Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Greg Jacobson · February 8th, 2005, 07:22 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Have you enabled the "remove/reduce interlace flicker" option? -->>>

The only program I have seen that option is DV Film. Where is it in Premeire Pro?

Besides, I doubt that is the problem. When I play it in Quicktime it looks normal. It only happens when I play it in WM Player.

Rob Lohman · February 8th, 2005, 07:25 AM

I don't know where it is, since I'm not using Premiere anymore. I'm
certain it is there though.

You should've added this extra information to your original post!

Anyways, it sounds like you need to check the settings in the
windows encoder/template. Are you by any chance rendering out
as interlaced or at a different framerate?

Cliff Hepburn · February 8th, 2005, 08:37 AM

I figured how many frames off I was (21) and imported the new AVI in a new project. I inserted 21 frames of black at the beginning and exported the file as a DV-AVI. Using this file in the original project, the problem was solved.

Lesson learned, always use an inpoint when capturing.

Now I have questions about the DV-AVI format.
I find that if I exported it as an uncompressed AVI the file gets huge and quickly used up valuable HD space. So I exported it as DV-AVI, it rendered much quicker and created a file size very similar to the original. Now I'm wondering if was recompressed at the cost of image quality.

Billy Dalrymple · February 8th, 2005, 09:44 AM

Remove Flicker is under the clip menu bar option. Select the clip, then select the Clip menu item, then I think its field options or something like that... flicker removal should be under there.

Working off of memory since I dont have premeire available at the moment.

Pete Bauer · February 8th, 2005, 03:32 PM

Hi Greg,

It may actually be a WMP problem with handling widescreen 24fps, rather than PPro's...although the jury is still out. I'm wondering if PPro might flag the widescreen files in a peculiar way that WMP doesn't like, but that is entirely speculation/wondering. Here's a thread where several of us scratched our head about this:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37100

Anyone who's learned anything further on this 24p stuff is MOST welcome to chime in!

BTW, hearty welcome to DVinfo...I see that you've been quite active during your first week as a member!

Rob Lohman · February 9th, 2005, 04:50 AM

Yes, DV uses a lossy compression algorithm (5:1 ratio) which throws
away information that you (hopefully) cannot see (depending on
scene complexity as well).

Terry Lyons · February 9th, 2005, 01:12 PM

Hi all, I was able to export to dvd the first three times probably with the dolby encoder and now it wont export even without the dolby. It always stops about 3/4 of the way through with an encoding problem or a write failure. This is without the dolby, just stereo. What do you think? Thanks TAG

Pete Bauer · February 9th, 2005, 01:27 PM

Hi Terry,

If you're using XP SP2 and getting a "failed to return video frame" message when using the Adobe Media Encoder to render or transcode, there is a simple workaround:

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/330380.html

Solution #1 worked for me. If that isn't it, could you please describe what happens in a little more detail?

Cheers,

Thomas Fraser · February 9th, 2005, 10:14 PM

When I burn a AVI to a DVD from the Premiere Pro timeline it does not look as good when played on my TV, via DVD player.
On my computer monitor play back from AVI , the video image looks great . Does encoding to DVD really cause that much loss of quality in the finished DVD.
I am using a Canon GL2 camera.
Any information would be helpful
Thank you

Rob Lohman · February 10th, 2005, 05:25 AM

Please take a look and the time to thoroughly read through the
following thread (and the threads it links to):

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=36443

In a nutshell:

1) it depends on your settings (VBR is better than CBR, higher bitrates are better)

2) it depends on the quality of your encoder (although the Cinemacraft encoder that PPro uses is decent to good, it isn't excellent)

Read that thread etc. for more information!

Josh Allen · February 11th, 2005, 09:52 AM

Thanks Joshua, I will try that next time.

I was finally able to fix the problem by exporting directy to mpg using the adobe media encoder.

Richard Hardiman · February 11th, 2005, 10:12 AM

Hello all.

Was just wondering if anyone knew what version of adobe premier is bundled with the Matrox RTX.10 / RTX.100 ?

These seem to be very good deals (An editing card, adobe premier, encore, & audigy), for about £ 500, and was wondering if there is any catch ??

Also, are these Matrox cards graphics cards, or are they dedicated editing cards (or is this one in the same). Reason I ask is that I already have a good graphics card, and was wondering whether getting a Matrox card was really necessary, or ahould I just stick to purchasing the 3 adobe products seperately.

Many Thanks,
Richard.

Ed Smith · February 11th, 2005, 01:26 PM

Hi Richard,

You only live 20mins away from me... Welcome to DVI!

It should be the full and latest version of Premiere Pro, which is Version 1.5. However your best bet is give Matrox a ring or e-mail.

If it was me I would go for the RTX 100, you get so much more real-time capability than the RTX 10. These cards are dedicated editing cards, you still need a graphics card for it to work.

Personally I would buy the RTX 100 as it costs pretty much the same price of buying Premiere software only. Even if you decide not to use The RTX 100 card you still should be able to use Premiere in software only. If you do decide to use the RTX 100 make sure that you system meets the recommended system spec from Matrox's web site.

Hope this helps,

Ed

Carl Walters · February 11th, 2005, 02:32 PM

As Ed says make sure your system meets the required spec, I will go one further and say make sure you build a new system up using just the recommended hardware that Matrox suggest on their site.
I have been using the RTX 100 with pprem 1.5 and encore 1.0 and it is really good but you have to ensure you download the updated patches from Matrox' site.
It takes some setting up initially and everynow and then will crash, but hey, thats windows! For best results only use the system for editing video. Have a look on the MaTROX user site, they have a forum where a lot of your questions will be answered.

James A. Davis · February 11th, 2005, 11:08 PM

I'm editing on Adobe Premiere 6. When I crop or mess with any aspect of my 60 interlaced footage I capture it automatically converts it to 30 fps without me asking. Is there anything I can do to prevent this. It stays 60i when I just edit it. What am I doing wrong. I have a project due soon and I need assistance because I have to the footage to fit 16x9.

February 8th, 2005, 07:25 AM	#302
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I don't know where it is, since I'm not using Premiere anymore. I'm certain it is there though. You should've added this extra information to your original post! Anyways, it sounds like you need to check the settings in the windows encoder/template. Are you by any chance rendering out as interlaced or at a different framerate? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 8th, 2005, 09:44 AM	#304
Billy Dalrymple Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 50	Remove Flicker is under the clip menu bar option. Select the clip, then select the Clip menu item, then I think its field options or something like that... flicker removal should be under there. Working off of memory since I dont have premeire available at the moment. __________________ -Billy

February 8th, 2005, 03:32 PM	#305
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Hi Greg, It may actually be a WMP problem with handling widescreen 24fps, rather than PPro's...although the jury is still out. I'm wondering if PPro might flag the widescreen files in a peculiar way that WMP doesn't like, but that is entirely speculation/wondering. Here's a thread where several of us scratched our head about this: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37100 Anyone who's learned anything further on this 24p stuff is MOST welcome to chime in! BTW, hearty welcome to DVinfo...I see that you've been quite active during your first week as a member! __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

February 9th, 2005, 04:50 AM	#306
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Yes, DV uses a lossy compression algorithm (5:1 ratio) which throws away information that you (hopefully) cannot see (depending on scene complexity as well). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 9th, 2005, 01:12 PM	#307
Terry Lyons Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alta Sierra Posts: 182	export to dvd worked 3 times Hi all, I was able to export to dvd the first three times probably with the dolby encoder and now it wont export even without the dolby. It always stops about 3/4 of the way through with an encoding problem or a write failure. This is without the dolby, just stereo. What do you think? Thanks TAG __________________ TAG

February 8th, 2005, 07:22 AM	#301
Greg Jacobson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York Posts: 141	<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Have you enabled the "remove/reduce interlace flicker" option? -->>> The only program I have seen that option is DV Film. Where is it in Premeire Pro? Besides, I doubt that is the problem. When I play it in Quicktime it looks normal. It only happens when I play it in WM Player.

February 8th, 2005, 08:37 AM	#303
Cliff Hepburn Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 75	I figured how many frames off I was (21) and imported the new AVI in a new project. I inserted 21 frames of black at the beginning and exported the file as a DV-AVI. Using this file in the original project, the problem was solved. Lesson learned, always use an inpoint when capturing. Now I have questions about the DV-AVI format. I find that if I exported it as an uncompressed AVI the file gets huge and quickly used up valuable HD space. So I exported it as DV-AVI, it rendered much quicker and created a file size very similar to the original. Now I'm wondering if was recompressed at the cost of image quality.

February 9th, 2005, 01:27 PM	#308
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Hi Terry, If you're using XP SP2 and getting a "failed to return video frame" message when using the Adobe Media Encoder to render or transcode, there is a simple workaround: http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/330380.html Solution #1 worked for me. If that isn't it, could you please describe what happens in a little more detail? Cheers, __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

February 9th, 2005, 10:14 PM	#309
Thomas Fraser Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 70	PPro AVI to DVD Question When I burn a AVI to a DVD from the Premiere Pro timeline it does not look as good when played on my TV, via DVD player. On my computer monitor play back from AVI , the video image looks great . Does encoding to DVD really cause that much loss of quality in the finished DVD. I am using a Canon GL2 camera. Any information would be helpful Thank you __________________ Thanks for your help everyone.

February 10th, 2005, 05:25 AM	#310
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Please take a look and the time to thoroughly read through the following thread (and the threads it links to): http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=36443 In a nutshell: 1) it depends on your settings (VBR is better than CBR, higher bitrates are better) 2) it depends on the quality of your encoder (although the Cinemacraft encoder that PPro uses is decent to good, it isn't excellent) Read that thread etc. for more information! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 11th, 2005, 09:52 AM	#311
Josh Allen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wildomar, CA Posts: 89	Thanks Joshua, I will try that next time. I was finally able to fix the problem by exporting directy to mpg using the adobe media encoder.

February 11th, 2005, 10:12 AM	#312
Richard Hardiman New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Andover, Hampshire, UK Posts: 15	Premier Pro and Matrox RTX.10 Hello all. Was just wondering if anyone knew what version of adobe premier is bundled with the Matrox RTX.10 / RTX.100 ? These seem to be very good deals (An editing card, adobe premier, encore, & audigy), for about £ 500, and was wondering if there is any catch ?? Also, are these Matrox cards graphics cards, or are they dedicated editing cards (or is this one in the same). Reason I ask is that I already have a good graphics card, and was wondering whether getting a Matrox card was really necessary, or ahould I just stick to purchasing the 3 adobe products seperately. Many Thanks, Richard.

February 11th, 2005, 01:26 PM	#313
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi Richard, You only live 20mins away from me... Welcome to DVI! It should be the full and latest version of Premiere Pro, which is Version 1.5. However your best bet is give Matrox a ring or e-mail. If it was me I would go for the RTX 100, you get so much more real-time capability than the RTX 10. These cards are dedicated editing cards, you still need a graphics card for it to work. Personally I would buy the RTX 100 as it costs pretty much the same price of buying Premiere software only. Even if you decide not to use The RTX 100 card you still should be able to use Premiere in software only. If you do decide to use the RTX 100 make sure that you system meets the recommended system spec from Matrox's web site. Hope this helps, Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

February 11th, 2005, 02:32 PM	#314
Carl Walters Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: East Midlands Posts: 137	As Ed says make sure your system meets the required spec, I will go one further and say make sure you build a new system up using just the recommended hardware that Matrox suggest on their site. I have been using the RTX 100 with pprem 1.5 and encore 1.0 and it is really good but you have to ensure you download the updated patches from Matrox' site. It takes some setting up initially and everynow and then will crash, but hey, thats windows! For best results only use the system for editing video. Have a look on the MaTROX user site, they have a forum where a lot of your questions will be answered.

February 11th, 2005, 11:08 PM	#315
James A. Davis Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 90	Someone I need help PLEASE. URGENT!!! I'm editing on Adobe Premiere 6. When I crop or mess with any aspect of my 60 interlaced footage I capture it automatically converts it to 30 fps without me asking. Is there anything I can do to prevent this. It stays 60i when I just edit it. What am I doing wrong. I have a project due soon and I need assistance because I have to the footage to fit 16x9.