shoot, convert to 24p, edit in a 24p timeline, and have a 24p file ready. You may have to convert this back to 60i using 2:3 pulldown for transport on tape.

Films put on DVD are encoded as 24p on the DVD, and played back in NTSC at 60i with 2:3 pulldown.

Josh

John Britt · February 15th, 2005, 04:36 PM

I'm confused. If you aren't shooting with a progressive camera, then you can only shoot in 60i. 30p isn't an option for you (at least when shooting).

There is a whole section here at dvinfo devoted to this subject, called, easily enough, Towards a Film Look Using DV. That should give you hours of informative reading.

For Premiere-specific questions, there is a section here called Attend the World Premiere that may have some info for you archived in it.

EDIT: by the way, your profile says you use a DVX100 as well. What happened to that one?

James A. Davis · February 15th, 2005, 06:12 PM

We're up in the air about using it. We want to have that choppy grainy look to the film. We shot another project on the DVX-100 and came out great. I saw the film Bamboozled (shot on the VX-1000) and loved the way it looked. 30p looks to close to24p to me on the DVX-100. Sony keeps the interlaced which works for some and not for others.

Nathan Taylor · February 15th, 2005, 06:36 PM

Thanx for the replies guys :)

I dont plan to have both 6 and pro running at the same time.
I just was going to install 6 first as i already own it and then "upgrade" it to pro 1.5.

From what ive read here it appears that after i install xp on my new system i just install the upgrade of 1.5 without having to insert my 6 disc? just using the origional 6 code as verification?

If so that is what i will do as its cosiderably cheaper :)

Where would you suggest purchasing it from?
B and H have the 1.5 upgrade for $199 (us dollars)

Thanks again, Nathan

Pete Bauer · February 15th, 2005, 06:54 PM

I think $199 is the going rate for the 6.5 to PPro 1.5 upgrade. You can even download directly from the Adobe web site for that price if you want. I don't recall whether you have to insert the old disc, or can just type in the old version serial number...used to be that the Adobe products searched the hard disk, or if necessary, the old version disc. But can't remember if they changed to just having the serial number or not. Whichever way it is, it'll be simple.

BTW, PPro does use Product Activation. The single-user license allows you to have an installed copy on up to two computers: your main computer and one laptop OR work computer.

Joshua Provost · February 16th, 2005, 11:07 AM

30p is not appropriate for film out.

Andrew Oh · February 17th, 2005, 01:32 AM

Hey Billy,

Sorry about the late reply. It's when I apply the PROC AMP. It's really strange.

Steven Gotz · February 17th, 2005, 10:27 AM

Heck, for $25 you can sign up for a month at http://www.lynda.com and take my Premiere Pro 1.5 tutorials and still have time to take the After Effects and Photoshop tutorials.

And it is current, not an old version like the one you mentioned.

Dave Eanton · February 17th, 2005, 02:49 PM

When I capture my 16:9 24P footage on Premiere, the footage looks squeezed in the CAPTURE window, but looks wide again when I play the footage back after capturing. For anyone that is capturing XL2 16:9 on PPro 1.5 - is this the way it should look when capturing or should the capture window display the footage in wide?

February 15th, 2005, 07:08 AM	#346
Nathan Taylor New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 19	premiere 6 to pro 1.5 upgrade I currently have premiere 6 and will soon be buying pro 1.5 and upgrading my pc to amd xp3200 My question is - is it fine to install premiere 6 and then the UPGRADE to 1.5 or am i better to purchase the pro 1.5 FULL version? Are there any differences between the two and where would you suggest buying it from? Many thanx

February 15th, 2005, 08:25 AM	#347
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	The upgrade would likely be the full version, rather than a patch. As far as having both versions on the same drive, I can't see any reason to do this, except for older filters that might be left out of the newer version. I can't see why you can't, but it might be best with one or the other. You would be best off using a clean install to avoid conflicts. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

February 15th, 2005, 09:00 AM	#348
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	It is always nicer/safer to do a clean install of the latest software, but if the price is significantly less for getting Prem 6.5 + PPro 1.5 upgrade than just getting full 1.5, I'd say go ahead. I just realized recently that I forgot to uninstall 6.5 on one of my computers when I upgraded to PPro 1.0. Also subsequently upgraded 1.0 to 1.5 with no issues. In the process of trying to help a fellow DVinfo member, I tried the old leftoever 6.5 version I noticed that I had in my start menu, and it worked just fine. And I gotta say, as clunky as 6.5 felt compared to PPro 1.5, I have NO problem complying with the license agreement to uninstall the old version! But, at least on my system, they did both co-exist just fine. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

February 15th, 2005, 06:54 PM	#356
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	I think $199 is the going rate for the 6.5 to PPro 1.5 upgrade. You can even download directly from the Adobe web site for that price if you want. I don't recall whether you have to insert the old disc, or can just type in the old version serial number...used to be that the Adobe products searched the hard disk, or if necessary, the old version disc. But can't remember if they changed to just having the serial number or not. Whichever way it is, it'll be simple. BTW, PPro does use Product Activation. The single-user license allows you to have an installed copy on up to two computers: your main computer and one laptop OR work computer. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

February 17th, 2005, 10:27 AM	#359
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Heck, for $25 you can sign up for a month at http://www.lynda.com and take my Premiere Pro 1.5 tutorials and still have time to take the After Effects and Photoshop tutorials. And it is current, not an old version like the one you mentioned. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

February 15th, 2005, 11:21 AM	#349
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	I just upgraded from 6.5 to Pro 1.5 and I can verify what Keith said -- the Pro 1.5 Upgrade is a Full version. You do not have to have a previous version installed to upgrade -- just pop in the Pro 1.5 disc and it will ask you for the valid serial number for your previous version. Enter in your 6.0/6.5 serial number and Pro will install fine. It's always better to do a clean install this way instead of trying to upgrade on top of an existing installation.

February 15th, 2005, 11:25 AM	#350
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	Very true on the clean install. dll files and other shared resources can cause conflicts. BUT! Some previous projects might have difficulty opening in PPro. So far my machine has been just fine with both versions onboard. I often need to open projects in old premiere due to the third party titles that are not supported in PPro.

February 15th, 2005, 02:43 PM	#351
James A. Davis Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 90	But what do I shoot in? 60i or 30p. I know people apply certain settings like deinterlace.

February 15th, 2005, 03:46 PM	#352
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	James, You should check with the film transfer facility you will be using for the filmout. They will have specs they want you to use. They may even have camera settings to use while shooting. If you are unsure, then the rule of thumb is shoot 60i at 1/60 shutter speed. Most of the software packages (Magic Bullet, DVFilm Maker) recommend these settings for 60i to 24p conversion. Shoot, convert to 24p, edit in a 24p timeline, and have a 24p file ready. You may have to convert this back to 60i using 2:3 pulldown for transport on tape. Films put on DVD are encoded as 24p on the DVD, and played back in NTSC at 60i with 2:3 pulldown. Josh

February 15th, 2005, 04:36 PM	#353
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	I'm confused. If you aren't shooting with a progressive camera, then you can only shoot in 60i. 30p isn't an option for you (at least when shooting). There is a whole section here at dvinfo devoted to this subject, called, easily enough, Towards a Film Look Using DV. That should give you hours of informative reading. For Premiere-specific questions, there is a section here called Attend the World Premiere that may have some info for you archived in it. EDIT: by the way, your profile says you use a DVX100 as well. What happened to that one?

February 15th, 2005, 06:12 PM	#354
James A. Davis Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 90	We're up in the air about using it. We want to have that choppy grainy look to the film. We shot another project on the DVX-100 and came out great. I saw the film Bamboozled (shot on the VX-1000) and loved the way it looked. 30p looks to close to24p to me on the DVX-100. Sony keeps the interlaced which works for some and not for others.

February 15th, 2005, 06:36 PM	#355
Nathan Taylor New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 19	Thanx for the replies guys :) I dont plan to have both 6 and pro running at the same time. I just was going to install 6 first as i already own it and then "upgrade" it to pro 1.5. From what ive read here it appears that after i install xp on my new system i just install the upgrade of 1.5 without having to insert my 6 disc? just using the origional 6 code as verification? If so that is what i will do as its cosiderably cheaper :) Where would you suggest purchasing it from? B and H have the 1.5 upgrade for $199 (us dollars) Thanks again, Nathan

February 16th, 2005, 11:07 AM	#357
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	30p is not appropriate for film out.

February 17th, 2005, 01:32 AM	#358
Andrew Oh Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 86	Hey Billy, Sorry about the late reply. It's when I apply the PROC AMP. It's really strange.

February 17th, 2005, 02:49 PM	#360
Dave Eanton Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CANADA Posts: 56	XL2 and Premiere Capture... When I capture my 16:9 24P footage on Premiere, the footage looks squeezed in the CAPTURE window, but looks wide again when I play the footage back after capturing. For anyone that is capturing XL2 16:9 on PPro 1.5 - is this the way it should look when capturing or should the capture window display the footage in wide?